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> Thing from the 20th century that killed millions of people was actually good and should be tried again and the only reason it failed was because of reasons (Jews, never been tried, ww2, ...) not because it's actually a terrible idea. Also I have no interest in slightly more moderate governments which had many of the same principles but actually survived more than a few decades and were not a massive blood bath.
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in reply to Konstruct 🦈 • • •I am not against AI as a concept as I think machine learning programs can be useful for many tasks. I don't want to completely discredit an entire section of computer science research. I have even written some of my own machine learning programs.
But it is true that many companies at the moment are not behaving ethically in many aspects, like making their machine learning models proprietary and only usable behind a proprietary SaaSS API and lying to public about what their programs are capable of. I obviously do not support companies such as OpenAI, Twitter, Google or Facebook.
Of course the scraping they do is terrible too. It is essentially a DDOS attack and the companies doing this should be taking to court as conducting DDOS attacks is literally illegal in most parts of the world.
However I also think Anubis as a countermeasure is quite unacceptable for regular users just trying to read a website. It requires me to enable javascript and it also requires me to disable the JShelter browser addon (which is supposed to prevent malware from running on your machine). So what Anubis is doing is equivalent to malware, even though that is not the intend.
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in reply to SuperDicq • • •And even though it could be hijacked to make it malware, the people who use Anubis set it up themselves, and they obviously won't just let malware run on *their own website*. Overall, you're extremely unlikely to be up against malware with Anubis. If you're still worried, you should blame the scrapers, not the users of Anubis. Scraping costs them A LOT. They're doing this as self-defense and preservation.
GitHub - TecharoHQ/anubis: Weighs the soul of incoming HTTP requests to stop AI crawlers
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in reply to Konstruct 🦈 • • •I do not want my computer to process a useless hash algorithm (which sometimes up to 2 minutes on my slower machines).
If you install Anubis, you're forcing me to run software on my computer that I don't want to run.
So even though there is no malicious intend, you're making me do things I don't want to do. I consider that malware.
SuperDicq
in reply to SuperDicq • • •If a website would require you to mine bitcoin for 2 minutes in order to access it that would be considered unacceptable.
So why is it suddenly considered acceptable in this case?
It is essentially the same result for the end user, their computing is doing things the user doesn't want it to do.
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in reply to SuperDicq • • •You need to understand that whatever tests you can make a scraper do, AI companies will try to (by)pass them. The only known solution to this problem that's available RIGHT NOW, because hosters need it to stop NOW, not after they figure out a new way to block scrapers, is Anubis. Hosters don't have the resources to jump method-to-method, test to test, block to block as soon as the thing they use gets inevitably passed by scrapers. They need something that WORKS and will KEEP working. Overall, I think you don't measure how much stress (financial, or resource-wise) this is putting on hosters. They are resorting to Anubis knowing that it's slow. They just can't afford to do anything else. To come back to the dilemma : you can only use Anubis, or make scrapers stop by getting their attention.
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in reply to Konstruct 🦈 • • •indeed, it isn't requiring you to mine bitcoin. it's worse: it's requiring you to waste your computing resources, so that the site doesn't have to waste fewer resources of its own. proof of waste is an overall environmental, security and freedom loss. blog.lx.oliva.nom.br/2025-03-2…
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against proof of waste
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