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Two years have passed since the war began, turning Sudan into a scorched wasteland. Millions of refugees scattered across neighboring countries, cities
A veteran physician with over 30 years inside the medical system, specializing in family and emergency medicine, was found dead just days after blowing the whistle on one of the industry's most explosive secrets: the hidden link between parasites andβ¦
Wenn es eine "ZerreiΓprobe" und ein "Hochseilakt" sein soll, ob man sich an das VΓΆlkerrecht hΓ€lt oder einem anderen Staat bei einem VΓΆlkermord hilft, dann hat man aus der deutschen Geschichte rein gar nichts gelernt.
Die "StaatsrΓ€son" wird, wie bei jedem anderen demokratischen Land, nur in der eigenen Verfassung niedergelegt, mit groΓer Mehrheit, nicht in Reden, und Art. 1 GG ist als deutsche StaatsrΓ€son mehr als deutlich genug.
#Wadephul beschΓ€digt die hart erarbeiteten Regeln und Einrichtungen der #UN weiter und schwadroniert, auch eine Blockade aller Hilfslieferungen fΓΌr #Gaza seit zwei Monaten kΓΆnne man #Israel nicht als vΓΆlkerrechtswidrig vorwerfen.
@Bundesregierung und @AuswaertigesAmt haben auch in ihrer Neuauflage nicht die leiseste Ahnung davon, wie diskreditiert Deutschland mitsamt der EU in der Welt dastehen, mit ihrem verlogenen GeschwΓ€tz von Werten und internationalem Recht, wΓ€hrend man gleichzeitig Beihilfe zum #Genozid leistet.
60 Jahre nach dem diplomatischen Neuanfang belasten der internationale Haftbefehl gegen Premier Netanjahu und der Krieg in Gaza die deutsch-israelische Beziehungen. Was bleibt von der deutschen StaatsrΓ€son?
California Rep. Adam Schiff is facing explosive allegations of mortgage fraud, voter fraud, and election misconduct β spanning nearly 20 years. A bombshell report by Chris Bish & Darren Ellis reveals: β’Schiff declared his Maryland home as his βprimary residenceβ since 2003β¦ β’While continuing to vote and serve as a Congressman from California..
TEHRAN, May 11 (MNA) β Iranβs Foreign Ministry Spokesman Esmaeil Baghaei has said that his country is firmly determined to pursue inalienable right to nuclear energy under the Non-Proliferation Treaty (NPT).
At the Jerusalem Peace Summit this weekend, most speakers did not shy away from the vastly higher Palestinian death toll of the Gaza war, as over 5,000 Israelis and Palestinians came together demanding an end to the bloodshed
Impact crushers, formidable machines designed for the efficient reduction of various materials, embody power and productivity in the realm of crushing operations. As these mechanical juggernauts command attention, it becomes imperative to dissect the core safety measures governing their operation. This article elucidates the paramount significance of adhering to fundamental safety recommendations when operating impact crushers.
Fundamental Safety Guidelines
Equipment Inspection and Maintenance
In the intricate ballet of machinery, the first act of defense lies in meticulous equipment inspection and maintenance. This involves a judicious examination of each component constituting the mobile impact crusher. Routine checks should delve into the labyrinth of gears, bearings, and structural elements, ensuring their integrity and functionality. Proactive maintenance measures must be taken to address potential wear and tear, preemptively replacing parts before they metamorphose into safety hazards.
Consider a scenario where a neglected bearing, succumbing to prolonged stress, metamorphoses into a ticking time bomb. A routine inspection would have unveiled its deteriorating condition, enabling timely replacement and averting a potential catastrophic failure. This exemplifies the crucial role of systematic equipment scrutiny in preserving both machinery and, more importantly, human safety.
Operator Training and Certification
The second pillar in fortifying impact crusher operations is the caliber of the operator. Specialized training programs, tailored to the nuances of impact crusher dynamics, are indispensable. These programs should not merely scratch the surface but delve deep into the operational intricacies, empowering operators with a profound understanding of the machine's behavior under diverse conditions.
Certification requirements act as the crucible, ensuring that operators undergo rigorous assessments to validate their competence. Imagine an operator navigating the complexities of an impact crusher without the requisite knowledge β a precarious situation akin to steering a ship through treacherous waters blindfolded. Rigorous training and certification dismantle the blindfold, endowing operators with the acumen to navigate the mobile crusher plant for sale's intricacies safely.
Emergency Preparedness and Response
The denouement of safety in impact crusher operation lies in the ability to anticipate and respond to emergencies. Protocols for potential hazards should be ingrained in the operational ethos, transforming reactive chaos into calculated response. From electrical malfunctions to unexpected material blockages, a well-choreographed emergency plan should be in place, with operators and support staff trained to execute it seamlessly.
Immediate response strategies are the vanguard in mitigating the aftermath of an unforeseen event. Picture a scenario where an impact crusher, caught in the throes of a material jam, threatens to cascade into a breakdown. An adept emergency response team, armed with a preconceived plan, swiftly intervenes, minimizing downtime and averting collateral damage. In the unforgiving realm of impact crusher operation, an efficient emergency response is the linchpin that separates controlled chaos from catastrophic consequences.
Conclusion
In the crucible of impact crusher operation, safety is not an ancillary consideration but the very bedrock upon which efficient and secure operations rest. By embracing fundamental safety guidelines encompassing equipment vigilance, operator proficiency, and emergency preparedness, industries can ensure that the symphony of impact crusher operation resonates not only with productivity but, more crucially, with an unwavering commitment to the well-being of all involved.
Donβt miss out on Geometry Dash Lite if you love the catchy game Geometry Dash! Lead the character through a variety of obstacles and get to the finish line!
