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As the Linux world increasingly moves towards adopting Wayland in place of X11, there is a serious risk that a third of a century's worth of FOSS desktops and windowing environments would get dropped and left behind. Wayback could prevent that happening, and retain the diversity of choice in GUIs while modernizing the tools upon which they run.
Why do I feel like narrowing down the options would not be that bad? The whole world of Linux is, IMO, in dire need of consolidation behind tried and tested, universally accepted technologies instead of endless number of choices for specific tastes. That is at least the case if Linux aims for desktops (like it now very much should and could with all the Win 11 mess).
There really can’t be half a dozen or more alternatives for any particular task. Two desktop environments for example has to be enough for 99% of users, same with package management systems etc. Otherwise the newbie user will only get scared and confused, or not be able to easily find support relevant to their ”version” of Linux.
Man, we really need to make "The ~~Church~~ Cathedral and the Bazaar" required reading.
You clearly have missed the entire point of Linux, which is the freedom to do with your machine as you like. The endless number of choices for specific tastes is the result of people having the choice to write their own thing.
When consolidation happens, when people say "make my choice for me, I can't make decisions" we end up with super constrained setups like MacOS, Windows 11 and stupid Gnome the way it is now; no choice, do it our way or not at all.
And the answer is still freedom. It's obvious in the plugins and addons for gnome that get it to do basic customizing you find in, say xfce as a toggle in the settings. You find it in the myriad of softwares written for windows and mac that let the user do what they want to do.
And I will likely not be the first to point out to you Linux doesn't "aim for desktops", linux isn't an organization the way ms and apple are. And it likely never will be.
Newbies will be scared and confused no matter what's in front of them.
Why do I feel like narrowing down the options would not be that bad?
Perhaps because you miss Microsoft or Apple? In a rather misdirected way?
Half the point is there are multiple ways to do things - and mind, Windows is like that too (you can get to some settings though the new Control Panel, the old Control Panel, the Regedit, the Powershell...). Just about the only thing in Windows you are forced only one vision of is the desktop itself, but as soon as you double-click an icon, all bets are off.
Also if what you want is getting behind "tried and tested, universally accepted technologies"... that's what sysvinit, ALSA, X11 and automake / build-essentials; no need for systemd, Pulseaudio, Wayland and Snaps. Pulseaudio was basically a stillborn deformed baby whereas I've never seen ALSA fail since 2002 (to the point even today I have to "fix" Flatpak not having audio on Pipewire unless Pulseaudio sits behind it by just seating both of them behind ALSA). I don't even have to begin on Wayland, it started as just vaporware; Systemd is largely an attempt to microsoft-ize Linux system management; and Snaps make me want to snap.
As for newbies... others have addressed the point but honestly, if someone gets scared and whiny at the "choose your starter" screen of the game, they're not gonna last any in a Pokémon game nor would I want them around whining about things they couldn't even be bothered to be here for.
Sooo there's free software (“Everyone should be able to write open source software!”) and there's open source software (people programming their own computers for their own communities). Ideally, Neima should be able to program her computer to help her kids do their homework or for their sports club. So there's open source software that's written for the developers community, and there's open source software that's written for the GNOME community, which is polished and truly a delightful experience for new users: if for example you installed Linux Mint with Cinnamon, you'd connect to the wifi and probably be immediately greeted with a notification telling you that your printer has been added and is ready to go.
I'm not saying that Linux users should learn programming, especially if they don't know about e.g.GNU Guix, Skribe/Skribilo/Haunt, or SICP (that's directly referenced by the Haunt info pages – I promise you, starting a blog as an English speaker with a Skribe implementation and reading SICP once you get comfortable enough could get you started in months); but that of course, learning any field on such a platform as Stack Overflow would provide an absolutely stupid experience, whereas the ideal learning medium is books.
It isn't enough for Google to insert far-right suggestions in YouTube shorts; they've deliberately sabotaged features in their search engine to get us to generate more ads, and Google Scholar results are, by the way, the bottom of the barrel too. Compare queries results to "sex work" or "borderline disorder transgender" with those of HAL and wonder why there's a public distrust in science. More broadly, Google hinders our relationship to information, and we're both trading it for a far-right agenda.
