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@nanook Modernity has much less individualism due to technology. People are cheaper to manipulate and distract and are willing to accept their slavery as long as they have a new phone, video game console and a food delivery.
@OneEyeKing Hmm, that's an interesting assertion, but many cultures have had a strong emphasis on social compliance well before the introduction of modern technology, so I think the relationship is a bit more nuanced. I don't think it's so much that technology eliminates or even reduces individualism as it is that it perpetuates and propagates cultural trends.
@nanook I don't think that it was ever possible to divide people into such a distinctive two groups without a major kinetic conflict. It can only be achieved by emotional hacking through hijacking of information. TV news is outdated. Now most people receive news based on the echo chamber they subscribe to which muffles any contradicting ideas. There is very little deviation and individualism. It's all emotionally based tribalism. This was never the case. Also feminism strengthened it.
@OneEyeKing I guess I'd be in a better position to agree or disagree if you were more explicit with regard to what "two groups" you are referring to, even without specifying it suggests a binary thinking mode that is not in line with a much more complex and nuanced reality. That TV news is outdated, well at least there is one thing we can agree upon. There are many echo chambers as you say and so there is not the widespread agreement that you think exists. Yes I will concur emotional tribalism is real and is problematic.
Thomas Sowell talks a lot about "culture", but fails to admit that culture is also blood-feud, and convictions, and responsible to wiping out entire Civilizations. Thomas Sowell is not a very smart dude.
Western Civilization is building an ethical, not a cultural Society. Something the ancients - Greece and Rome - started building. Of course they fallen into complacence, and decadence, and Thomas Sowell is correct on that record.
Yet the fact that we are building a Civilization - not a "cluture", not "society", not "code"... escapes him.
Thomas Sowell is not ignorant, not stupid. He's your average dude who has not figured it out how to fix broken things, so he is putting extraordinary efforts into it.
"Culture" wiped out the entire South American structure of Civilizations. Not just one nations, one tribe, one race - but basically re-written History.
There has been never critical views to "culture", such as that modern civilization shall never affect indigenous people... oh, wait.
It took us thousands of years of "evolution" to realize that "culture" is more destructive than the hydrogen bomb.
I rest my case, and I wish Thomas Sowell would stop hawking about it.
The relevancy is that some things are not broken, and they do not need fixing. The fact that there are tyrants, the rich and poor, and other extremes is not an exception. Its not something broken.
Have you ever seen a tornado constructing a condo, how come all we ever see is tornadoes deconstructing them? Only a fool complains about tornadoes in that context.
How come its always the poor who wants to "re-distribute wealth"? How come the rich is not protesting on the streets for being obstructed in their wealth re-distribution efforts?
Half of what Aristotle stated has to do with the struggle over limited resources, but 2300 years ago the concept of "limited resources" was not in the text books. So smart and curious people created these cumbersome revelations about the same fundamental fact.
I brought up Thomas Sowell because a lot of memes keep quoting him.
Its only commerce, the market, its business that is fully aligned with the governing forces of limited resources. NONE of the other cultural and civilizational institutions matter anymore. I saw in the last few decades how Law, Education, Arts has been subverted by activists, and all those institutions are now on the verge of collapse.
Everything can be re-imagined except profit. What makes one person successful, and the other person a failure is their capacity to recognize this. Unless you are "gainfully employed" you will not likely to succeed.
Unless of course your are a sociopath, a criminal, a professional victim and a grifter, and so on. Or a warlord, a tryrant.
@FourOh-LLC @OneEyeKing Ok, and I can understand that you disagree with him on many things, but I do not understand your assertion that he was unintelligent. One generally doesn't get a PHD if one is unintelligent.
I did not call him unintelligent, I called him average who is putting out some extraordinary effort, but most of it is wasted on me, and others like me. The same goes for Aristotle, as I already explained.
I think people like Thomas Sowell would do better with deconstructing something that would directly benefit "Humanity" like Islam, Communism, Activism. These are parasitic institutions, and I'm convinced we could get rid of the social and economic classes of people who are promoting them. Again, these are not something you can or want to "destroy" or "fix", but something you want to clearly describe for what they truly are - parasitic institutions.
By the way, you CAN get a law degree, a PhD, even a Noble price with low IQ. You CAN become a business mogul with low IQ. You can be very effective in a great many ways with low IQ.
We managed to described a great many destructive things such as false advertisement, predatory lending, monopoly. The reason we are able to describe them is because they are all involved with financial transactions, dollars and cents, without any rounding errors.
Describing why Activism or Communism is parasitic may be done the same way, as both of these are bottom-less money pits never building any tangible wealth.
Islam is the same way, and to me the visit by Trump was an eye-opener. The wealth of the emirates is based on natural resources, based on depleting them. Trump brought them the idea of Commerce, in intellectual assets, a wealth-building not resource-depleting proposal.
I did not vote for Trump because of politics, I voted for him because of his constructive ideas.
@FourOh-LLC @OneEyeKing I guess we get into perhaps needing to redefine what IQ means and that's a subject for endless debate. That said, while I do not agree with much of what Thomas Sowell has to say, I none the less do not dismiss him as remotely average, if he were he'd be a lot less effective at spreading his ideas than he has been.
"many ethical norms" are also not cultural. Ethics are tolerated, not celebrated. US Politicians visiting "culturally entrenched regions" wearing signifying outfits are fucking tolerated.