Mark Twain: If it's your job to eat a frog, it's best to do it first thing in the morning. And If it's your job to eat two frogs, it's best to eat the biggest one first. wordsmith.social/protestation/β¦
Otto Kuusinen: As long as the working class wages only an economic struggle, the bourgeoisie does not see in that any great danger for itself; but when the working class organises politically, i.e., creates a political party which expresses its will as a class, the bourgeoisie begins seriously to fear for its rule. That is why reaction deals its main blows against the political party of the working class. At the same time, trying to undermine the party from within, capitalist propaganda endeavours to persuade the workers that they can do without their own party. One of the manifestations of bourgeois influence on the working class is the anarchist and anarcho-syndicalist denial of the leading role of a political party.
Democritus: Not from fear but from a sense of duty refrain from your sins.
Democritus: Many who have not learned wisdom live wisely, and many who do the basest deeds can make most learned speeches.
Democritus: Fools learn wisdom through misfortune.
Democritus: Strength of body is nobility in beasts of burden, strength of character is nobility in men.
Democritus: Neither art nor wisdom may be attained without learning.
Democritus: It is better to correct your own faults than those of another.
Democritus: Good means not (merely) not to do wrong, but rather not to desire to do wrong.
Democritus: Fame and wealth without wisdom are unsafe possessions.
Muammar Gaddafi: We will not surrender. We will defeat them by any means. We are ready for the fight, whether it will be a short or a long one. We will be victorious in the end. This assault is by a bunch of fascists who will end up in the dustbin of history.
Democritus: By convention sweet is sweet, bitter is bitter, hot is hot, cold is cold, color is color; but in truth there are only atoms and the void.
Democritus: We know nothing accurately in reality, but (only) as it changes according to the bodily condition, and the constitution of those things that flow upon (the body) and impinge upon it.
Democritus: Medicine heals diseases of the body, wisdom frees the soul from passions.
Democritus: Immoderate desire is the mark of a child, not a man.
Democritus: Men have fashioned an image of Chance as an excuse for their own stupidity.
Democritus: In a shared fish, there are no bones.
Democritus: Education is an ornament for the prosperous, a refuge for the unfortunate.
Democritus: The animal needing something knows how much it needs, the man does not.
Democritus: Moderation multiplies pleasures, and increases pleasure.
Democritus: If your desires are not great, a little will seem much to you; for small appetite makes poverty equivalent to wealth.
Democritus: No power and no treasure can outweigh the extension of our knowledge.
Democritus: In fact we do not know anything infallibly, but only that which changes according to the condition of our body and of the (influences) that reach and impinge upon it.
Democritus: Of practical wisdom these are the three fruits: to deliberate well, to speak to the point, to do what is right.
Democritus: 'Tis not in strength of body nor in gold that men find happiness, but in uprightness and in fulness of understanding.
Democritus: He who does wrong is more unhappy than he who suffers wrong.
Samuel P. Huntington: The West won the world not by the superiority of its ideas or values or religion (to which few members of other civilizations were converted) but rather by its superiority in applying organized violence. Westerners often forget this fact; non-Westerners never do.
Marjori Palmer: One of the most morale-damaging aspects of the inflation was the "sack of Germany" that occurred at the height of the (1923) inflation. Anyone who possessed dollars or sterling was king in Germany. A few American dollars would allow a man to live like a millionaire. Foreigners swarmed into the country, buying up family treasures, estates, jewelry and art works at unbelievable low prices.
Lionel Robbins: It was the most colossal thing of its kind in history: and next probably to the Great War itself, it must bear responsibility for many of the political and economic difficulties of our generation. It destroyed the wealth of the more solid elements of German society: and left behind a moral and economic disequilibrium, a breeding ground for the disasters which have followed. Hitler is the foster child of the inflation.
Lenin: There is no trace of utopianism in Marx, in the sense that he made up or invented a 'new' society. No, he studied the birth of the new society out of the old, and the forms of transition from the latter to the former, as a natural-historical process. He examined the actual experience of a proletarian mass movement and tried to draw practical lessons from it.
Che Guevara: Many will call me an adventurer - and that I am, only one of a different sort: one of those who risks his skin to prove his platitudes.
Democritus: The first principles of the universe are atoms and empty space; everything else is merely thought to exist.
Bertolt Brecht: Lenin is enshrined In the large heart of the working class.
So now we know. Genocide is good for business, says the UK government.
βPreserving the British role in the F-35 jet fighter programme takes precedence over any UK obligation to prevent a genocide in Israel, UK government lawyers will argue in court this week.β
Erdogan tells Putin Turkey is ready to host direct talks in Istanbul as Ukraine demands a ceasefire and European powers push for urgent diplomatic action.
The possible resumption of negotiations to resolve the conflict in Ukraine in Istanbul at Russia's initiative will be one of the topics of discussion at a cabinet meeting chaired by Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdogan on Monday, a Turkish diplomatβ¦
As the night closed in on Spain and Portugal on 28 April, polar satellites followed the blackout that lasted well into the early hours of the morning in several regions.
Wenn βSolange die AfD nicht verboten istβ¦β zum Freibrief der Partei fΓΌr Gleichbehandlung in Politik und Medien wird, ist das ein starkes Argument fΓΌr ein Parteiverbot.
Otto Kuusinen: As long as the working class wages only an economic struggle, the bourgeoisie does not see in that any great danger for itself; but when the working class organises politically, i.e., creates a political party which expresses its will as a class, the bourgeoisie begins seriously to fear for its rule. That is why reaction deals its main blows against the political party of the working class. At the same time, trying to undermine the party from within, capitalist propaganda endeavours to persuade the workers that they can do without their own party. One of the manifestations of bourgeois influence on the working class is the anarchist and anarcho-syndicalist denial of the leading role of a political party.