The same is just as true for LaTeX: it's a great, intuitive language, provided that you read some good introduction on the topic. As a matter of fact, Maïeul Rouquette's French-speaking book is available for free on HAL.
I'm more and more fed up as I write that and I'm pretty sure it shows. You may totally use open source software, meant for the non-technical community of a graphical library, desktop environment, Linux distribution, and so forth. But if you really wanted to "learn Linux", please install any distro you're comfortable with and read some good book on whatever topic you want to work on.
As you can see in the screenshot there are a couple of parts of the F-Droid application page in F-Droid that are in a different language. This isn't actually the first time I have seen this and is not limited to the F-Droid application. Currently it's just this one, but in the past I have had more apps than not displaying some or all of their content in a different language despite my phone being configured for English.
No, I am not. I'm based in the US. I was wondering if it could be VPN related, but I haven't connected to a node anywhere outside of the US in months. My phones language is set to English (US) with no other languages selected, and I have explicitly set F-Droid's language to English (US) in my phone's configuration as well.
I just now opened F-Droid after a reboot and without being connected to a VPN and began scrolling through latest and quickly found a random assortment of apps displaying the same way. None of them are installed though.
have you tried changing either/both to another variation of english? my phone has a plain “English” in addition to “English (US)”, and/or you may have a “(UK)” variant
I have, and that didn't seem to work. The Gitlab issue that the other user posted seems to be highly relevant because all of the users reporting an issue have the same phone that I do.
interesting! i didn't see that comment at first. i see somebody mentioned in the issue thread that it doesn't occur in f-droid basic, so hopefully you can just use that in the meantime.
AP spoke to the two contractors for UG Solutions, an American outfit subcontracted to hire security personnel for the distribution sites. They said bullets, stun grenades and pepper spray were used at nearly every distribution, even if there was no threat.
In one video, what appear to be heavily armed American security contractors at one of the sites in Gaza discuss how to disperse Palestinians nearby. One is heard saying he has arranged for a “show of force” by Israeli tanks.
“I don’t want this to be too aggressive,” he adds, “because this is calming down.” At that moment, bursts of gunfire erupt close by, at least 15 shots. “Whoo! Whoo!” one contractor yelps. “I think you hit one,” one says. Then comes a shout: “Hell, yeah, boy!”
“Nanook” is a slur for northern indigenous people in the same way “Chan” is a slur for Chinese people. Sure, there might be some members of that demographic with that name, but using the term as a generalization for that demographic is derogatory in intent.
Using the term “Eskimo” in the instance name is problematic for at least two reasons.
The term itself is considered problematic and derogatory for reasons I don't have time to go into here, but feel free to research why it’s under fire.
I haven’t checked, but the admins are probably not part of the demographics that the term would refer to, so they’re not “reclaiming a slur” so to speak
The comparison between “Nanook” and “Chan” is misleading and not linguistically equivalent. “Nanook” originates from Inuit mythology and is not inherently a slur, while “Chan” has been used in explicitly mocking or derogatory ways. It’s important to recognize the context and history behind each term rather than assume they carry the same weight.
You're right, but also taking together their comment history, we can reasonably assume that they chose their username with the intent to slur rather than as a more benign meaning.
European authoritarians and their enablers in the media are misrepresenting GrapheneOS and even Pixel phones as if they're something for criminals. GrapheneOS is opposed to the mass surveillance police state these people want to impose on everyone.
There are ongoing coordinated attempts at misleading people about GrapheneOS and Signal in multiple European countries. A consistent pattern are completely unsubstantiated claims about exploits with no evidence. These are contradicted by actual evidence, leaks and their behavior.
GrapheneOS is not immune to exploitation, but the fearmongering done in these ongoing attacks on it is very clearly fabricated. They feel threatened enough by GrapheneOS to engage in coordinated attempts at convincing people that it's unable to protect their privacy and security.
GrapheneOS eliminates many classes of remotely exploitable vulnerabilities and makes the vast majority far harder to exploit. It even puts up a strong fight against attacks advanced forensic data extraction tools with physical access. See discuss.grapheneos.org/d/14344… for an example.