Sorry for the outburst, but ethics are a necessity and culture is a menace to Civilization.
Nanook
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in reply to Nanook • • •DrFell (Disgruntled Citizen)✅️ reshared this.
FourOh-LLC
in reply to OneEyeKing • • •Women CREATED this.
This is why so putrid, invalid,unnatural and void. I can smell rotting vaginas all over the agendas.
This is not political anymore, this is activism. Deranged and repulsive activism.
OneEyeKing
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in reply to OneEyeKing • •FourOh-LLC
in reply to OneEyeKing • • •I doubt the framing.
First of all, I doubt Aristotle was ever saying that in the proposed context.
Next, I doubt it ever matters. Saying "fire will burn you" a few times it matters. Then its all just comedy.
Of course it matters what was said when it was a discovery. Beyond that, just look around. It matters the least.
FourOh-LLC
in reply to FourOh-LLC • • •Thomas Sowell talks a lot about "culture", but fails to admit that culture is also blood-feud, and convictions, and responsible to wiping out entire Civilizations. Thomas Sowell is not a very smart dude.
Western Civilization is building an ethical, not a cultural Society. Something the ancients - Greece and Rome - started building. Of course they fallen into complacence, and decadence, and Thomas Sowell is correct on that record.
Yet the fact that we are building a Civilization - not a "cluture", not "society", not "code"... escapes him.
Thomas Sowell is not ignorant, not stupid. He's your average dude who has not figured it out how to fix broken things, so he is putting extraordinary efforts into it.
FourOh-LLC
in reply to FourOh-LLC • • •"Culture" wiped out the entire South American structure of Civilizations. Not just one nations, one tribe, one race - but basically re-written History.
There has been never critical views to "culture", such as that modern civilization shall never affect indigenous people... oh, wait.
It took us thousands of years of "evolution" to realize that "culture" is more destructive than the hydrogen bomb.
I rest my case, and I wish Thomas Sowell would stop hawking about it.
Nanook
in reply to FourOh-LLC • •FourOh-LLC
in reply to Nanook • • •Business ethics, for example, does not require revenge-killings.
Well, they might, but ethics and etiquette does not require revenge killing in general.
Cultural Societies are not going to debate over the same.
Nanook
in reply to FourOh-LLC • •FourOh-LLC
in reply to Nanook • • •The relevancy is that some things are not broken, and they do not need fixing. The fact that there are tyrants, the rich and poor, and other extremes is not an exception. Its not something broken.
Have you ever seen a tornado constructing a condo, how come all we ever see is tornadoes deconstructing them? Only a fool complains about tornadoes in that context.
How come its always the poor who wants to "re-distribute wealth"? How come the rich is not protesting on the streets for being obstructed in their wealth re-distribution efforts?
Half of what Aristotle stated has to do with the struggle over limited resources, but 2300 years ago the concept of "limited resources" was not in the text books. So smart and curious people created these cumbersome revelations about the same fundamental fact.
I'm grokking here..
Nanook
in reply to FourOh-LLC • •FourOh-LLC
in reply to Nanook • • •I brought up Thomas Sowell because a lot of memes keep quoting him.
Its only commerce, the market, its business that is fully aligned with the governing forces of limited resources. NONE of the other cultural and civilizational institutions matter anymore. I saw in the last few decades how Law, Education, Arts has been subverted by activists, and all those institutions are now on the verge of collapse.
Everything can be re-imagined except profit. What makes one person successful, and the other person a failure is their capacity to recognize this. Unless you are "gainfully employed" you will not likely to succeed.
Unless of course your are a sociopath, a criminal, a professional victim and a grifter, and so on. Or a warlord, a tryrant.
Nanook
in reply to FourOh-LLC • •FourOh-LLC
in reply to Nanook • • •I did not call him unintelligent, I called him average who is putting out some extraordinary effort, but most of it is wasted on me, and others like me. The same goes for Aristotle, as I already explained.
I think people like Thomas Sowell would do better with deconstructing something that would directly benefit "Humanity" like Islam, Communism, Activism. These are parasitic institutions, and I'm convinced we could get rid of the social and economic classes of people who are promoting them. Again, these are not something you can or want to "destroy" or "fix", but something you want to clearly describe for what they truly are - parasitic institutions.
By the way, you CAN get a law degree, a PhD, even a Noble price with low IQ. You CAN become a business mogul with low IQ. You can be very effective in a great many ways with low IQ.
FourOh-LLC
in reply to FourOh-LLC • • •We managed to described a great many destructive things such as false advertisement, predatory lending, monopoly. The reason we are able to describe them is because they are all involved with financial transactions, dollars and cents, without any rounding errors.
Describing why Activism or Communism is parasitic may be done the same way, as both of these are bottom-less money pits never building any tangible wealth.
Islam is the same way, and to me the visit by Trump was an eye-opener. The wealth of the emirates is based on natural resources, based on depleting them. Trump brought them the idea of Commerce, in intellectual assets, a wealth-building not resource-depleting proposal.
I did not vote for Trump because of politics, I voted for him because of his constructive ideas.
Nanook
in reply to FourOh-LLC • •FourOh-LLC
in reply to Nanook • • •"many ethical norms" are also not cultural.
Ethics are tolerated, not celebrated. US Politicians visiting "culturally entrenched regions" wearing signifying outfits are fucking tolerated.
Sorry for the outburst, but ethics are a necessity and culture is a menace to Civilization.