Democritus: Not from fear but from a sense of duty refrain from your sins.
Democritus: Many who have not learned wisdom live wisely, and many who do the basest deeds can make most learned speeches.
Democritus: Fools learn wisdom through misfortune.
Democritus: Strength of body is nobility in beasts of burden, strength of character is nobility in men.
Democritus: Neither art nor wisdom may be attained without learning.
Democritus: It is better to correct your own faults than those of another.
Democritus: Good means not (merely) not to do wrong, but rather not to desire to do wrong.
Democritus: Fame and wealth without wisdom are unsafe possessions.
Muammar Gaddafi: We will not surrender. We will defeat them by any means. We are ready for the fight, whether it will be a short or a long one. We will be victorious in the end. This assault is by a bunch of fascists who will end up in the dustbin of history.
Democritus: By convention sweet is sweet, bitter is bitter, hot is hot, cold is cold, color is color; but in truth there are only atoms and the void.
Democritus: We know nothing accurately in reality, but (only) as it changes according to the bodily condition, and the constitution of those things that flow upon (the body) and impinge upon it.
Democritus: Medicine heals diseases of the body, wisdom frees the soul from passions.
Democritus: Immoderate desire is the mark of a child, not a man.
Democritus: Men have fashioned an image of Chance as an excuse for their own stupidity.
Democritus: In a shared fish, there are no bones.
Democritus: Education is an ornament for the prosperous, a refuge for the unfortunate.
Democritus: The animal needing something knows how much it needs, the man does not.
Democritus: Moderation multiplies pleasures, and increases pleasure.
Democritus: If your desires are not great, a little will seem much to you; for small appetite makes poverty equivalent to wealth.
Democritus: No power and no treasure can outweigh the extension of our knowledge.
Democritus: In fact we do not know anything infallibly, but only that which changes according to the condition of our body and of the (influences) that reach and impinge upon it.
Democritus: Of practical wisdom these are the three fruits: to deliberate well, to speak to the point, to do what is right.
Democritus: 'Tis not in strength of body nor in gold that men find happiness, but in uprightness and in fulness of understanding.
Democritus: He who does wrong is more unhappy than he who suffers wrong.
Samuel P. Huntington: The West won the world not by the superiority of its ideas or values or religion (to which few members of other civilizations were converted) but rather by its superiority in applying organized violence. Westerners often forget this fact; non-Westerners never do.
Marjori Palmer: One of the most morale-damaging aspects of the inflation was the "sack of Germany" that occurred at the height of the (1923) inflation. Anyone who possessed dollars or sterling was king in Germany. A few American dollars would allow a man to live like a millionaire. Foreigners swarmed into the country, buying up family treasures, estates, jewelry and art works at unbelievable low prices.
Lionel Robbins: It was the most colossal thing of its kind in history: and next probably to the Great War itself, it must bear responsibility for many of the political and economic difficulties of our generation. It destroyed the wealth of the more solid elements of German society: and left behind a moral and economic disequilibrium, a breeding ground for the disasters which have followed. Hitler is the foster child of the inflation.
Lenin: There is no trace of utopianism in Marx, in the sense that he made up or invented a 'new' society. No, he studied the birth of the new society out of the old, and the forms of transition from the latter to the former, as a natural-historical process. He examined the actual experience of a proletarian mass movement and tried to draw practical lessons from it.
Che Guevara: Many will call me an adventurer - and that I am, only one of a different sort: one of those who risks his skin to prove his platitudes.
Democritus: The first principles of the universe are atoms and empty space; everything else is merely thought to exist.
Bertolt Brecht: Lenin is enshrined In the large heart of the working class.
On Saturday, the Dutch city of Rotterdam held a symbolic event to commemorate the health workers killed in the Gaza Strip by Israeli attacks. 1,400 pairs of white shoes were placed in one of the cityβs major squares. The event, organized by the Doct
This past May 1st, some naive people might have expected a greeting to the workers from the President of the Nation, even if it were purely hypocritical. But none of that happened.
Microsoftβs Copilot for SharePoint, designed to streamline enterprise collaboration through generative AI, has become an unexpected weapon for cybercriminals targeting organizational secrets. Recent findings from cybersecurity researchers reveal that attackers are exploiting AI agents embedded in SharePoint sites to bypass traditional security controls, extract passwords, and access restricted files-all while evading detection. This novel attack [β¦]
People online complain that Linux is hard to install for new users. But who are these people and why do they levy these complaints? The biggest barrier for the new Linux user isn't the installer; i...
The vast majority of people have no experience installing an OS and likely never will.
The typical user uses whatever is preinstalled when the get the hardware.
My father-in-law wrecked his windows pc with malware over and over so I bought him a Wow PC mywowcomputer.com/ and he loves it. I don't think he has any idea its running linux.
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The source files can be found by following 3 links deep to telikin.com/source/ doesn't look like they include their frontend though, which might be proprietary, idk.
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Or users could maybe learn how to do things without having their hands held and treated like babies every step of the way; or at least how to search for information to find what they need... π€·π»ββοΈ
They could. But you and I both know they won't because most people don't care about anything beyond 'make the magic box work so I can do my job / play my game / etc.
Because we keep feeding them stupid pills and encouraging them not to think. Microsoft was a pioneer of the whole "water down software and call it user-frienfly'" thing.
That's not it at all. You don't think accountants who juggle numbers and Excel formulas all day couldn't learn? Lawyers whose entire job involves absorbing and filtering vast amounts of information? Doctors who diagnose machines that are far more complex than computers (people)? Of course they could; I worked around these people in IT for 20 years, I can tell you that despite how stupid these folks seem around computers they feel the same way about your capabilities in their field of expertise, only they don't have the arrogance to assume that everyone should learn to be a mechanical engineer or dentist in order to understand their job.
