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in reply to snacks • • •Not really
Heavy armor is extremely vulnerable against angry mobs (or one guy with a molotov) which is why every competent military (not the IDF or VDV) will only deploy them along with infantry, where they're mostly just useful for providing support by fire and destroying enemy armor and fortifications which don't tend to exist in the case of armed uprisings
If anything technology has made uprisings easier since the invention of the assault rifle put a Maxim gun into the hands of every single man, woman, and child
Heavy armor is pretty much irrelevant in asymmetric conflicts
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in reply to Listens to Baroque while coding murder.exe • • •I think we should take one more step back to see that technology is used not only to quelch uprisings, but to prevent them from even happening. Instead of rising up people spend days on end doomscrolling and discussing which out-group is worse in the comments 😅
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I mostly agree — you don't need millions to storm government buildings, that is true. But you still HAVE TO have popular support for your government to become legitimate. You can't just arrive as a strike team out of the blue, eviscerate current officials and take their place — that is unlikely to work.
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>But you still HAVE TO have popular support for your government to become legitimate
What does "legitimacy" have to do with anything? Most people in any country hate their governments to the guts.
>You can't just arrive as a strike team out of the blue, eviscerate current officials and take their place — that is unlikely to work.
This is literally how it has worked every single time in the history of mankind. There is no other way.
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Legitimacy is the most important thing! People not only have to hate their government — they have to like what you stand for. If you're assassinating officials, attacking law enforcement and setting the city on fire and people like you — you're brave revolutionaries, but otherwise you're just terrorists and they might even start flocking to their current government.
Besides, authorities aren't in the capital only — even if you manage to take the capital over, what if regional governments tell you to "literally fuck your own face"? To you have enough fighters to cover that? Every regional government and their law enforcement? Without legitimacy it's just civil war.
Then there are international matters — who recognises that your bunch of fanatics represents the country? Case in point: Taliban taking over Afghanistan, they are de-facto controlling the country, now what? Selling opiates to Russia which itself is still considered somewhat legitimate and recognises you is the best you can hope for.
I think legitimacy is the cornerstone of any revolution.
I don't think so. I think it's more like Orwell described it: there is one group that is in power, the second group fighting for power — but they can only succeed if they have the support of the majority, the third group — that never wins itself, but becomes an essential tool for the transition of power. Very simplistic, but I think it's close to how it is.
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>Taliban taking over Afghanistan, they are de-facto controlling the country, now what?
Taliban is officially recognised now. That's what.
>> This is literally how it has worked every single time in the history of mankind.
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>I don't think so.
It's the fact. Communists did this in Russia, China, Vietnam, Korea, etc. Jews did this in Israel. Yankees did this in America. If you take over a country and manage to hold onto your reign, eventually others will recognise your rule.
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Recognised by whom, similar outcasts? If you are not recognised by developed economies, you get no foreign investments and you're doomed to remain a shithole country.
* China might recognise you for its own gain, but in the end they will fuck you over and in time own your country.
No, man, they didn't. Ever heard of this: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_…
This is what I'm talking about — without universal legitimacy all you get is a civil war, by the end of it they could suppress most of the resistance, but even that didn't grant them international recognition, it took going through WW2 as an ally to have that.
That is exactly what I'm talking about — without popular support you have to subdue everyone with violence and in case with a big enough country even a foreign invading force is incapable of this, a bunch of fanatics can do nothing of the sort.
Yeah, precisely! If you're lucky enough to remain in power for decades 😏
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multi-sided civil war in the former Russian Empire, November 1917-October 1922
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