There's currently an example of one of these attacks on the project ongoing across Swedish forums and social media. This reached our forum at discuss.grapheneos.org/d/23535…. An account pretending to be just asking questions goes on to pretend to be an expert citing non-existent sources.
This same thing is currently ongoing across several Swedish forums and on social media. It's generally not in English which makes it inaccessible to the broader GrapheneOS and privacy community so they can get away with extraordinary, unsubstantiated claims much more easily.
GrapheneOS is not supposed to stop people installing malware and granting it invasive permission. It does provide alternatives to being coerced into granting invasive permissions by apps via our Storage Scopes, Contact Scopes and other permissions, but it's a user choice.
GrapheneOS similarly not supposed to prevent authorized access to data by someone with the PIN/password and access to the device. Rather, we provide far stronger protection against unauthorized access via exploit protections, 2-factor fingerprint unlock, duress PIN/password, etc.
Our features page at grapheneos.org/features provides an overview of how GrapheneOS improves privacy, security and other areas compared to the most secure Android devices running the stock OS. It's not immune to exploitation and cannot be. Products making that claim are scams.
Not being immune to exploitation doesn't mean it can be successfully exploited in a given real world scenario. It's significantly harder to develop and deploy an exploit successfully. It can be exploited, but it doesn't mean it is happening especially at scale or consistently.
Having far from perfect security does not mean real world attacks including sophisticated ones will be successful in practice. Don't fall for security nihilism propaganda. We'll keep working on advancing security for general purpose computing devices. It will keep getting better.
Los Google Pixel son los máximos representantes de Android, con permiso de Samsung. Es por ello que convencen a los usuarios entusiastas del sistema...
Apple stores which devices/users install which apps. They have the device IDs. US government could obtain a list of people who installed the app if a court authorized it. Not clear what they mean by having to store device IDs. Those IDs aren't accessible to Android apps.
ANDROID_ID is a per-app-per-profile random ID. Not clear why they would need it. Android has privacy-preserving hardware-based attestation if they're talking about making it harder to spoof a location. Can't prevent either iOS or Android users making false reports via attestation APIs regardless.
Making posts with inaccurate technical claims about Android doesn't inspire confidence. It's a closed source app with a closed source service fully under their control. Why is that the approach if their goal is helping people rather than monetizing interest in it?
Apple records which apps people install and requires an account to use their app store. Apple Push Notification Service (APNs) has comparable privacy to Firebase Cloud Messaging (FCM). However, iOS apps must use APNs for push while Android apps do not have to use FCM.
Android apps can implement their own push service or allow the user to choose a service via the UnifiedPush framework. Play Store has a policy of requiring FCM for most use cases for battery reasons but there are exceptions. Unlike iOS, Android allows installing apps from other app stores / sources.
ICEBlock app is very clearly misleading people about privacy and their safety. Apple has a list of which accounts/devices have installed the app. They will provide it to the US government if they receive a court order. FCM is also not less private than APNS and FCM doesn't work the way they claim.
iPhones have good overall privacy and security but Apple does collect telemetry, forces people to have accounts and knows which apps each user/device has installed. They do not have magical privacy and security properties. An app like this claiming iOS gives them 100% anonymity is very strange.
iOS has significantly worse support for VPNs than Android and requires using Apple services. Android exists without Google services and people can install apps from elsewhere. The mandatory or effectively mandatory services on Google Mobile Services devices and iOS have comparable privacy.
I'm genuinely interested in people thoughts about the Fediverse because here in the UK it has massively stalled in 2025, like a lot of things. I am seeing way less posts from UK people and way less interaction and general use in fact. Most seem to have stopped social media use to be fair, and I know a lot of that is to do with my age (old fart here, 56 laps round sun and counting) but the numbers game look poor from my point of view. Do we think the Fediverse has a future now after useage appears to be going downwards? Is it a UK thing? (well I know the UK is weird but hey)
Bluesky blew itself up cos they failed to be sufficiently decentralised and became an echo chamber. Activpub systems are less echo chambery but still have a very strong left lean that is significantly effecting out ability to grow especially among the centre who represents the majority. We need more right wing opinions and allow said right wing opinions if we want the majority of people to adopt it.