What they are is too busy doing other shit that they care more about. They don't have the time or interest to be farting around with a computer to do anything more than the absolute minimum requirements needed to do the shit they actually care about. Human society functions because people specialize, and people who don't specialize in making computers go just don't care enough about them as anything other than as a tool and maybe an occasional source of entertainment to waste their time learning. Just like you don't waste your time learning about how to run a nuclear power plant.
And I say this as someone who used to love tinkering with computers, turned it into a career, and slowly grew to hate it. I too no longer care about optimizing or fiddling or tweaking, I just want the magic box to work so I can do the stuff I care about (writing, gaming, etc.)
Well, lucky for them their fields aren't under constant attack by droves of idiots constantly being catered to. There is no watering down of those fields in the name of "user friendliness".
Also, they don't expect people to understand their field, but people don't interact and touch legal stuff or doctor stuff on a daily basis like people do with computers. If they did, then they would no doubt feel the same way about idiots who can't grasp the basics and refuse to learn the slightly more advanced shit.
It's 2025. There's no reason for anybody - but especially the older group - to not know what the start button is, or keyboard shortcuts for copy and paste, for example.
What does 'watering down' even mean? Why is 'user friendliness' bad? Do you want computers that are harder to use for some reason? If that was the case why don't you also give up your favorite OS or interface or language and go back to carting around stacks of punch-cards or flipping physical switches to set memory registers? Or are you just trying to make yourself feel useful as an IT person?
Also, I dunno if you know this, but people interact with health and legal shit all the time, that's why there are people who only do that job. Reading some email and punching some numbers into an excel sheet are about the equivalent of signing a lease or getting a flu shot. It's not their job to know how things work behind the scenes, just like it's not your job to know how to make vaccines or write legally binding contracts.
And finally, you're forgetting two important facts. 1. Older people tend to have been in their jobs longer and at higher levels 2. Companies, especially in certain industries, don't update their hardware/software as often as IT would like them to.
So that old guy you think ought to be able to know what a start button is might have never seen one because the only computers they use at work are old SPARCstations from the early 2000s, or might've worked in a bank for the last 50 years that is still using AS/400s from the late 80s or whatever that can't even run windows. You tell me, what are the keyboard shortcuts for copy and paste hotkeys on a DEC Alpha? Where's the power button on an SGI Onyx? I worked IT in a hospital in the late 90s that was still using computers from the early 70s for shit, it happens way more often than you think.
"Watering down" is the MS approach to design - take all the power user features, and make them less useful and less efficient to use (or just get rid of them altogether). It's a slow burn to "Take that to the nearest certified Microsoft Store so they can repair it for you".
The entire design is focused around making things HARDER to use. Less reliance on a terminal, dynamic menus whose contents are clusterfucked into little panels instead of proper menus. Hell, look at the Printers dialogue in Windows 7 and prior, then compare that to the trash they've thrown in Win 10 and 11. Everything is designed to look flashy, and be as impossibly inefficient to use. But it looks less intimidating, so stupid users love it!
Reading some email and punching some numbers into an excel sheet are about the equivalent of signing a lease or getting a flu shot.
Not sure where you're from, but when I get a flu shot, I sit in a chair and somebody who knows how to administer the shot gives it to me. I also don't get a flu shot for several hours a day several days a week. Same with leases, I may sign one every few years at most, and if it's for something serious then I would get a lawyer involved. That said, I am at least competent enough to sit in the chair and get the shot without asking "what's a chair? How do I sit? Where is my arm?" Likewise, I can read a lease and not have to ask "What is a lease? What is a signature? How do I sign this page?" I can't say the same about people in 2025 who say "What's the start button?" or have no idea that decades-old shortcuts like ctrl+c and ctrl+v are things.
Also, if you consider the amount of marketing and exposure to computers that people have had by now, yes, I would expect just about everybody to know what the fuck a Start button is. Shit, if you hold your mouse over it, I'm almost certain it even pops a tooltip that says "Start". Some of these people have worked at this same company for decades, and have no doubt touched generations of Windows software.
As for how to copy/paste on those older computers - I guess it depends on how you're accessing them as to whether or not you even can copy/paste. But at the same time, I wouldn't be nearly as frustrated if somebody wasn't quite sure how to navigate through something that isn't as commonplace as a Windows computer - you might as well say you're "not very competent with pencils and paper".
It has not been my experience that MS removes or weakens tools like that. What they do is hide them, like what they did in the transition from the control panel to the modern settings interface in 10/11. It's easier for people who don't know what they're doing to navigate (and harder for them to stumble into settings that could really mess things up), but it's just slower to navigate and harder to find the shit you want when you're not doing bog-standard end-user stuff. But also the control panel is still there and still works exactly how it used to, so you can just use it instead. If there's a 'watering down' there it's that the search function prefers to return results for for the settings menu rather than the control panel so you have to navigate to it by hand, but you can just pin that shit to your start menu like everything else and keep using it like it's still 2005.
The entire design is focused around making things HARDER to use. Less reliance on a terminal, dynamic menus whose contents are clusterfucked into little panels instead of proper menus.
