Is the "Year of Linux" actually a trap?
I’ve spent years championing Linux as the only escape from Big Tech, but I’m starting to get twitchy.
While we’re distracted by the Steam Deck making Linux "mainstream," the corporate players and politicians are busy building a digital cage. Between California’s AB-1043 mandates and Microsoft’s "Face Check" infrastructure, I’m worried we’re heading for a hard schism: "Sanitised Linux" vs the "Free Rebel" distros.
If the compliant, age-gated version becomes the industry standard, where does that leave the rest of us? Digital exile?
I’ve put some thoughts together on why the "Golden Cage" is closing in and why education, not mandates, is the only real fix.
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Jeena
in reply to TheIPW • • •I know what you mean, at work right now when you run Linux they don't give you support but they also don't enforce any of the bullshit but skill give you VPN access to the work resources.
On win and Mac they dust disabled USB storage access and there is a to other bullshit going in TN the name of security while everyone uploads their code to openai or anthropic because they're pushing for it
So now I am hidden from IT, when those Sanitized Linux ditros start showing up they will build in the same bullshit as they have from win and Mac now and then I'm fucked, because they will force me to use them
Blakemavrix
in reply to TheIPW • • •I don't think we'll see a "year of Linux" per say, I think we're not likely to see either a decade or generational shift to Linux.
I've been using Windows and Android all my life, so it's what I got used to. I'm in my 30's now and over the last year or so I've slowly been introducing myself to Mint Linux on my laptop for basic web browsing and Ubuntu Linux 24.04 on my home server for hosting my own data. In some ways it's actually a lot easier than I thought it would be, but I'm still learning a new language.
On the one hand I considered myself pretty technically savvy, until I dove head first into Linux and quickly discovered how much I really didn't know. On the other hand, I am learning as I go given enough repetition.
Calfpupa [she/her]
in reply to TheIPW • • •halfdane
in reply to TheIPW • • •How would anyone place a 100% community driven distribution like Debian in such a cage? There's no monetary leverage, the community is truly international, so local laws don't apply .....
Please note that it's also one of the most prolific distributions, and the foundation p.e. for *buntu.
If you're living in an oppressive jurisdiction, your employer might obviously not allow you to use a truly free operating system, but that's hardly Linux's fault.
So if your favorite distribution is starting bullshit, just switch to the next one, there are literally thousands of them. That's why "Year of the Linux desktop" is confusing: it's "year of steamOs" or "year of *buntu", probably even "year of Debian", but most certainly never "year of the nixos desktop".
You have choice. Use it.
TheIPW
in reply to halfdane • • •My real worry isn't that Debian will cave, but that the services we use every day—banks, government sites, DRM-heavy media—will start checking for a "compliant" kernel. If those "invisible borders" get built, you might have a truly free OS that's effectively useless for 90% of the modern web.
It's not about the distro failing; it's about the "compliant" versions becoming the only key to the door. We have the choice now, but the gap between "free" and "functional" is definitely getting wider.
0x0
in reply to TheIPW • • •Reminds me of all the banking apps that rely on Google's "secure" crap to run.
Kuai Nidoba
in reply to halfdane • •Linux reshared this.
0x0
in reply to halfdane • • •By getting the Debian deciding body to approve systemd a while back, for starters.
It's apparently very easy.
Alex
in reply to 0x0 • • •I swear people have rose tinted glasses as to the state of the init system before the current generation of system management daemons.
If you really want to have Debian without systemd there is always Duvean but the Debian architects are free to choose the technologies that solve the very real system orchestration problems that exist.
0x0
in reply to Alex • • •Devuan.
And Slackware, Gentoo, Artix and many others, yes.
No systemd - Resources against systemd and alternatives
nosystemd.orgEggymatrix
in reply to 0x0 • • •0x0
in reply to Eggymatrix • • •Eggymatrix
in reply to 0x0 • • •Usage and contributions data on debian and rhel, the vast majority uses systemd and does not complain about it.
Edit: since you probably don't care about people actually working with linux, a further datapoint is the steam hardware survey.
0x0
in reply to Eggymatrix • • •So, by your own words, everyone who uses systemd and doesn't complain is
so, again, data on this or just keyboard warrioring?
Don't bother answering, we both know the answer.
Bye.