The fundamental failure of the fediverse that is limiting us is that accounts are not transportable. We need some decentralised ledger of accounts that can be cryptographically verified with a zero trust system. U just set up a oidc server to do that auth and that plugs into every single fediverse application everywhere.
Oidc is the protocol by which auth can happen its the evolution of oauth. U need to build some kind of decentralised ledger then u set up a server that checks that ledger against the user provided auth then u simply make this server have an oidc endpoint allowing it to be plug and play with existing fediverse services.
I say oidc cos almost all fediverse software is already compatible with it.
My point is: if you have a ledger that the user controls and can use to redirect to different auth endpoints, then you don't need oauth. You just use the record in the ledger as the authentication mechanism directly.
Yeah exactly. But instead of having to implement that auth process in every different fediverse service in however many different languages u simply write it once with an oidc endpoint and all fediverse services can run it as a container in their stack. It makes implementing such auth system a simple config change and updating a docker compose to add a new service.
What I am trying to say is that "getting the user to complete a login" is not the novel part that is missing. What we are missing is a way for the user to have control over their actor ID, so that they use the same id regardless of what server that id is delegated to.
So, unless I am misunderstanding you, what you are proposing is an OIDC provider which could be used to authenticate on any other service. That's good, but it doesn't solve the problem that if we had an unified OIDC provider without a DID, all of the actor ids would end up dependent on the OIDC provider.
Ahh I see what ur saying now. Yeah the actor id is hard as it needs to be an actual dereferenceable uri as actors need an inbox and outbox of activities.
I don't think u can maintain cross instance actor ids. The only issue I see with having multiple actor ids for the same user is that they will have their content and profile split across multiple instances.
I guess u could have a meta id that dereferences to all ur actor ids?
Ahh I see I've never looked into how atproto works might need to look into it and sees if some of its systems can be adapted for Activpub. Thx for the info
If you are keen on working on something like that, let me know. I've done some preliminary work to get a DID system that would work like did:plc but I got a bit stuck trying to use a decentralized database based on IPFS as the "ledger" mechanism.
Specific to the DID, I haven't published yet. But what I am doing is based on my Typescript SDK for ActivityPub, so you can follow that repo for updates.
God, shut up. There's the "communist" dumbass instances which is just far right levels of stupid, and then literally the entire rest of this platform is just normal centrist europe views. "Leftist" is a term Americans use to describe giving immigrants healthcare and thinking homeless people should be given homes.
Go say something against trans and see how the fediverse reacts most instances will hand out an instant instance ban. That's a pretty mainstream right wing belief but its almost completely censored on the fediverse.
Normal centrist European views huh? I don't think so their are a lot of right ringers Europe who wouldn't be allowed to say what they want here. Perhaps that's what some Americans mean when they say leftist but that's not what most people mean pretty shit straw man imo.
Hate speech has no place here, no matter how comfortable these creeps feel around their fascist politicians and policemen at home.
Hating Jews was "pretty mainstream" in the NSDAP.
Hate speech is hate speech no matter how many bootlicking pieces of shit might agree, and this is not a platform that's friendly to the miserable fuckers who have nothing better to do with their lives than to spread hate and intolerance. They have Twitter and Truth social to spread their shit.
And here lies my point. A vast majority of people don't think its hate speech. And a vast majority of people believe free speech supersedes hate speech.
Please define hate speech.
I've seen many people defending violence against Jews in the name of Palestine right here on lemmy so I'd say hating Jews is pretty mainstream in the fediverse right now.
I believe the right to free speech grants you the right to express hatred as long as ur not calling for violence u should have the right to say whatever the fuck you want.
That's a pretty mainstream belief for a lot a people who have been completely ostracised and discriminated against by the fediverse as a whole.
In common language, “hate speech” refers to offensive discourse targeting a group or an individual based on inherent characteristics (such as race, religion or gender) and that may threaten social peace.
A related reading would be the paradox of tolerance, which goes far in explaining why we do not want this shit anywhere near our communities.