Only for people who are doing complex technical stuff and accessing features that aren't commonly needed by the end-user. For everyone else not having 400 options that they don't understand and will never use cluttering everything up makes it easier to use, not harder. Most end-users never want to see a terminal, and those clustered toolbars make it easier - when coming at it fresh without years or decades of expectations - not harder to find what what you're looking for. Especially if you're visually impaired like I am. This strikes me as just 'the way I learned is faster' without the awareness that it's because you took the time to learn it and don't want to have to learn something new. And I get it. I spent hours and hours learning all of the menu hotkey combinations for Lotus 1-2-3 in the late 80s, and I was fast as shit at plucking out those obscure features from 12 menus deep with a few keystrokes, so I was very salty when Excel came along and displaced it with its graphical menus and mouse pointer that was so much slower than the hotkeys I had learned. But also Excel was vastly more popular than Lotus 1-2-3 ever was because it was a lot easier for accountants to use, and Excel has (or had, I haven't used it in a while) hotkeys for most of its menu items anyway (alt+key to pull down a menu, then each entry had a letter underlined so you could quickly pick that option, much like using /, (w)orksheet, (c)olumn, (a)dd or whatever from Lotus 1-2-3.)
That's not 'watering down', that's improving: making things better for the vast majority of people, while requiring folks like us - whose entire job is to learn and understand computer shit - to bear the burden of having to relearn a few things. I guarantee you there were programmers out there complaining about the widespread adoption of early high-level languages because 'by god the best way to code is to manually flip the bits in core memory with a magnet' or whatever, but it's no different than when new laws get passed or new diagnostic or treatment standards get approved. Technological progress and reinvention is just the nature of living in an industrial society. If you don't want to keep up with it, pick another field like I did.
when I get a flu shot, I sit in a chair and somebody who knows how to administer the shot gives it to me. ... Same with leases, I may sign one every few years at most, and if itβs for something serious then I would get a lawyer involved.
Exactly my point: you and an accountant both have a very shallow, straightforward experience with a complex technical subject because others have gone to considerable lengths to take care of the immense volume of technical details and obscure them from your view. I'm going to guess that you understand as much about how to safely store and administer vaccines or which of 12 related statutes applies to your particular case as he does about the SMTP protocol or Ethernet, so why do you expect him to not get a professional involved when he runs into 'something serious' just like you do? And keep in mind that what seems trivial to you or I can be quite serious and intractable to him.
I am at least competent enough to sit in the chair and get the shot without asking βwhatβs a chair? How do I sit? Where is my arm?β Likewise, I can read a lease and not have to ask βWhat is a lease? What is a signature? How do I sign this page?β I canβt say the same about people in 2025 who say βWhatβs the start button?β or have no idea that decades-old shortcuts like ctrl+c and ctrl+v are things.
This is a straw man. You are exaggerating the stupidity of others to create a false example against which you are arguing, and while a few of those people certainly exist (I had a guy tell me his computer wouldn't turn on and then when I asked him to try his response was to loudly say 'Computer, on! -- see? Nothing happens'), most people can muddle through simple stuff like navigating menus even if they don't know what they're called.
I did tech support for a couple of years in the late 90s, I have walked people who have literally never touched a computer before through replacing their motherboard (CPU, RAM, cables, even DIP switches and jumpers.) It's been my experience that there's a kind of mental line that most people draw that separates technical stuff into two categories: 'I can probably figure this out', and 'OMG this is way too much I don't even know where to start.' I have talked to many, many people on both sides of that line, and there seems to be no middle ground. People go from 'I think I can swim?' straight to 'holy shit I'm drowning'. When they've assigned computer stuff to the far side of that line they actively reject thinking about it, especially when jargon is involved. If you ask them where their files are stored they might gesture vaguely at the box under their desk, but if you ask them what a hard drive is they will shrug and go 'Iono man, must be some of that wacky technical shit I don't understand'. They have some idea what a hard drive - or a start button - is, they use it every day, but if you put them on the spot while they're in 'I dunno anything' mode they're not even going to try to make the connection and ask 'wait, is that the menu that all my programs are in?', they'll just go 'Dunno man, that must be some of that technical shit that's beyond me.'
And it works both ways. I have had certified network engineers tell me 'Of course it's plugged in, what kind of an idiot do you think I am?' when it turned out not to be plugged in. There's the stuff you know and the stuff you feel confident stretching for; everything else just doesn't even get considered.
As for how to copy/paste on those older computers - I guess it depends on how youβre accessing them as to whether or not you even can copy/paste. But at the same time, I wouldnβt be nearly as frustrated if somebody wasnβt quite sure how to navigate through something that isnβt as commonplace as a Windows computer - you might as well say youβre βnot very competent with pencils and paperβ.
The point is that you don't know because you don't have to, you've never had to use them (and what's 'commonplace' for you isn't necessarily common at all for others.) The same is true for those people who have been working in banks for decades and haven't seen anything more modern than an IBM PCjr. Your frustration that people don't understand stuff that's common to you is equivalent to their frustration that you don't know how to write programs in RPG2 or Fortran. They probably don't think you're stupid for not knowing why certain kinds of RAM can cause 'make world' on BSD systems to fail halfway through, so why do you think they are for not knowing stuff that they may not have been exposed to very much?
I think your expectations might be rather skewed. For example, do you know how common it is to just not own a PC in the days of ubiquitous consoles and tablets and smartphones? I have 11 adult nieces and nephews, two of them own PCs, and only then because their mother wanted someone to play WoW with her when they were kids and they stuck with PC gaming. But every one of them has a phone, at least an xbox or playstation, most of them own a Switch or Steam deck or similar, etc. Meanwhile the last console I owned still had wood paneling on the front (Atari 2600.) Peoples' experiences with technology are different, some are intrigued by it and drawn to learn more, some just see it as a tool that sits in a drawer until they need to turn some metaphorical bolts. It's absurd to assume that everyone has the same experience and interest and understanding with a subject that you do.
The biggest hole in your argument is that it isn't 1993 anymore, and the internet has a whole wealth of information on how to do shit, not to mention how hard it would be to have never touched a computer if you're any more than 5 years old.
People could take the 30 seconds to get the answer, but instead they'd prefer to just be stupid and allow big tech to slowly repeal rights to repair.
