PieFed.World is now open
cross-posted from: piefed.world/post/237378
Hello World!We've recently added PieFed.World to the Fedihosting Foundation portfolio.
PieFed.World is still in its early stages, and we still need to port some of our automations we already have in place on Lemmy.World. This includes functionality to inform people about moderation actions taken against them, as well as some other moderation tooling. Administration is currently done by the same team responsible for Lemmy.World, and the same rules that apply to Lemmy.World also apply to PieFed.World.
What is PieFed?
PieFed is a Fediverse/Threadiverse platform similar to Lemmy or Mbin/kbin. You can find a description and feature comparison with Lemmy on their website.While PieFed has a range of features currently not present in Lemmy, it also is a a lot younger and isn't quite as robust as Lemmy currently is. There are still many bugs and missing features that you will likely run across compared to Lemmy, which will take time to be addressed. PieFed has fairly active development and is seeing a lot of issues addressed fairly quickly, which is especially important recently, as the number of active PieFed instances and PieFed users increased significantly with a range of Lemmy instances opening up PieFed instances as well. PieFed currently does not have proper "stable" releases and no test suite, so it's not unlikely for things to break from time to time. Although 1.0.0 has already been released a while back, there are still too many issues addressed in more recent commits to stay on that version.
As PieFed is part of the same federated network as Lemmy and Mbin, all PieFed communities can be accessed from Lemmy and Mbin, as well as other Fediverse platforms. Likewise, PieFed can access communities from Lemmy, Mbin and other Fediverse platforms. Whether you use a PieFed instance, a Lemmy instance, or an Mbin instance, it does not matter what type of instance the community is on. The software affects your own user experience, but the content is available regardless.
Creation of communities
Creation of communities will be limited to admins for the first week of the public launch. We will reserve this time to allow community moderators of established communities to claim the name on PieFed.World before we open community creation to the public. We will limit this to communities with the same name and at least 2k monthly active users. In case of multiple qualifying communities with the same name on different instances expressing interest, Lemmy.World communities will be given preference, afterwards the number of monthly active users. Please reach out if you'd like to discuss an exception. Requests can be posted in !support@piefed.world. After the first week, community creation will be available to anyone.
Migration of communities
PieFed has a feature to migrate communities to a local instance. We will not be offering PieFed's community migration feature initially.We still need to research the details of how this works and the impacts this has on federation before we will make a decision on whether will support this in the future. If requested, we may reserve some names for potential future community migrations until we have made a decision to allow community migrations.
This does not prevent you from moving communities in the classic way, by opening up a new community and posting in the old community that people should move over.
Private voting
We had previously disabled private voting for PieFed.World before opening the instance to the public, as the original implementation has a range of drawbacks when it comes to federation, and our team overwhelmingly believed that the individual benefits of private voting did not outweigh the impact this has on the Fediverse beyond the user's instance. Additionally, due to the implementation of that feature, it was also trivial to identify the original voter, which significantly limited the promises of this bringing actual voting privacy.Since then, the implementation of private voting has been changed to provide the option of federating or not federating votes. While this is more likely to result in vote differences across instances, it does not feed bad information to other instances, which could make it a lot harder for other instances to identify manipulation.
Non-federated voting is available for all PieFed.World users.
Topics
Topics are a kind of "starter packs" or collections grouping multiple communities that people can follow, curated by the admin team. We don't have a clear vision for the structure of these yet.You can see an example structure on piefed.social.
Feel free to let us know your thoughts on this.
Feeds
PieFed supports feeds, which are user-created groups of communities, similar to topics. These are currently in a global namespace and all users can create public feeds in the same shared namespace.
Reputation and vote weight
PieFed has options for admins to treat certain types of content differently for "reputation" calculation, as well as options for weighing votes of specific instances differently compared to others. We currently have all options for treating certain content, communities or instances differently disabled.
How does PieFed compare to Lemmy?
