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Eniko Fox
in reply to Eniko Fox • • •I also do not need to hear from people who can't understand the cognitive load difference between writing code yourself and trying to understand code someone, or *something*, else wrote. Especially when the something else will be able to slip in little bugs that are easy to overlook and which no human coder, not even the most junior, would ever put in there
This is a post about that Ptacek article some people think has some good points for some baffling reason (it doesn't)
Eniko Fox
in reply to Eniko Fox • • •woodland creature
in reply to Eniko Fox • • •Eniko Fox
in reply to Eniko Fox • • •Also, and I can't believe I'm going to actually deconstruct his arguments further, fucking linters and unit tests? Really?? Putting aside your AI is writing said unit tests so you have no idea what it's testing for, these are tools designed for catching the occasional human flub. They were *not* designed to hold back a tidal wave of sewage such as the one produced by LLMs
Like idk how to tell you this but you can easily introduce bugs that the linter and unit tests won't catch
Shocking, I know
Eniko Fox
in reply to Eniko Fox • • •Me sending a thousand AI-driven Mac trucks onto the road: it's fine actually if they do something stupid the guardrails will stop them
*watches a truck slam clean through a guardrail and plummet into a ravine leaving a large mushroom cloud*
Ah. Well. Nevertheless
Eniko Fox
in reply to Eniko Fox • • •Eniko Fox
in reply to Eniko Fox • • •Honestly I think there's a disconnect between LLM proponents when it comes to code and the rest of us. They see code as a purely mechanical thing, and so ripe for automation. To them claims of artistry and craft are something to roll your eyes at, arrogance from senior engineers who think too highly of themselves
Meanwhile said senior engineers have the decades of experience to know how much of programming relies on artistry and craft, how much of it is fundamentally a creative endeavor
woodland creature
in reply to Eniko Fox • • •aetiosの日本語を直して下さい🙇♀️
in reply to Eniko Fox • • •yelling jackal
in reply to Eniko Fox • • •nothing in that article addressed one of my main concerns: how much money and energy it costs. In theory using agents seems like a fun experiment, but ... no one's telling me how much that costs! The main positive that is being touted is that it does it for you and you can ignore it and let it do its work in the background, but how much is that costing?? And how much of that cost is currently subsidised to heck because the suppliers want adoption?
It's like everyone really wants to pretend like energy and computing power comes from nothing and is free.
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in reply to Eniko Fox • • •In fact, over time it's easy to train an algorithm to generate such bugs more efficiently, especially if you have access to the tests!
Hmm... that might actually be useful for measuring your test quality...
Efi (nap pet) 🦊💤
in reply to Eniko Fox • • •Andy
in reply to Eniko Fox • • •Interjection here on "small bugs that can't be catched"
Newer AI things have the ability to run unit tests (or see the results of them at least) too, and they will write code that gets them to pass again.
Whatever it takes.
Which basically creates a potentially horrifying set of tests/""fixed"" tests which creates an even bigger state of uncertainty.
The Seven Voyages Of Steve
in reply to Eniko Fox • • •cuddle puddle
in reply to Eniko Fox • • •nadja
in reply to Eniko Fox • • •the moment the tooling / testing is so strict it could potentially hold back at least some LLM sewage the LLM has absolutely no chance to puke valid code in that language anymore.
This is a post about Rust I guess?
Ben from CDS
in reply to Eniko Fox • • •The 500 Hats of LambdaCalculus
in reply to Eniko Fox • • •$150/hour? Oh, no no no... that's only the rate I charge for when it's human written code to be fixed.
AI generated code? $5,000 a *DAY*. Minimum 1 week up front.
sabik
in reply to Eniko Fox • • •mr_tenor
in reply to Eniko Fox • • •I imagine this due to the non-programmer misunderstanding that "code" is some fungible output product.
Either "people make the stuff" or "a machine makes the stuff" and either way you have the stuff, job done.
Jean-Christophe Helary
in reply to Eniko Fox • • •Sin Vega
in reply to Eniko Fox • • •sounds, and this wouldn't surprise me, similar to regular editing. In that it's a distinct skill from writing, and that however good an editor you are, you can't edit everyone's work. You can only edit effectively when you understand the whole of a work, not just individual sentences. And even that takes time, work, empathy, and imagination.
And with code, you also need to get several kinds of logic (some quite non-linear, I'd imagine) on top
Efi (nap pet) 🦊💤
in reply to Eniko Fox • • •Martin's pipe dreams
in reply to Eniko Fox • • •Woke Leftist Trash
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