Cheapest new device that can run linux?
More of a thought exercise/game than anything else. I saw the news that 486 support was getting cut from linux, and I was curious just how cheaply someone could replace a desktop 486 system with something new (provided the device had all the connectivity they needed).
Rules:
- Device must be able to run linux.
- Device should be cheap as possible. A good starting point is probably sub 40usd.
- The device must in someway support a mouse, keyboard, display, and the internet. If adapters are necessary for this connectivity, that cost should be included.
- Power supply should be included in the cost of the device. (in the case of most SBCs this is just the cost of a USB cable and wall wart)
- The device must be new & still in production. I know used devices like laptops would probably have been king here, but I don't think that would be nearly as interesting.
I suspect that SBCs and other arm devices will be the most common suggestions.
I personally know about the Raspberry Pi Zero which can be had for ~$10, and with all the added accessories necessary to make it a full computer (usb splitters, usb power, usb to rj45, storage) it costs around ~$35. Not bad at all but I'm pretty sure we can do even better!
hendrik
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in reply to procapra • • •Phone Finder results - GSMArena.com
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in reply to procapra • • •Not trying to blame anyone, I just wish more ppl prefer old good stuff over new cheap stuff. Sigh.
Recycling those ewaste is a lot more expensive than manufacturing them. Of course that's edge cases, but I think reusing old devices works better(and more environmentally friendly) for most ppl.
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in reply to procapra • • •Raspberry pi?
Edit: also cheap chromebooks
FreeWilliam
in reply to procapra • • •Why must the device be new and still in production? The current devices that are currently in production/new both at that price point (sub 40$) and more expensive (up to 3000$) are consumer grade garbage that will last at most 2 years. They're not repairable, not durable, not built well etc. I personally use a GNU booted Thinkpad X200T /T500 and a GNU booted ASUS KMCA-D8- both running Parabola GNU+Linux-Libre splendisly with the proprietary wifi-card replaced. The cost of the X200T was about 30$ and the T500 was about 20$. I understand that you might not care as much of freedom to get either the X200, X200T, T400, T400s, or T500, but it is important to understand that most of the operating system components you are runnning were made with freedom in mind. If you still don't want to sacrifice performance for a cheap, libre experience, then just get a newer Thinkpad. It's not as libre, but they still could be found (more easily) for very cheap prices. But keep in mind the newer you get the shittier it's going to be. I still suggest the models I reffered to though- esspecially if you want to tinker. You can remove about every component and replace it, and you can replace the BIOS with a fully free bios (GNU Boot).
By the way, most operating system distributions based on Linux as kernel are basically modified versions of the GNU operating system. Richard M Stallman and contributers began developing GNU in 1984, years before Linus Torvalds started to write his kernel. Their goal was to develop a complete free operating system. Of course, they did not develop all the parts themselves—but they led the way. They developed most of the central components, forming the largest single contribution to the whole system. The basic vision was theirs too.
In fairness, the GNU project ought to get at least equal mention.
gnu.org/philosophy/philosophy.…
gnu.org/gnu/gnu.html#gnulinux
gnu.org/gnu/gnu-linux-faq.html
GNU/Linux FAQ - GNU Project - Free Software Foundation
www.gnu.orghexagonwin
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in reply to procapra • • •What I did was I went to the thrift store and I found a laptop. It was the Asus Transformer Book T100han.
I had one when it was new. It was a POS but hey it worked really well in my use case I was thinking of.
Got it home booted it, has Windows 10 1501 installed on it. Refused the update. (The perfect windows machine does exists)
Updated it to 22h2 bricked it by running out of the limited 32GB of storage.
Said screw it got Linux Mint on a USB installer. Installer crashes. Tries Ubuntu… also crashes. Tries OpenSuse, also crashes. Tries Fedora also crashes.
Turns out the installer requires more than 2GB of ram. Laptop only has 2 and it’s soldered. (The e waste special)
Gets Debian installs it. Gets to desktop, no Bluetooth, no audio, but everything else runs better than I ever saw it. Needs older distro.
Gets Q4OS installs fine, runs as well and audio works. No Bluetooth. My very specific use case requires Bluetooth.
Forces myself to go back to windows. No recovery image. Downloads from MS, can’t create media because my PC is on Linux. Boots into VM, makes installer. Installs Windows. No audio no Bluetooth.
Gets drivers from asus website. Everything works but audio. Calls asus support gets drivers. PC is back to when I got it.
Pair Bluetooth controller, installs auto hotkeys, installs libre office. Best teleprompter I’ve ever used.
Shoves into box until it’s needed again.
tiddy
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in reply to procapra • • •Stop looking for cheap new stuff. Buy cheap used stuff. I got a high quality Thinkpad T530 for $99. I got a T15 Gen 1 as well but honestly is worse than the T530 even though it's newer.
My friend got a used computer with a 4th Gen i5 and a 970 for $45. Old but gold. We upgraded the CPU and it runs everything great.
Stop contributing to e-waste and buy used