PieFed has various features not present in Lemmy, check out their website!There is also various functionality that Lemmy has, which you may be missing currently with PieFed for now:
Limited API support
In Lemmy, the default web interface relies entirely on the Lemmy API. This has the major benefit of all functionality available in the default web interface also being available to all third party clients. PieFed currently uses separate code paths and implementations for the default web interface and its API. To make it possible to access functionality in third party apps, dedicated API endpoints have to be created, even if this functionality is already available in the default web interface. This also includes alternative web-based UIs.Multiple developers of alternative UIs and mobile clients are already working on PieFed support, some already released experimental versions.
Limited availability of Markdown previews
Markdown previews are currently only available in posts. There are many other places that accept markdown, but you can't preview the rendered comment before submitting it. This is tracked in #532.
Image uploads only on post creation
Images can't be uploaded to comments currently. You'll have to host them externally for now. This is tracked in #768.
Autocompletion of users/communities
Usernames and communities can't be autocompleted when typing their names currently. This is tracked in #799.
Limited availability of modlog
Modlog is currently very limited. While there is an instance modlog, there are currently no filters available, so it's not possible for users to see actions taken against a specific user or within a specific community. Community modlog exists, but it is currently only available to community moderators and admins. Filtering modlog is tracked in #846.
Moderator hierarchy
Lemmy has a moderator hierarchy based on the time a moderator was appointed, relative to other moderators in the community. This allows moderators to add other moderators, but they can only remove moderators that were added later than they were. There are a few other actions that check moderator hierarchy as well, including deletion only being possible by the top mod. In PieFed, communities have one or more owners, who can add and remove moderators, while all other moderators are currently on equal level. Community owners currently cannot be changed without editing this directly in the database, if you'd like to change owners in your community please reach out in !support@piefed.world.
Donations
Similar to Lemmy, PieFed development is supported by donations. You can donate to PieFed development through Patreon.Additionally, we would appreciate donations towards the Fedihosting Foundation, the non-profit organization operating PieFed.World, Lemmy.World, and a range of other Fediverse platforms.
Problems and questions
Please report any issues and questions about PieFed.World in !support@piefed.world.For topics about the software PieFed, please visit !piefed_meta@piefed.social.
Bugs can be reported on Codeberg.
TLDR: New platform with similar functionality available, Lemmy.World will continue to exist.
edit: reordered sections and minor wording changes
edit 2: updated community owner information
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in reply to MrKaplan • • •Ugh...this one still frustrates me a lot. If I could wave a magic wand and have a different contributor do two things for the project, animated gifs would be one and a more consistent compact layout would be the other.
Edit: Just want to add that when I was working on the gif problem, I got it working for posts...but you have to click through into the lightbox or to the complete image url...the thumbnail isn't animated. So, I got partway there, but ran into technical limitations of the specific python library being used. Relevant issue.
Add support of gif image
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in reply to Cris • • •these issues might explain
lemmy#2224
mastodon#18069
Federating with Lemmy - Don't boost comments
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in reply to Sackeshi • • •no, accounts are completely separate.
piefed does have some social auth support, which is currently also being worked on, but lemmy is not an auth provider that can be used with that. once social auth in piefed becomes more stable we will consider enabling it for supported providers.
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in reply to buddascrayon • • •Some users don’t want to support a project that’s being developed by people they don’t like.
It’s kind of how some people left Reddit because of Spez, even though the amount of money Lemmy devs make doesn’t remotely compare, and the risk of enshittification/powertripping is minimal due to the whole project being open source.
I personally don’t see it as a huge issue, but I can see why it would be for someone (and I’d definitely see it differently if I was actively supporting the platform through donations).
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in reply to buddascrayon • • •I am Ukrainian. I hope the lemmy devs and all tankies get to experience russian genocidal imperialism firsthand.
Do you see why this is "literally" an issue?
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in reply to buddascrayon • • •You most definitely can.