I've done corporate IT. I've talked to people who somehow use a computer every day but still haven't grasped basic 30+ year old concepts.
The reliance on IT to do the most basic shit is great for me from an employment standpoint, but we are equitr clearly being herded slowly toward the "Take that to your certifies Microsoft repair center for service " path. It'll only be a matter of time before Computers are as pathetic as the pocket computers we call smart phones.
Google and Apple have not just convinced people that they don't need full ownership of their phones, but that having that level of access is actually somehow a bad thing.
We're already seeing laptops with batteries sealed in, and not just Surface Pro tablet style ones, either.
We shouldn't be coddling and encouraging ignorance of everyday things. If you can do a jigsaw puzzle, you're overqualified to build a computer - you may need help picking the right parts, but assembly should be straight forward. If you work a job that requires computer usage, you should know at least the basics of the OS. If you worked in a shop where your job was to cut a pipe to length using a saw, would you really have that job for long if you had no idea how to use a saw, and refused to learn the basics of using the saw? A computer is a tool no less than a saw is.
Didn't watch the video... but the premise "The biggest barrier for the new Linux user isn't the installer" is exactly why Microsoft is, sadly, dominating the end-user (not servers) market.
What Microsoft managed to do with OEMs is NOT to have an installer at all! People buy (or get, via their work) a computer and... use it. There is not installation step for the vast majority of people.
I'm not saying that's good, only that strategy wise, if the single metric is adoption rate, no installer is a winning strategy.
Most people who go out and buy a computer doesn't understand what an OS is. If Linux was standard when you bought a PC, it would be the dominating OS. I mean, you could switch the OS to Linux on the computers and I think most people wouldn't realise when they buy it lol
I think they would. I tried Linux again for the first time in 10+ years and kept running into issues like my sound would randomly die or change to headset, when I tried to update the video driver it hard- locked the system, etc. I just installed Ubuntu the other day and whenever it boots the monitor just goes into standby with no signal. It's been nothing but trouble, and I have pretty normal hardware. Most people aren't going to know or care how to deal with those problems. As far as Linux has come, it's still not ready for widespread adoption by most people on the 'it just works' front.
TBH do you actually think that there's some chance that nobody is testing these releases and this is happening to a massive number of people?
I've installed linux countless times on a SHITLOAD of computers and never faced any of these problems, realistically, you're very unlucky, and these sorts of things happen with windows all the time too.
I'm not saying your issues don't matter, but unless you have statistics that back you up, you can't say "it just works" to either OS.
I've had more of an "It just works" experience with linux literally hundreds of times.
I actually think there's some chance that linux has a lot of parts that were developed individually and thrown together and they don't always work great together. I think linux still has markedly worse driver support (especially for nvidia GPUs apparently) than windows, and that in terms of just working out of the box on a wide range of hardware and use cases that windows has it beat and it's not even that much of a contest. Yeah it can work, but it also seems to not work at least some of the time and then you don't have repair shops, tech support, etc you can call to figure out why. The best you can hope for is to trawl through old reddit threads and hope the answer is contained within, that it applies to your distro, and that the commands and files it tells you to run and edit are in the same places with the same name, which is frankly by no means as guaranteed for linux as it is for windows. When I tell someone to go into their windows/system32 folder and find foo.dll then 99 times out of 100 there is a file called foo.dll in the windows/system32 folder that does exactly what I think it does. Linux is too varied. And that's not a bad thing for most use cases, but it very much is for the widespread adoption use case.
Don't get me wrong, I hate windows and would love to switch to linux full time, it's just not working for me with some pretty bog-standard hardware on two different distros now with no indication as to even how I might go about fixing it other than 'lol buy an AMD GPU', so the odds are pretty good that I'm not the only person in history that that has happened for. I've never had problems like this on windows, I've never installed windows on normal hardware and had it just fail to work for no explicable reason, etc. I did IT for more than 20 years on both windows and linux computers and while I don't have statistics I can tell you that anecdotally linux was generally more stable and had fewer problems once it was running, but that was also on servers doing (often-headless) server things, not desktops playing games or doing stuff with sound or multimedia or running general software and shit.
I think that until most people can figure out how to install linux - and I would say probably 80% of them, minimum, lack the time, patience, or technical knowledge to do so because it's not just 'press button, receive OS' like windows is - and have it just work the vast majority of the time then it's not ready for widespread adoption. Preinstalling on known hardware is a different matter and could probably work for many cases until something goes wrong though.
Same issue though. If manufacturers actually had linux preinstalled, they would ensure compatibility. This isn't a windows/Linux problem, this is a manufacturer/default os problem.
I am amazed by what you say though. I've had 0 hardware problems installing Linux on many different machines in the past 5 years. All the incompatibility issues of old are gone by my perspective
Even then those who have to installers don't really have a good experience with distros of wide market share (narrowing to Linux distros only), especially with whatever fresh hell Calamares is. (It doesn't even support LVM or just installation with specified mounts points if you already set up your partition layout!) Seriously, I've had better experience with the installer Ubuntu Server uses.
It does "support" LVM, but with a wacky/hacky workaround and that's a real shame !
Also, there is some talking on github on how they will probably completely drop LVM in the near futur... That's not what someone should expect from a Linux installer!
Also, there is some talking on github on how they will probably completely drop LVM in the near futur... That's not what someone should expect from a Linux installer!
It's a shitshow. Looking at their repo's issues list has lots of noise, but the worst of them is that the LVM issue has been open for over a year now. Sure, open source, anyone's free to work on it by why would distros use such a feature incomplete installer?
Linux definitively does dominate the end user market. You just mean the end user desktop/laptop market.
I agree though that preinstallation is the biggest deal. The fact that people have to install Linux at all is the problem. The installer itself is already 100x better than the Windows one, but that's not enough.