As for anti-Semitism, I've seen some of it in response to Israel's ongoing genocide, and of course the current context makes both anti-Semitism and anti-Muslim sentiments a very real problem. However, I think people on here mostly seem to be able to distinguish Israel and Judaism, and when they don't it seems moderators are generally doing a better job than on most platforms in my experience. But I doubt you're here in good faith, so I don't see much point in discussing something like this with you.
That's a pretty mainstream belief for a lot a people who have been completely ostracised and discriminated against by the fediverse as a whole.
If you feel discriminated against because people don't want you around, feel free to vote with your feet.
First I always discuss in good faith its a far more rewarding and enjoyable way to engage with the shared human experience. Second the condescending attitude isn't particularly pleasant I'm not speaking with you in such a way I ask you have the same respect for me.
Sure that's a fair definition.
I would argue the paradox of tolerance is widely misunderstood the full quote in which it is based is as follows:
"Unlimited tolerance must lead to the disappearance of tolerance. If we extend unlimited tolerance even to those who are intolerant, if we are not prepared to defend a tolerant society against the onslaught of the intolerant, then the tolerant will be destroyed, and tolerance with them.
In this formulation, I do not imply, for instance, that we should always suppress the utterance of intolerant philosophies; as long as we can counter them by rational argument and keep them in check by public opinion, suppression would certainly be most unwise." - Karl Popper (The Open Society and Its Enemies 1945)
I think most people ignore the second half of it as its convenient for them to do so.
If you feel discriminated against because people don't want you around, feel free to vote with your feet.
Ahh yes vote with my feet and leave the fediverse hence why op is asking why the fediverse has stagnated and doesn't seem to be growing. You have expertly just proven exactly the original point I was trying to make.
U see I also believe in equality (of opportunity) if you have the right to spread hate against right wing views then said right wingers should have said right to spread hate against your views.
I'm tolerant of your hate speech and combat it with ration argument. Your not tolerant of my speech and combat it with deletions, bans, and personal attacks. We are not the same.
And here lies my point. A vast majority of people don't think its hate speech. And a vast majority of people believe free speech supersedes hate speech.
Actually, a vast majority of people don't support being a shitbag to other people. You're confusing popular sentiment with the whims of the conservative elite. If you don't just hide in right wing echo chambers all the time you might be surprised to find out how unpopular your terrible views are.
I frequent many forums both digital and physical under a multitude of identities and the only ones who despise free speech are the extreme left. Pretty much everyone likes it. Lemmy is the most echo chambery of all the places I visit.
If your views are so popular how did trump win the election? Why have almost all right wing parties across Europe gotten a larger percentage of the vote? Why did almost every state in the us shift more right in the last election? These are the facts. You are objectively wrong
I've provided more facts to support my claim than you have for yours. I've provided nothing, whereas you have actively lied about the nothing you've brought forth. I don't need to prove anything to you.
Not that I could, conservatives don't think anyway, and you can't logic someone out of a position they felt their way into.
Of the counties with nearly complete results, more than 90 percent shifted in favor of former President Donald J. Trump in the 2024 presidential election,
Like, no. You can't even read and parse one paragraph, and you want me to compile a bunch of research you won't understand? You want me to explain the difference between a scant majority of the population who decided to and were permitted to vote and a vast majority of all people everywhere to someone who struggles with basic reading? What a laugh.
I made 2 claims u said I was wrong because my claims where wrong I proved my claims where true. Now ur refusing to provide evidence to support your claims. Engage in good faith. Stop being a hypocrite. Have some honour lest I lose what little respect I used to have for u.
The fundamental failure of the fediverse that is limiting us is that accounts are not transportable. We need some decentralised ledger of accounts that can be cryptographically verified with a zero trust system. U just set up a oidc server to do that auth and that plugs into every single fediverse application everywhere.
I've never felt this was as important as people say, at least here in the Threadiverse I don't see it being important. Can you explain how this would help Lemmy/PieFed?
Because it would solve the whole issue of people deciding what instance to sign up to. It would make the fediverse better than the mainstream "the one account to rule them all".
