"It's not the REAL Commodore!"
Really? I'd be interested to know how you define "real". It's got luminaries from the original, it's got the IP rights, it's got traceable lineage back to Jack.
You can just say you don't like it. You don't need to make up reasons.
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in reply to mos_8502 🇨🇦 • • •Perifractic releases two videos where he's making the case to save Commodore, for the love of the brand, his childhood memories etc. Very emotional. It's like a holy mission of his.
Fast forward a couple of weeks and "let's sell shit and make money".
I understand it's a business and not a charity but contrast between the two was a bit striking imho.
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in reply to mos_8502 🇨🇦 • • •is this a real comment you came across?
I only use mastodon, and in a relatively limited fashion too, but I've never seen people here so keen on shitting on other people's fun.
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in reply to mos_8502 🇨🇦 • • •Still not sure what to make of it, TBH. A not inconsiderable portion of me thinks that, despite the number of C= heavyweights involved, it's a vanity project.
I wait to be proved (hopefully) wrong.
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in reply to Yoss1960 • • •Joe Cooper 🇺🇦 🍉
in reply to mos_8502 🇨🇦 • • •the internet is the greatest hate amplification system ever conceived.
I can understand how someone might hope Commodore might become a real competitor in computing again with cutting edge tech comparable to the Amiga back then, but that's just not realistic. The biggest companies in the world can't even figure out how to make cool new tech, they're just flailing putting out dumb shit. There's no revolutionary improvement left. Computers are cheap enough and good enough for anything.
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in reply to mos_8502 🇨🇦 • • •yeah, I think the folks behind it are making very reasonable choices. They're not slapping the brand on bullshit (e.g. cheap PC clones with a dumb-ass Linux version that looks like it's made by/for children), which is a great start. They're embracing all the folks who are already working in the space...the people who have implemented Commodore computers and accessories and software from scratch in various ways.
I'd love to see a ~$400 Amiga 1200. Fingers crossed that comes to pass.
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in reply to Joe Cooper 🇺🇦 🍉 • • •@swelljoe I'm 100% certain they'd love to do that -- but it faces more barriers, because the Amiga IP wasn't included in the sale. Licensing it is certainly possible (THEA500 is a thing after all!) so maybe.
I'd love to see the Amiga IP come home for good, though.
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in reply to Joe Cooper 🇺🇦 🍉 • • •I'm not, like, super excited about all this, but I think it's neat.
The things that will be shipping with the Commodore name are things that already exist, and could exist without this having happened. They're cool things, and they don't need a Commodore name to be cool, but having the Commodore name may bring in new people who didn't know how to tap into the retro Commodore community.
It's fun for the fans, and that's enough.
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in reply to Joe Cooper 🇺🇦 🍉 • • •but, folks who want Commodore to return as a colossus that ships world-record numbers of units and ushers in a new era of personal computing are going to be disappointed. Nobody can do that because the world has changed.
It's dumb to hate on this stuff because it's a realistic plan meant for hobbyists, not for the masses. If they can increase production runs by tapping into a broader market with effective branding and marketing, they can drive prices down some, but that's about it.
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in reply to Joe Cooper 🇺🇦 🍉 • • •Joe Cooper 🇺🇦 🍉
in reply to mos_8502 🇨🇦 • • •yeah, haters gonna hate. But, I think there's also a lot of unresolved grief among folks who lived through the death of Commodore. People were really invested in that, and there were so many dumb and sad disappointments along the way. Management failures, Gateway, Escom, all that bullshit. It felt like vultures just picking at the corpse, and that's pretty upsetting for folks whose identity was tied up in Commodore.
I view the haters as people who've been hurt and need therapy.
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in reply to mos_8502 🇨🇦 • • •@cstross I mean, we're still shipping ten+ year old microcontrollers in our robots. Partly because they don't need more capability and partly because the firmware folks we've had haven't been up to the task of major upgrades. We have people who could do it, but it'd require dropping everything else.
So, at some point it becomes retrocomputing, because you need an old Windows to run the old Keil compiler to build the old source. (We're not at that point, but I can see it happening.)
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in reply to mos_8502 🇨🇦 • • •Either way: I am looking from the sidelines how this turns out. I am not in the market for the machine, but maybe others are…?
Marius
in reply to mos_8502 🇨🇦 • • •Is that really such a risk? I get the impression that there is always a good fraction of programmers interested in low-level, close-to-the-hardware stuff. Often more than there is demand for really, with most embedded programming being pretty high-level nowadays.
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in reply to mos_8502 🇨🇦 • • •SignalEleven
in reply to mos_8502 🇨🇦 • • •I mean, it's SMALL, it's niche, it's driven by people with a documented history of loving what the brand stood for...
Is anybody allowed to sell anything anymore?
I'm pissed at capitalism as much as the next person, but... Who is this hurting?