Getting a bit tired of that whole "Emulation/FPGA/Reproduction is not real retro" gatekeeping to be honest. Let peeps have fun the way they want to have fun. It doesn’t matter what YOU think about it.
I like repairing old hardware, don’t care as much about new retro stuff but many do & that’s ok. ☮️
Jan Beta
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in reply to Jan Beta • • •I enjoy using the original machines I have and I also love emulation.
For example, I have a MZ-80K and a couple of MZ-700s, but I don't have room for a MZ-80A. I wrote an emulator for it (and the 80K) on the Pi Pico instead. The emulator is just as much fun and the finished item fits into my pocket ...
I'm also lucky enough to own a UK101, but Grant Searle's FPGA recreation of it is far less temperamental and much more practical to use on a whim. I can also easily run the emulator with 40K of RAM if I want to!
Rycochet
in reply to Jan Beta • • •FPGA and emulation are great ways to share the things we love with people who do not have the resources or knowhow to obtain and work with vintage tech. You aren't keeping a platform alive by pushing people away from it, all you're doing is guaranteeing it's slide into obscurity.
You have generations of young, enthusiastic nerds, eager and willing to build on the shoulders of giants, bring new perspectives and do cool new things which we never thought possible way back when, clone systems and emulators open the door for them to do so.
Justin Skists
in reply to Jan Beta • • •Oh, not this gatekeeping crap again.
The clue is in the title: "#retrocomputing". You can do new shit with old stuff, or old shit with new stuff.
It's not "historically accurate computing", in which you can only use games you've personally bought in Woolworths for 1.99, after a weeks long paper round job, (or copied from school friends on tape) where even using the modern internet for resources and software is technically cheating.
I'm agreeing with @janbeta. It's your hobby so do what you want!
Millie
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in reply to Jan Beta • • •Indeed. The only way the things we're using now will be able to be preserved for future generations is literally through some form of simulation, be it by the execution of program instructions in an emulator, or via the replication of logic gates in a programmable logic array (or some combination of both).
That, and, oh yeah, PIRACY. 😀
Phil M0OFX
in reply to Jan Beta • • •I don't like it either. It's the same logic, just running on a different piece of silicon. Often with an outboard CPU exactly the same as the one in the original machine. Many of them are built from reverse-engineered ASICs or original schematics. They're better than software emulators.
And with the price of original hardware and software, they make the space accessible to newcomers. Which might be why people are upset...
DigitalStefan
in reply to Phil M0OFX • • •@philpem Someone *today* pretended to "not know who [Ultimate64] was for".
Usually it is from someone who has the belief that their way is the best way. Someone so unquestionably right in their opinion that they cannot conceive of why anyone else would think different.
THey even believe that anyone with "inferior" setups should just acknowledge they got ripped off buying into expensive FPGA stuff.
Dan: Who they protect?
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in reply to Jan Beta • • •Also, that's a too-narrow interpretation of 'retro' itself to say it's only about hardware. Is a person whose hobby is playing retro games not 'retro'? It's the playing of the game that is their hobby. Not which pile of fused sand is used to play it on.
For many people, things like emulators or FPGA-based systems are what allow them to access that part of the hobby.
Gatekeeping is for people who want to feel special and exclusive. They need to get over it.
Xenotime | Science/Coding VTuber
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in reply to Jan Beta • • •Like, I definitely really prefer actual simpler ASICs and big, densely populated boards, but that's my tastes, not universal truths, and the first one isn't even universally a dealbreaker to me.
ShadowInTheVoid
in reply to Jan Beta • • •Some systems are more work the others too.
Shred
in reply to Jan Beta • • •I have a classic C64 and an Ultimate 64. I have a classic ZX Spectrum and a ZX Spectrum Next.
You know what? I love all my machines, and wouldn't want to give away any of them. When I'm in a retro mood, I prefer the classic machines. But to be honest, the modern FPGA machines are just easier to handle. (And they have HDMI connectors 😆 )
Bits&Terminal Jeff
in reply to Jan Beta • • •I consider retro computing the umbrella term for newer stuff recreating the original stuff and also the original stuff as well (that one I place in a vintage computing subcategory). Both are valid, but have key differences:
#retroComputing: fun experiences.
#vintageComputing: fun-strating (fun+frustrating) experiences. Also things go boom more.
It's all good to me. Newer stuff has the advantage of not having RIFAs 😀