But that doesn't change the fact Lemmy's devs are a bunch of degenerate tankies.
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in reply to buddascrayon • • •Definitely. I've been on the Threadiverse for a while now.
The problem is that ML is such a prominent instance and the lead devs are degenerate tankies.
And I don't use the word degenerate lightly or as a generic insult.
Claiming (without irony) that North Korea is good place to live and their political system has been discredited by a vast capitalist conspiracy led by the BIA is a sign of true degeneracy. It doesn't even matter if they are engaging in demagoguery or not.
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in reply to buddascrayon • • •I have no issues with LW (and most other instance). I mod/curate multiple communities on LW.
I definitely do not intend to "run down" LW (if I am understanding the meaning of "run down" correctly).
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in reply to MrKaplan • • •Decoupling identity from the instance is really important. It's unfortunate that that's not yet possible...
My identity = who I am. The instances are just services that I use. I should be able to use the same identity while accessing different services.
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in reply to MrKaplan • • •MrKaplan
in reply to Convict45 • • •did you see an orange/white cloudflare error page or something else? i tried searching for it in our server logs but i don't find it.
you may however have hit an outage we had for several minutes around an hour before your comment due to running out of memory on the host.
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in reply to MrKaplan • • •ilinamorato
in reply to lwadmin • • •What I really want out of a federated Reddit-like service is link consolidation. I don't want to see the same link posted on five different communities; I want those to be consolidated into one topic, with the OP text and comments from each threaded below it. It'd clean up the interface and make it work a lot more usefully.
In fact, this would make pretty much everything in the Fediverse better. Let me sort my timeline by URL or hashtag, so that I can see what is being said about a certain thing and not make the same observation or joke that a dozen others already have. Put that functionality into an RSS reader, so that I can see the discussion without leaving the article. Or, even better, merge the two into a single feed, tying threads together based on the URL that's being shared.
Now that would be an "everything app" worth using.
EDIT: Apparently they've already made the first leap there! Everyone's talking about topics and feeds, I didn't know they'd made that advancement. Looking forward to trying it out.
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in reply to ilinamorato • • •Piefed solves that issue: piefed.zip/post/100161
All comments from 5 crossposts in a single view
A few other options
- piefed.social/ - flagship instance
- piefed.zip/ - lemmy.zip team
- piefed.ca/ - lemmy.ca team
- feddit.online/
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in reply to Eheran • • •I just checked, it works on my side.
Does this one work? piefed.world/post/253374#post_…
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in reply to ilinamorato • • •Reddit could have done this too, but never did. At least to my knowledge.
There must be a reason.
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in reply to ilinamorato • • •Reddit sorta half did it with the "other discussions" or duplicate tab.
As an example,
old.reddit.com/r/news/duplicat…
I never saw any apps implement it, but it does look like it was part of the API, but maybe it wasn't robust enough.
I also know at one point, and possibly still, is that it lacked URL normalization. So for example, exanple.com/headline and example.com/headline#topstory would be treated as two different articles.
Similarly and youtu.be/dQw4w9WgXcQ
Would be treated as separate articles.
These are all fixable problems, but require work.
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ilinamorato
in reply to MimicJar • • •Oh, interesting. I honestly just glazed over that every time, but you're right that that's a step in the right direction. What I'd really like is for the instance to go the next step further and merge the conversations visually.
So in my mind, at the top of any individual post you'd see the thumbnail and the link title; and then underneath that, as a special-looking top-level comment, it would show the post title and OP text for each incarnation of the post across various instances and communities. The replies to those individual posts are then all rolled up under their top-level comment.
You could roll Mastodon (and other Fediverse) posts in there, too; they would just appear as their own top-level comment, just like replying to Lemmy posts on Mastodon works currently.
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in reply to ayyy • • •Except even that never happened and it was just overcautious mods dealing with vague ToS. I’m pretty sure the only thing the admins did in that whole issue was make the ToS more clear.
I’d like to see what do you mean about it happening “over and over”.