Instances still exist its just that u can log into literally any of them with 1 account. I get instance banned from an instance ur still banned from that instance.
So people still have to choose an instance to login to? This is just to save you from creating an account which is like 25 keystrokes and 4 clicks?
I also don't really want to make things easier for people who get banned often, sounds like it would be easier for trolls to bounce between hundreds of instances with fewer accounts.
A lot of right-wing beliefs have become so extreme that I am frankly happy to not be around them, regardless of how important I feel it is to avoid echo chambers (very). Its one thing to want to be able to have conversations with people you disagree with even though it's challenging, it's another thing to constantly have to contend with people who would like to debate whether you're a human and deserve basic human dignity because you're a minority.
But I would appreciate if we could at least manage not to attack other left wing folks over not being left wing enough, or over what methods are a productive way to solve the problems we're facing.
It's kind of just a microcosm of the infighting and purity testing of the left more broadly (at least in America, I have no idea how things are with the culture of leftwing communities or voices in Europe or the rest of the world), but it still sucks and I'd like to hope we can find a way to do better.
Tbh I'm not even sure what the right and left wing means or believes anymore.
Both terms have been so utterly corrupted and coopted that they have become meaningless to the point of simply being a term used to other one group by the other.
Well that's the problem everyone thinks they are exactly the minimum amount of left and that anyone right of them is a facist. If someone is continuously called a fascist Nazi eventually they will listen.
"If you tell a lie big enough and keep repeating it, people will eventually come to believe it" - Joseph Goebbels
Australia wasn't so much on the extreme of Americans but we are getting there. Interestingly both the right wing and the extreme left got fucked in our most recent election. Mind u I'm not happy with the current federal government they are introducing a pre capital gains tax on everyone's savings.
I can appreciate how twisted and emotionally charged the labels have become. As a queer(-ish, it's complicated) person in the US, it is not uncommon for right wing spaces on reddit to offhandedly describe me and all the people I care about as groomers. Thats not a good faith discussion of whether the way that I want to see problems solved is productive, it's just dehumanizing people because they're minorities.
I don't want to be around that. I think it is extremely important to have conversations with people you don't agree with, and I still have very little emotional capacity to engage with people that far away from me in terms of what's considered an acceptable way to engage with other humans.
I don't wish them death and dismemberment or for them to face violent retribution (and before people take issue with that, that would radicalize people and harm every single cause I care about, making every problem I'm facing worse. Even just purely pragmatically that's a horrible way to solve our problems like 99% of the time), but I don't wish to share space with them, I don't have that in me.
The left does absolutely have an issue with calling anyone we dont like a Nazi, which is a painful problem to confront due to the fact that our government is descending into outright fascism, and it is now infinitely harder to have a conversation about the fact that this is what fascism looks like now that the word has been so diluted as to be almost meaningless. It essentially just conveys "I really really really don't like that person" at this point, which is a big difference from "this person is framing minorities as responsible for all that ails society to gain power while stripping us of our freedoms and amassing personal power and currying favor with billionaires by selling them our institutions at all or our expense"
I'm curious, how did both the left and right get fucked in the recent election? I'm pretty much entirely unfamiliar with Australian politics save for a couple friendly jordies videos
The issue is the worst of both sides are the ones defining each other. I won't deny that I disagree with some of the things being pushed as part of education for young children. But I wouldn't say that that's grooming let alone define an entire group of people by that. Its defiantly not good faith.
I think the beautiful part of the internet is if u don't want to be around a particular person u can block them and they simply disappear. They have a right to speech but nobody has the right to force you to listen.
I don't think engaging with people emotionally is the correct way to engage especially over a text medium. I think the only real productive discussion that can be had without devolving into a screaming and name calling is rational and logical. I find that emotional arguments and weaponised empathy get deployed on mass instead of rational discussion.
I'm not saying that you should be forced to share a space with such people I simply think that others should not be restricted from having such spaces and engaging freely with people in those spaces.
This is what I'm saying people have been called fascist so long they have become the fascists. Its both sides stripping us of our freedoms and making our lives shit. Its a choice between get fucked or get fucked lite. We are all to distracted fighting a bullshit culture war to realise its just a distraction from the real issues. Funny how the whole culture war thing kicked off just after occupy wall street.
