Years ago I did a video about "Link NYC" I was mostly concerned about the possibility of surveillance through the cameras. Link NYC is a massive system that puts screens on nearly every block in the city.

Mamdani has been cutting short informative videos about city services for linkNYC. He's using it to tell people things like "if you have a 3 or 4 year old it's time to sign them up for pre-k now"

Maybe he can really do this. No other mayor has used them like this.

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Some observations about how linkNYC is used:

* Emergency calls. This was the main reason something needed to replace the payphones. Even at time of removal payphones were still important for emergencies.

* Information network: the screens can get information to the whole city in an emergency.

* charging phones: they have USB ports where people charge their phones. Some annoying people complain about "homeless people" (how do you know) using them? IDK I've used them in a pinch.

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They have wired internet connections IDK if it is ethernet or just cable.

Each also has a wifi hotspot but it's very slow and annoying to use.

Using the web browser on the little screen is faster, but not very private.

"The cameras are turned off by default, and footage captured from any active cameras is stored for no longer than seven days unless the footage is necessary to investigate an incident."

I think public backlash has lead them to say this.

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Hey, people in other cities than NYC:

1. Do you have a way to charge your phone on the street?

2. Are there municipal information screens? Do they show ads?

3. Can you make a phonecall on the street even if you don't have a cellphone?

  • we have a way to charge phones (5%, 18 votes)
  • we have municipal information screens (10%, 35 votes)
  • can make phonecall on street without cellphone (10%, 36 votes)
  • none of these (82%, 282 votes)
344 voters. Poll end: in 6 days

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Kingston, Ontario, Canada. Smallish city, 133k people. Between Toronto and Ottawa, part of neither.

No real way to charge phones on the street.

We have had municipal WiFi at different times and qualities, but the project hasn't ever lasted very long.

No municipal information screens, just a tourist information place downtown near city hall.

I have seen payphones on occasion in recent years, though most are long gone. You can go into a store and ask to use theirs.

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Our b usses have charging ports and ... based on conversation I heard on bus yesterday, people can get "blocks" to charge their phones from... ("Your next appointment, ask them for a block!" in a convo about all the different options for charging the phone.)
No "municipal info" screens that I know of but there are lots of places (bus terminal, college places) with screens that have alerts for weather and that sort of thing when stuff happens.
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Hmm. I think the backlash to this kind of system being a way to collect data made it not spread to other cities as much.

Because the data is what's really worth the most with this system. The ads are fine, you can raise enough to keep it running and have staff and that's great... but that's not what some of the early supporters were hoping for.

And so they moved on to those wicked traffic cameras and other schemes.

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North Little Rock, AR. Nothing on the street. But phone and charging available in the library (when open), and all the bars/cafés have charging with no questions asked.

City information is a large gentleman named Beaufort, who is officially a cop, but whose title is Ambassador. He and his crew also provide golf cart rides to people who need to get around downtown if they're mobility impaired or if the weather is bad.

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Not a crier, he doesn't have a bell and yell stupid things like "All's Well." when they obviously aren't.

Beaufort and his crew of ambassadors walk / golf cart around downtown most nights, with more when there's an event going on.
They guide tourists to safe (free!) parking, advise about restaurants suitable for your group, tell you what events are coming up, and walk little old ladies across the street to the theatre.

They also generally keep the peace in a way that most cops don't. I've seen them talk down a belligerent drunk, walk him outside and get him an Uber home...along with a card with numbers for several free therapy options.

They have a radio, baton, and a tazer; no body armor, no gun. In 15 years I've seen a baton come out once. It was used on an arm with a knife, not on a head.

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We've got one group of ambassadors for a neighborhood of about 10k people. It's the downtown entertainment district. There's talk about expanding to three groups in other dense, business, or higher crime areas. Each group is roughly 5.

That expansion would make a 4000:1 population to ambassador ratio. So New York would need 2000-2500 total, about 400 of those being supervisors who know the area well.

They need to be visible, lightly armed, and willing to talk and help; rather than confront and escalate.

It's true community policing. Walking around, not driving through.

It would be a hard model to do in NYC, or any large metro. It'd be great, but hard to implement.

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here in the UK we have phone boxes. I guess you'd call them phone booths?

Not nearly as many as there used to be, but they're still a thing.

Municipal info boards are not a standard thing. I don't think we have any in my city. There are lots of ad screens.

I don't think I've ever seen a phone charging point on the street. They're common on busses and trains, but not just out and about.

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london has these (global.com/outdoor/roadside/st…, business.bt.com/public-sector/…) which seem useful but I've never had to use, apparently they're also in other uk cities
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there was a pedal powered phone charger in cambridge MA for a hot sec but it barely counts. there's no formal way to charge phones I know of. there are lots of ad screens in boston and sometimes they have maps on/near them but usually they don't. there are MBTA ads. it's less useful than linkNYC and someone is probably still tracking bluetooth+wifi mac addresses in some more subtle way??
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Suburbs of Adelaide, South Australia. All three.

But given that wireless charging is a feature reserved for high end phones, not sure how useful that is. Local government clearly isn't going to put 240V power on a socket in the street, so their choices are limited. Of course the free local library has power outlets for phone charging.

The info screens are really for beach conditions. We do have other alerting systems run by state (app and road signs) and federal government (SMS). No government is going to push out bushfire information to info screens, they want information direct to people on a phone where people can see a map and extended advice. Even when the radio reads a bushfire notice (twice) the full notice can take several minutes for a big fire.

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@myrmepropagandist I'm not sure about cities, but here in Italy most municipalities, especially the small ones, have something like this

a big dot-matrix display with four rows of text; it is mounted in a street facing location and there is the name of the municipality on top

which tends to have municipal information and be pretty useless, since they only fit a small amount of text; they don't have ads, but they also don't provide power for phones nor a way to call emergency services or anything.

(in the cities there are some places where you can charge phones, but I think those are mostly private and paid for by ads, lots of ads)

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I didn't know that the mayor's office could put announcement on linkNYC. But it seems there is some of the screen time that's allotted to the city.

The last two mayors just couldn't be bothered to put much effort into it.

There were simple text announcements but nothing like the mayor explaining important deadlines.

Which seems like a public relations no-brainer. But it's also more effective at getting people to pay attention.

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The videos were much shorter and catcher than what you linked. They were produced to fit the screen shape, and had big text since there is no sound.

They were short enough you could get the main idea walking by.

These are EVERYWHERE it's the biggest screen network in the city.

They make enough on ads to run the system and it's in good repair even after all these years.

I don't know if I believe them about the cameras being turned off, but link footage has never surfaced.

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Local council renovated the local ferry wharf area.

There are a few of these solar powered charging benches at the waterfront now.

Down the big smoke, in Sydney, there are bus shelters, kiosks, toilets, information panels.

The contact owner pays for the regular cleaning and maintenance and they get to show advertising in return.

But the council also get to display information, event information and the police can have emergency information displayed. Eg NYE or VIVID they might use it to direct people away to other areas that are not over crowded.

The city also has a volunteer ambassador program, that sees people at Circular Quay, and roving around the city, to give advice and knowledge on local landmarks, attractions, transport, shops and restaurants etc.

They also have a town crier.

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