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in reply to lwadmin • • •Question: is PieFed the new kid on the block? Or has it been around for just as long as Lemmy or even longer?
I just love to see these platforms competing whilst working together, in the sense of adding to eachother, making the entire thing bigger and bigger. I've known for a long time that this is possible, but to see it happen is beautiful. Surely this allows for way more innovation and customization than closed source apps could ever realize. It makes me confident that the Fediverse will flourish, more than it already is.
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in reply to lwadmin • • •Is there any plans for yunohost integration?
I'd love to self host piefed just so I can munge my peertube and threadiverse feeds.
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wjs018
in reply to manicdave • • •Relevant issue: codeberg.org/rimu/pyfedi/issue…
I have never used yunohost before, but ldap was just recently integrated into piefed (that's what chat.piefed.social uses for instance). So the main blocker from that issue seems resolved.
Package PieFed as a Yunohost 'app'
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Unknown parent • • •lemmy currently doesn't have granular federation controls. the only option right now is to defederate from mbin instances, but other instances might still announce your users' votes to mbin instances. the more hacky way would be to also block federation related http requests from mbin instances to prevent them from retrieving user profiles, which is probably the most effective method that could be used.
piefeds non-federated votes are a user setting for the default value and users have the option for each vote whether it should be federated. see also piefed.social/post/982478
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in reply to lwadmin • • •Congratulations Ruud & Rest - everyone at the foundation really, it's just fun to say Ruud & Rest! I'm excited to see how this will develop. PieFed does have a lot of features already, that I do miss for Lemmy, and the communication from the main dev has been great so far. (An opportunity to post links to his PeerTube channel, as well as his Liberapay profile).
A great addition to the "Threadiverse" in particular, and the larger Fediverse!
PieFed's profile - Liberapay
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Rooki
in reply to AbnormalHumanBeing • • •I had sadly the opposite experience as a developer. He bends the rules, the code of conduct to his will so that he stays in the "right".
He disregards any improvements to the codes style ( formatting, styling, linting ) and when you point that out you just get the lemmy devs treatment. I mentioned, the code is a mess. He went on rampage declining any attempts to "untangle" or format the code. And he simply said "Go away and dont come back".
One example:
codeberg.org/rimu/pyfedi/commi…
Making sure you're not a bot!
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in reply to Rooki • • •Ah, I am sad to hear that. And sorry that has been your experience.
As only an amateur coder, I can't weigh in how serious the issue is, but I'm gonna take your word for it, without any other person involved adding input. I hope it'll end up in a state, where the project can still sustain its growth in both features and users.
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Jerry on PieFed
in reply to Rooki • • •This is all sour grapes.
I've read your interaction with him, and, frankly, if I were moderating a community where you incessantly carried on over insignificant details, continuing to question things after you got your answer (sea lioning), insisting on focusing on nothing, and never ever stopping, I'd block you too, and I've only blocked 2 people in my entire life as a mod.
Now you're in here trying to malign him, for revenge, for shutting you down so he could get work done and he can focus on important work instead of debating you over never-ending trivial topics.
He is the opposite of the image you are trying to give him.
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in reply to Rooki • • •Rooki
in reply to Jerry on PieFed • • •Ahh yes, that is another risk factor of him. He never tests it. I guess he always goes for guts instincts. ( As there is no CI tests or any type hints ).
And again we speak of FORMATTING pr's those risky formatting pr's i guess he tested that? and somehow found that it didnt worked?
Just to be clear, i fixed a lot of bugs already too. E.g. Mastodon login never even worked ONCE, i implemented that to the end.
With his merge first fix later attitude, for little bit more established servers its killing argument: Oh yeah feature X broke because no one tested it before.
My PRs were in good faith. I was ok with constructive feedback ( e.g. change this, change that ) but dismissing ones PR MULTIPLE times. With almost none real reason other than "Opiniated Formatting" ( where none exists )