Not to mention it means manufacturers ensure all the hardware is compatible, drivers etc are installed and working, which is why windows users feel it works better.
Just saying, not my experience. I have used linux for over 25 years and nontechnical users in my family have also for almost 20 years. Buy in large it has worked just fine.
The big issue is Linux is not the OS that is supplied when people go to the store and buy something (well except for Android and Chromebooks which are Linux and are popular). It is also not the system or have the apps their friends use. It also does not have the huge supply, support, and word of mouth ecosystem. Buying hardware especially addons is confusing. Getting support is hard unless you have friends that use. Buying Linux preinstalled often costs more. Change too is hard and there has to be some driver and for most people there is not.
I've been a "heavy" user(/admin) of Linux in the server space for about 12 years now, but only recently through a new employment opportunity have I become a daily Linux desktop user. Last weekend - slowly coming to the realization that Linux can really satisfy all my personal needs (including gaming that supports DLL injection) - I thought I'd like to see how feasible this would now be for the kind of end-user that I encounter as customers and friends, family members etc.
Having chosen CachyOS for myself a lot of my needs are now met brilliantly by the AUR, but of course I don't see this being a realistic proposal for an end-user. Flatpaks on the other hand I am now (and previously through my Steam Deck) encountering as a super straightforward way of covering a lot of ground in terms of the kinds of apps people may need, and having them remain usable across system upgrades and such. I agree with a lot of what you're saying, but with Flathub I feel that there's not just everything there that probably covers 95% of non-tech-savvy people's needs, there's even stuff in there that you can't get anywhere else with a simple install button. Like a youtube-dl UI for example.
Anyways this isn't even the story I'm trying to tell, sorry for the tangent. So I thought if I'm ever going to recommend any distro to someone it's gonna have to be an immutable one, but based on what I just said I'd say any distribution (immutable or not) is going to be dead in the water if it doesn't come with Flatpak support out of the box. And so the choices in terms of popular ones (according to ChatGPT) were VanillaOS and Fedora Silverblue/Kinoite. (Personally I use KDE now but I think the most approachable DE is always going to be Gnome hands down unless you're talking outdated hardware.)
So I set up VanillaOS in a VM, latest ISO from their website, went through the installer, all went fine until the reboot where I was basically just met by a lengthy splash screen and then some GTK error saying it failed to launch or whatever and then the screen just remains black indefinitely. Obviously this isn't supposed to happen, it's probably something to do with my virtualized setup, but if there's any chance of this happening on the physical machine of a person in need of a digital revolution in their life then this is certainly not what I'm going to recommend to them.
Next up, Fedora Silverblue. Went through the installer, the Fedora one is already a great starting point in terms of simplicity. Rebooted into a working Desktop Environment, so already winning on that front. I had one minor problem there where the last step of the Initial Setup process would just hang if I wanted it to enable Third party sources straightaway. If I left that off I could finish and finally get to my Desktop. Then I would open the Gnome "Software" app and it would basically ask the same thing in a more convoluted manner but basically that means there's a second "chance" to enable third party sources without having to find something in a settings menu. It's a little more fussy than if the checkbox had just worked on the Initial Setup but I guess I could see many people work through this if I told them "don't check that last checkbox and then check it in the Software app".
It's weird that both avenues I tried came up with problems that seem way too on the nose to be overlooked. Or who knows what factored into those problems, but really they shouldn't even be within the realm of possibility. For a setup process to yield a black screen or hang itself if the wrong checkbox is clicked are the kind of things that (imho) are going to define when the "Year of the Linux Desktop" meme will stop being a meme. If you can give me an immutable Linux with Flatpak support out of the box which can be booted on a SecureBoot enabled computer and which will reliably install to a working Desktop then we're talking. For now, my recommendation is Fedora Silverblue. Slap that onto a USB-Stick and you have a somewhat attainable Linux installer that mere mortals can make use of.
Keep in mind you choose basically uncommon niche distributions. Go to distrowatch and choose one of the top 5 or so and use the distro repos and security updates. No flatpack is not needed for a well supported distro. That is especially true for one of the common Debian based distros.
Of course people can have different opinions on this, but the point for me is that I am of the firm belief that immutable is a must for people that just want their OS to work indefinitely without having to take care of that aspect. And once you got that covered, I feel that you need some sort of "App Store" app out of the box where you can get whatever people may need. Ubuntu has Snaps, which to my understanding is just a different take on what Flatpaks are accomplishing.
Currently the Top 5 of the past 6 months on Distrowatch are all mutable, 2 of them are Arch-based, one comes with Xfce. I have been a Mint user myself and again, of course this is a matter of opinion, but for me the ship of using Debian derivatives has sailed, which might also subconsciously be the reason why no Ubuntu-based immutable distro has made it into my experiments. (No disrespect to Canonical and what they have done for the community since 2004, my first ever hands-on with Linux was on their 04.10 release.)
Either way I just can't see myself recommending any of those Top 5 to people who just want to use a PC reliably. And if I'm going to be the one they turn to with their problems I don't want those to potentially be about system-level breakages. When filtering by the "Immutable" tag on Distrowatch it seems that they just bunch those spins into their main distros like Ubuntu, Fedora and SUSE. I guess you can say VanillaOS is niche in comparison, but Fedora Silverblue is basically an immutable version of a well established distribution with Red Hat backing no less. And once it is set up like my pilot is now it works just fine. I guess the plan now is to keep that installation running and see how it behaves across updates/upgrades and such.
But we know why Snaps and Flatpaks started existing. I also think they are architecturally ugly.
