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@haui we've never had a perfect president and we likely never will. obama did a lot of nuking of muslims but he did it a lot less than trump currently is. and in addition to being a better president in myriad other ways, crucially for the purposes of this discussion, he also treated putin with the lack of respect a dictator deserves. i say, in this particular issue, yes he is.
@AVincentInSpace I'm really sorry but come on, we are not as stupid as Americans.
"US President Barack Obama hosted youthful Saudi Arabian Prince Mohammed bin Salman at the White House on Friday, underscoring his guest's meteoric rise and increasingly pivotal role in managing strained US-Saudi ties.
Bin Salman, the king's son and the country's defence minister, has met the biggest of Washington's big hitters during a week-long visit.
He held talks with the CIA director, the secretaries of state, defense, treasury, commerce and energy as well as leading members of Congress.
His meeting with Obama took place in the Oval Office, a rare honor for a non-head of state, one not afforded to the Dalai Lama earlier in the week." middleeasteye.net/news/obama-m…
2 years later: "The CIA has concluded that Saudi Crown Prince Mohammed bin Salman personally ordered the killing of journalist Jamal Khashoggi, despite the Saudi government’s denials that the de facto ruler was involved, according to a senior US official and a source familiar with the matter." edition.cnn.com/2018/11/16/pol…
Don't fall in the imperialist bullshit. @Strandjunker profoundly serves an (warmongering) agenda, don't fall to that. Trump is egomaniac, but all the US pr. served the bloodshed of the world for the profit of empire.
US President Barack Obama hosted youthful Saudi Arabian Prince Mohammed bin Salman at the White House on Friday, underscoring his guest's meteoric rise and increasingly pivotal role in managing strained US-Saudi ties.
"yeah, obama was bad, especially in the middle east, but trump is way worse, especially with regard to putin, which is what this post is about, so it's reasonable to look to obama *with regard to putin*"
"oh yeah? well here's a bad thing obama did in the middle east! check mate!"
leftists are infamous for not reading an entire comment before replying to it but this is a new low
@AVincentInSpace you call Putin a dictator while there is Trump on the same seat in the USA. We have a problem of basic understanding of politics. We have a basic problem of acknowledge of what American Presidents represent. We have another problem of "playing with the images". And in the end I'm the one who didn't read what you write? The most serious problem is that I give energy to answer seriously to another person who thinks that their president should be superior in front of other leaders, to be able to dominate the rest of the world and finally to be a respected Ruler. Ok, I know there are some benefits for this way of thinking (of the slaves) but the whole mindset needs a format. @haui
@prolrage I dont think it is worth it to engage any further. The person obviously has no idea what they are talking about and tries to spin their mistake as a win against the "evil leftists".
Reality check: america is one of the worst countries in the entire world by a huge margin. Not only a settler colony that genocided their way to white rule, also supporting most dictatorships and even posting openly about it.
And people without brains talking on mastodon. Good night. @AVincentInSpace
Proletarian Rage
in reply to Andrea Junker • • •haui
in reply to Andrea Junker • • •Vincent Sparks
in reply to haui • • •Proletarian Rage
in reply to Vincent Sparks • • •@AVincentInSpace
I'm really sorry but come on, we are not as stupid as Americans.
"US President Barack Obama hosted youthful Saudi Arabian Prince Mohammed bin Salman at the White House on Friday, underscoring his guest's meteoric rise and increasingly pivotal role in managing strained US-Saudi ties.
Bin Salman, the king's son and the country's defence minister, has met the biggest of Washington's big hitters during a week-long visit.
He held talks with the CIA director, the secretaries of state, defense, treasury, commerce and energy as well as leading members of Congress.
His meeting with Obama took place in the Oval Office, a rare honor for a non-head of state, one not afforded to the Dalai Lama earlier in the week." middleeasteye.net/news/obama-m…
2 years later: "The CIA has concluded that Saudi Crown Prince Mohammed bin Salman personally ordered the killing of journalist Jamal Khashoggi, despite the Saudi government’s denials that the de facto ruler was involved, according to a senior US official and a source familiar with the matter."
edition.cnn.com/2018/11/16/pol…
Don't fall in the imperialist bullshit. @Strandjunker profoundly serves an (warmongering) agenda, don't fall to that. Trump is egomaniac, but all the US pr. served the bloodshed of the world for the profit of empire.
@haui
Obama meets influential young Saudi prince to improve relations
MEE and agencies (Middle East Eye)haui
in reply to Proletarian Rage • • •Thank you. I rest my case.
Vincent Sparks
in reply to Proletarian Rage • • •did you not read my comment at all
"yeah, obama was bad, especially in the middle east, but trump is way worse, especially with regard to putin, which is what this post is about, so it's reasonable to look to obama *with regard to putin*"
"oh yeah? well here's a bad thing obama did in the middle east! check mate!"
leftists are infamous for not reading an entire comment before replying to it but this is a new low
Proletarian Rage
in reply to Vincent Sparks • • •The most serious problem is that I give energy to answer seriously to another person who thinks that their president should be superior in front of other leaders, to be able to dominate the rest of the world and finally to be a respected Ruler. Ok, I know there are some benefits for this way of thinking (of the slaves) but the whole mindset needs a format. @haui
haui
in reply to Proletarian Rage • • •@prolrage
I dont think it is worth it to engage any further. The person obviously has no idea what they are talking about and tries to spin their mistake as a win against the "evil leftists".
Reality check: america is one of the worst countries in the entire world by a huge margin. Not only a settler colony that genocided their way to white rule, also supporting most dictatorships and even posting openly about it.
And people without brains talking on mastodon. Good night.
@AVincentInSpace