In Australia we have preferential voting so we don't have a 2 party system. We have the liberals who are centre right, we have labor who are centre left, we have the greens who are communists and we have the nationals who are fascists. The nationals never get any seats, liberal and labor trade places as the government every couple years and the greens get a couple seats. This time the greens lost almost all their seats same as the liberals.
It kinda seems like historically, growth has been driven by exoduses from larger platforms. Right now there's not any huge things going on on other platforms that piss people off and make them wanna leave but like, twitter, reddit and meta seem really good at finding shitty thing to do, so I'd kinda expect growth to just pick back up whenever the next outrage happens 🤷♂️
I honestly think self-righteousness pushes people away. It's why I can barely stand bluesky. During the big exodus from reddit, all these so-called far-lefties (who I think were just reddit goons doing infiltration) were all screaming for everybody to defederate. Even now, I keep arguing against idiots posting "kill a cop" or "kill fascists" memes, like this is literally an "advocate violence" platform. I don't expect to pull big numbers with that kind of shit.
Yeah we do have a lot of people who feel it's more important to demonstrate their anger than to figure out what people could do to improve the problems.
Worse still, a lot of people seem to have convinced themselves that whatever makes it most clear they're angry and hurts the people they disagree with the most is actually what's most productive. The anger about the state of things, particularly in the US is entirely valid. The self-justification of behaviours that burn bridges and radicalize more people is not.
If you want to implement any kind of solution you do, necessarily have to have a critical mass of people who agree with you, and you cannot build that by antagonizing anyone who doesn't already share your exact flavour of left wing ideology, and acting in a way that reflects poorly on your ideology to everyone except people who already agree with you
Very rarely is anyone willing to confront that violence as a means to an end, pragmatically, has enormous costs, and that employing it just because you're (justifiably) angry, is almost always detrimental to the exact abouts you're mad about
(Sorry, I know I kinda went off track from exactly what you were talking about, this is just a closely related huge frustration of mine)
violence as a means to an end, pragmatically, has enormous costs,
The people I'm talking about (the worst ones) don't even have an "end." No plan at all. The violence is the end. It's pure stupidity. I see it as the lust for violence, coming up with some politics to justify itself.
I agree. Its very frustrating, as someone who cares deeply about trying to do anything I can to find a future for myself in the increasingly broken status quo the US is devolving into (and has been in for a long time, albiet to a lesser extreme)
But don't you worry, they'll tell themselves the whole while that they're the righteous one for advocating wanton violence. I want off this ride 🙁
Even now, I keep arguing against idiots posting “kill a cop” or “kill fascists” memes, like this is literally an “advocate violence” platform
soooo much! Not only is this becoming an "advocate violence" platform, people are getting pissed if they have a post removed for advocating violence. Lemmy will def end up in the news after some crazy shoots up people and they find out he was all over Lemmy being cheered on to shoot billionaires or something.
Who is going to pay for those ads? With what money? There is no single entity here with enough interest in growing the Fediverse, and any grassroots movements that we do have are strictly against commerce.
I run bespoke hosting and services and people are spending less and less each month. Been doing it for 30 years in various ways and forms and 2025 is by far the hardest year to get anyone to part with money. Everybody thinks they should setup something ad laden it to death, make a fortune and retire at 30. Here in the UK you should visit a loc(ish) new website and see the content disappear behind a torrent of ads, clickbait articles, AI videos etc.
That tells us something about where our culture has gone and is going. I feel what you are seeing reflects this. There's a herd mentality driving a lot of norms.
Network effects are incredibly strong. Xitter is now a disinformation and fascist hellhole, and yet people who should know better still refuse to leave. We have the advantage that we're not growth focused, so we can can bide our time. The inevitable enshittification will do its job eventually, but there's no telling when the tipping point will happen.
Yet, Bluesky has grown to 35M+ active accounts, even though they started way after us
We have the advantage that we’re not growth focused
This is not an "advantage". This is an excuse we tell ourselves to cope with our failures.