And I think you have a point in terms of patches potentially coming too slowly onto an immutable system. But that problem isn't an inherent one, it's just a problem if distribution updates are slow because community support is lacking. At which point you're just trying to compare Open Source to Proprietary solutions where support is explicitly paid for. I'll trust a year old Linux kernel over the latest and greatest Windows release any day.
Actually I both do and do not understand why they exist. I use Debian based distros and do not use either well except when I am using Ubuntu which is forcing more and more snaps.
I do actually use exactly one appimage. I use to use the snap but found it was not that stable. One also generally has to have relatively new distro releases too as both flatpack and snap need to be fairly current which can be problem for near EOL Debian stable. Hence neither flatpack nor snap is that portable.
Where flatpacks and snaps look a lot better is smaller distros with smaller repos. Hence, not that interesting for Debian based distros.
Yeah I love linux, but it's user experience , while light years ahead of what I used in the late nineties and early aughts, is still clunky compared to others.
That being said, honestly most of linux's issues are GUI related, when it comes to going mainstream. The capabilities and efficiency are far ahead of windows and mac os but most users don't care.
Directions, examples and mundane work should all be seamless for mainstream consumers.
A good rule of thumb is, " if a user has to look for it to fix it, or open a terminal window to install software, then it won't be accepted fully.
Mainstream users don't want to type commands in a prompt. Why does everyone think windows blew DOS out of the water in sales? It wasn't because DOS wasn't working. It was, hell early windows ( I started on 3.11 so that's my limit of knowledge ) still used DOS.
So bottom line. Start putting the non tech consumer first or we'll forever be stuck in this "almost mainstream" category forever.
I donβt see them as mutually exclusive - canβt Linux be user friendly for the non-techie while also offering a techie lots of flexibility and command-line joy? π€·ββοΈ
They can and should. But they don't. They really only cater to the techie, because that's who uses it
Then they got pissed when their "marketing" efforts fall shorts.
Stop acting like non Linux users are dumb. They aren't. they've used the time others spent learning other thing, while others spent their time on techie things . Their priorities were different. Or maybe their poor and don't care about that as they need a PC but have to work 80 hours to feed their family.
But no. Instead of making life better through foss for those who need it, you're making Linux some unattainable nerd toy.
We can tell ourselves we don't care. But we do. Or the thread wouldn't be here
Oh look. Yet another post demanding things from a volunteer-based community without actually volunteering their own time to work on solving the problem they're insisting needs solving.
I'm sure these demands will totally make a difference in ways that putting their time into actually writing code wouldn't.
ROFL. Kiddo, I've been contributing to OSS for over two decades. The day I start caring about what non-contributors think is the day I stop writing code. Either show up with patches or STFU.
I think it should be encouraged for non technical users to share their insights regarding UI/UX. People who are skilled in building applications often donβt have great skills in that area anyway. Actual UI/UX specialists are even harder to come by it seems.
The issue with this video is that it doesnβt bring in a ton of new insight. Issues regarding the variety of package management solutions are well know for example, and some distros are already solving this by having system packages and flatpaks managed by the same installer.
Correct. There are actual efforts going on to resolve those issues. Which begs the question, why post vague exhortations for people to "do something" about this, rather than focusing the efforts in places where it will make a difference?
This isn't a post saying "hey, come to this project and pitch in." This post is just bitching into the ether and then some folks getting butthurt when the pointless performative nonsense is called out for what it is.
Posts like this one happen on a near-daily basis all across FOSS mailing lists. It's trivial to find numerous, often young, often inexperienced people who think their idea is the one that "fixes everything". These people reason that everyone should fall over one another to put effort into their magical idea once they see the obviousness and correctness of the idea. Clearly, it's simply incorrect to find fault in an obviously perfect idea such as this one.
It's just so weird that literally none of the people with these amazing ideas are the ones doing a "git init" and getting started on the work of actually implementing their amazing ideas. Bizarre how so many spectacular, world-changing ideas need to be worked on by literally anyone BUT their champion. What a horrible world we must live in filled with nasty, evil people who simply won't volunteer their personal time when we should feel so blessed with this holy relic of an idea.
I don't know what you mean that I want to be thought of as special, I'm in IT, not software development, and I don't contribute to code so these "special" people wouldn't include me.
Edit: Also, most paid products do the same thing so you should be paid for those as well. You get function from FOSS software and thus it is a used product. If it isn't functioning you swap to a better one, maybe a paid one, or circumvent the functionality. The thing is with FOSS the feedback is part can be code suggestions. I personally don't do it as all the FOSS software I use I tend to be happy enough with it. However, if something is truly that mission critical for you to use the software, you can contribute. I have friends who have done so. Also just about every software I use takes feedback and suggestions. What makes FOSS special is the ability to contribute when the suggestions you want to see are not the priority. I have had an MS Teams bug I've been dealing with for several users for going on a year now and MS has told me to kick rocks, I don't have much more to do from there. For FOSS, I could try to directly implement the solution, or fork the project to meet my needs. There are dozens of projects that have come into existence because of this principle and it is one of the core parts of FOSS software. I wasn't being smug, I was being very genuine in that you are a user benefiting from the software. Obviously, if someone wants their FOSS software as widely adopted as possible they will cater to their users. Many FOSS products don't operate on that principle though, particularly smaller ones that are for needs the developer had and everything else is secondary. In those cases, often someone else will come along and fork it and create their own version. It's one of the benefits of FOSS.
"shit just works" I'm sorry but you're fucking high if you think shit just works on linux. Every problem is a rabbit hole of 3 new problems with 3 more new problems.
I am by no means saying windows is any good, or any better necessarily. But this "Linux works great and is easy to use" is a load of shit and I'm sick of hearing it.
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in reply to Override4414 • • •I think I would stay away from Synology in general these days, after this:
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There are plenty of DIY NAS solutions available and I'd just use one.
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