Eggymatrix
in reply to 0x0 • • •It actually helps the discussion if I can understand your point, you might want to add a verb in your first part, I say this as a non english speaker so bear with me.
My data points are public info, I pointed you to where to find them, rtfg.
FoundFootFootage78
in reply to TheIPW • • •I think it's helpful to put some thought into why you use Linux and what you really need from it. I use it primarily for choice, privacy, and to just not be using anything by Microsoft/Apple/Google. Security is nice to have but it's not the reason I'm using Linux, so handing over my photo ID to a third party I trust is an acceptable if disappointing risk.
Sure, my OS will be tied to my ID, but as long as my online traffic isn't that should be fine. If they wanted to monitor my online traffic it would make far more sense to do it at the VPN level instead. Not by having my open source operating system redirect my traffic so that it's associated with my ID.
The big risk is social media requiring proof of ID. Bots are becoming more and more common and proof of ID available at the OS level on Windows, Mac, and Android would be very tempting for social media. That's a different concern though.
TheIPW
in reply to FoundFootFootage78 • • •I think that’s a dangerous assumption to make. If the OS is tied to your physical identity, the 'VPN' layer becomes much less of a shield. Once the kernel level is 'compliant' with an ID check, the metadata being leaked or even the hardware ID itself makes anonymity a lot harder to maintain.
You’re right about the social media risk, but the OS is the foundation. If you give up the keys to the house, it doesn't matter how many extra locks you put on the individual room doors. That 'disappointing risk' is exactly how the 'invisible borders' start getting built.
FoundFootFootage78
in reply to TheIPW • • •Parts of what you just said are not really a proper response to what I said, either because of accuracy or relevance. So I'm just going to address the one important part of what you said, metadata.
I didn't consider metadata because I treat proof of age as what it is, proof of age with proof of identity being incidental. If visiting a website requires handing over my full birthday, "hardware ID", or real identity then I would be concerned, but we're not there yet.
It's a widely held view in the general public that you should be able to browse the internet privately just like you should be able to browse a library without the government seeing a log of every book you read, and I hope that would be enough to resolve this. The general public is not very concerned about browser fingerprinting, which effectively erases user privacy, but government mandated sharing of your identity online would be a red line that would get the normies involved.
TheIPW
in reply to FoundFootFootage78 • • •You’re right that the average person doesn't care about fingerprinting, but that’s exactly the problem. To me, browser fingerprinting isn't just a technical quirk, it’s a violation of privacy that effectively erases your ability to be anonymous, regardless of whether you have a VPN or not.
If we let OS-level ID checks become the standard because people don't care, we’re essentially legitimising that tracking. My red line isn't just a government log of my identity, it’s the fact that the tech is being built to make that log possible in the first place. Once the infrastructure is there, the incidental proof of identity quickly becomes the primary feature.
FoundFootFootage78
in reply to TheIPW • • •Your response again doesn't really follow from what I wrote. It retains some key words but not the ideas.
Browser fingerprinting which exists because the average person can't be bothered concealing it and the theoretical sharing of your ID with the sites you visit due to a government mandate are two entirely different things. The relevant difference is that the government doesn't mandate browser fingerprinting, it exists because it is technologically possible and the mitigation measures are more inconvenient than the average user is willing to deal with.
As for normalizing OS-level ID checks as a slippery slope towards sharing your full ID as part of a HTTP request ... firstly that is not something you can get around with an alternative distro anyway, because it would involve all major websites. Secondly, that is a hypothetical within a hypothetical. Thirdly, if that really is the path that we're on, now is not is not the most effective time to oppose it, because the slippery slope argument is far more persuasive from the bottom of the slope.
EDIT: I think I just did the same thing I accused you of, talking past you. My response basically just rejects your core conceit, that being a distinction between the private power-user experience and the non-private normie experience, and nothing else. I'll need to edit this.
EDIT 2: Okay, fixed.
0x0
in reply to TheIPW • • •With the distros that don't comply, as always.
Lemmchen
in reply to 0x0 • • •0x0
in reply to Lemmchen • • •Change banks. File complaints with them.
Entertainment isn't relevant to me.
cmnybo
in reply to Lemmchen • • •z3rOR0ne
in reply to TheIPW • • •Ive been running Linux for close to a decade now and one thing that I've noticed is rarely brought up in Linux circles is that Linux Kernel Development is heavily funded by major big tech corpos. Examples include Microsoft, Google, Oracle, and IBM.
