Multiple Fires Hit Industrial Zones in Israeli Occupied Territories tn.ai/3355331
Multiple Fires Hit Industrial Zones in Israeli Occupied Territories
TEHRAN (Tasnim) – A wave of unexplained fires and explosions has struck industrial areas across Israeli-occupied territories since the onset of the 12-day war, highlighting growing instability in the regime’s critical infrastructure.Tasnim News Agency
Bilal Barakat 🍉
Unknown parent • • •@lax
That they bent over backwards not to offend Israel, incl. not even complaining about de facto annexation of their territory, and in exchange they get death threats and their capital bombed. That the Syrian regime persecutes minorities is neither here nor there in this context. The notion that Israel is acting as protector of the Syrian Druze is ludicrous on the face of it. Not that you were necessarily making that claim.
Bilal Barakat 🍉
Unknown parent • • •@lax
Answering your various points here in one place.
I did not in any way, shape, or form suggest that anything "justifies" the Jolani regime's actions towards minorities. What I am saying is that those actions are not a relevant factor in explaining or understanding the dynamics of its relationship with Israel.
And with respect to that, I'm not just saying that it's ludicrous to suggest Netanyahu is protecting the Druze for the right reasons, I'm saying it's ludicrous to suggest he is protecting them at all.
You are absolutely free to disagree with that assessment, whether on insight or wishful thinking, of course. But that is what I am actually saying, not more, not less.
Bilal Barakat 🍉
Unknown parent • • •@lax
What I mean by that is: It is neither the intent nor the effect of Israel's intervention to protect the Druze community.
It might well be a topic in Israeli domestic policy debates, but I hope we both understand that Israeli domestic policy debates are not in any way constrained by actual reality. If Jolani was handing out puppies to Druze community, Netanyahu would claim a need to protect them if it suited him, and if Jolani slit their throats with his own hands Netanyahu would pretend it's not happening or that there's nothing to be done about it if it suits him.
As I said, it's your prerogative to disagree.
Bilal Barakat 🍉
Unknown parent • • •@lax
The EU declaring human rights to be relevant for its relationship with Saudi Arabia •makes• them relevant in practice? Really, that's the claim?
Bilal Barakat 🍉
Unknown parent • • •@lax
You were explicitly making that point in general, abstract terms.
And if you consider lip service that both sides recognise and treat as such as "relevant" then your understanding of that term is different from one. How do human rights concerns affect the ⋅manifest, material⋅ relationship between the EU and Saudi Arabia, do you think?
Bilal Barakat 🍉
Unknown parent • • •@lax
Are you implying that Israeli public debates about the occupied Palestinian territories are reality-based? That its debates about its international diplomatic standing are reality-based?... Israeli discourse takes place in a parallel universe.
I was not, and have no intention on commenting what Israel "should" be doing, other than stop behaving like a rogue lawless actor. "Humanitarian intervention" is a fraught concept, conceptually and practically. But if there are any certainties in that debate, it's that ethno-suprematist, expansionist, and revanchist actors reserving the right to bomb any and all countries in the region at will and illegally occupying parts of the country in question can not be trusted to be acting in good faith or to perform interventions that in any way improve the situation.
There actually is a process for trying to get an internationally legitimised military intervention going to save a minority from being wiped out. Think about why Israel shows zero interest in pursuing that process.
Bilal Barakat 🍉
Unknown parent • • •@lax
The point that one side "declaring something to be relevant” makes it relevant.
Sorry, the other thing is a typo. It should read "different from MINE". The first part parses as: If you consider as relevant lip-service-that-both-sides-recognise-and-treat-as-such...
Bilal Barakat 🍉
Unknown parent • • •@lax
Ok, again, for the record: you think that Israeli public debates about the West Bank are reality-based?
And you think it's reality-based to think that random UN staff from Cambodia, say, "hate" Israel? As opposed to, say, have no particular feelings about Israel per se and are merely making professional assessments based on established standards?
Bilal Barakat 🍉
Unknown parent • • •@lax
My OP observed that Jolani tried to please Israel and was bombed regardless.
You can ⋅infer⋅ whatever the hell you want from that, but the words on the page if anything were a comment on what everyone ELSE should do, namely, not bother trying to befriend Israel, not a comment on what Israel should do.
If you want a comment on what Israel should do:
Get the fuck off its neighbour's territories, stop bombing everyone, stop mass murdering people, extradite your own mass murderers to The Hague, disavow ethno-supremacism, pay reparations, etc.
Bilal Barakat 🍉
Unknown parent • • •@lax
Now you’re just embarrassing yourself.
I think it's fair to say this conversation has run its course.
It's clear now why you can't see the parallel universe: you're inside it. In the actual, empirical reality experience by everyone else, literally not one of those claims is even remotely true, as even a passing familiarity with the facts would make obvious.
Bye now.