There is a vested corporate interest in keeping Linux well maintained as it is the OS that underpins the vast majority of corporate server architecture and infrastructure.
I'm not saying Linux development wouldn't exist without them, but imho, Linux certainly wouldn't be as ubiquitous as it is today without this corporate backing. Thusly, it is worth noting that in many ways, we Linux users have not escaped corporate influence simply from switching from Windows or MacOS to Linux.
We've maybe lessened it to some degree, but to think we are somehow immune to the misguided mandates from state governments, like the latest recent age verification laws, is misguided.
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in reply to thingsiplay • • •Dingaling
in reply to TheIPW • • •Year of linux?
Dude, please. I'm on my third decade of the thing already.
technocrit
in reply to TheIPW • • •Here's one way that liberal fascism maintains control:
It's how they got TikTok, etc. It's how they'll try to get Lemmy, Linux, VPNs, etc. The wild part is how many lib "allies" will fully support this.
Yes, it's a trap like everything else. It's another front in the struggle.
thatsnomayo
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in reply to technocrit • • •Eggymatrix
in reply to TheIPW • • •People don't care about this beacuse they will make it so that if you don't ask questions it just works.
In the meantime those of us that need to work in these jurisdictions need to comply with the bullshit so we hope to be able to continue to work with linux, but if that won't be possible we will be forced to write software for microsoft or whatever else in the apple crap.
That is why there will be forks for the hobbyists, but for those that need to actually use a computer to make a living, compliance was always the only creal choice.
And as usual some asshole will come with the usual nazi comparison with compliance, like they did in the other seven posts were the subject was discussed. These people can risk their own family but the way they write, they probably aren't even responsible for themselves
fruitycoder
in reply to TheIPW • • •Their building a Prison System ™️ regardless, open source (e.g. Linux) just offers SOME protections.
We have to do more regardless, but it's still all part of the good fight in my book
Stefen Auris
in reply to TheIPW • • •kittenroar
in reply to TheIPW • • •That stupid Newsom age-gating OS bill is pure political theatre. It won't affect Linux -- too many capitalists would be inconvenienced, and inconveniencing capitalists is the last thing capitalist darling Newsom would do; he couldn't even be bothered to support a modest 5% tax on billionaires.
Linux is here to stay -- it runs the internet. And it will always be customizable, because that's part of what gives it so much value.
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Mangoholic
in reply to TheIPW • • •brax
in reply to TheIPW • • •eldavi
in reply to brax • • •we all have to start somewhere
brax
in reply to eldavi • • •Yes, and we all got by fine with things the way they have mostly been. The last thing we should be advocating for is this stupid trend of removing features and calling it "user friendliness"
Give the user the ability to torch their system - it's up to them whether they want to use things they can't handle or not. Not up to the devs to baby-proof the software and strip abilities away from capable users.
eldavi
in reply to brax • • •brax
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in reply to brax • • •utopiah
in reply to TheIPW • • •I think the "trap" is to believe "we" can "win" once and for all.
Under capitalism (and I'm not suggesting there are better systems, only highlight a core mechanism) there will always be competition to capture value, both customers and lawmakers who (should) protect them.
There are countless examples but one of the most obvious on that topic if Microsoft itself with it's sadly now classic EEE en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Embrace,… of which we can admire the comtemporary version with Github. Initially Github was acquired and no changed, nowadays a lot of basic functionalities, e.g. search within a repository are locked behind a login, there are more and more advertisements for Microsoft other products, e.g. CoPilot. That last product itself is questioning the foundation of free software and open source with its license washing process making unclear who did what, breaking provenance, etc.
The same happened with Google acquiring Android but not locking it down more and more.
The list could grow longer and longer, overall the point is to showcase a pattern : nothing is just "let" alone to grow on its own. It's gradually captured and enshittified until there is nothing left but the name of a project because corporations exist only to extract more money. There is no moral, only an imperative for profit or their death.
So... unfortunately we WILL have to keep on both building AND protecting what's been built so far with newer and more powerful threats. Microsoft, Google, and all large corporations who advertise themselves as allies of free software and open source MUST be judge on what they actually do, not on what they claim.
We have to push back and we will always have to. This year and the next.
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