The inevitable enshittification will do its job eventually,
And when it does, the majority of people will go the next shiny "free as in beer", VC-funded siloed platform and we are going to be just another "They don't know" meme.
Not gonna argue with you mate, I know we disagree fundamentally on what the fediverse means. Me and most others never will see eye to eye with you with your capitalist growth-focused approach.
The "most others" here is a heavily self-selected group of people who don't want to compromise on any of their values and treat any effort to grow as a threat.
All of this to say, it's fine if you say "Yes, we are small and I want it that way because if it gets any bigger we will be surrounded by people who do not uphold the same values we do". The problem is that you're arguing "We are only small because of $random_reason (network effects/evil capitalists/not enough funding/etc)", as if "being small" was determined by external factors and not something that you can control.
That's the point of disagreement. I think we can control this and we can bring more people here, but it's just that you don't want to do it if means sacrificing your ideology.
When I say "compromise", I am not saying "sacrifice them completely". I am talking about in terms of Big Fedi vs Small Fedi, regardless on where on the scale you want to stay, there are trade-offs to be made.
As I often do, I made a poll on the fediverse about two concepts I am interested in: Big Fedi versus Small Fedi. Although I think these are interesting topics, I couldn’t come up with exact summations of what the “Big Fedi” and “Small Fedi” positions are. So, I wanted to write down what I could here.
The fediverse, in this case, is an internetwork of social networks. It works a lot like email; you can have an account on one network and follow, message, and react to people (or bots) on other networks. The biggest software tool for making fediverse networks is Mastodon; there are a lot of other Open Source servers for setting up nodes. There are also some proprietary nodes — Meta Threads and Flipboard are two of the biggest.
The following are some clusters of ideas that I think coalesce into “Big Fedi” and “Small Fedi”. I haven’t been able to tie them all back to some fundamental principle on either side.
Big Fedi
The “Big Fedi” position is a set of ideas that roughly cluster together. Not everyone who agrees with one or a few of these agrees with them all, but I think they tend to be related.
The fediverse should be big. Real big. Like, everyone on the planet should have an account on the fediverse. It will make the internet better and the world better.
Weshould make choices that help bring the fediverse to new people. Because the fediverse should be big, we should be doing things to make it bigger; in particular, to bring it to more people.
There should be a lot of different account servers. (I’m using “account servers” instead of “instances” or “servers”.) It’s good to have a lot of choice, with a lot of different parameters: software interfaces, financial structure, what have you.
Commercial account servers are welcome. This variety includes commercial services. If they provide the right mix of features and trade-offs that certain people want, it’s good to have them, especially if they have a lot of users.
Moderation can be automated. Shared blocklists, machine learning, and other tools can be used to catch most of the problematic interactions on the fediverse.
Account servers can be big. It doesn’t matter how big they are: 1M, 10M, 100M, 1B people is fine.
The fediverse should have secondary services. In order to grow, we need secondary services, like people-finders, onboarding tools, global search, bridges, and so on.
The individual is central. People should be able to set up their environment how they like, including their social environment. They have the tools to do that. The account server may set some parameters around content or software usage, but otherwise it’s mostly a dumb pipe.
Connections should be person-to-person. The main social connection is through following someone. Building up this follow graph is important.
People I care about should be on the fediverse. I have a life outside the fediverse — friends, family, colleagues, neighbours. My governments, media, celebrities, sports figures, leaders in my industry. It would be good to have more of those people on the fediverse, so I can connect to them.
People should get to make choices about their account server. Everybody has different priorities: privacy, open source, moderation, cost, stability, features. We can all make our own choices about the account server we prefer.
It should be possible to have ad-free account servers. Technically and culturally, we should be able to set these up.
It should be possible to have Open Source account servers. People who prefer free network services should be able to run them and use them.
It should be possible to have algorithm-free account servers. You should be able to just follow things reverse chronologically.
It should be possible to have individually-run account servers. A normal technically-minded person should be able to run their own account server for themself, friends, their household, or even for a larger communty.
Harms that are mostly kept to account servers are up to people on those servers to solve. Good fences make good neighbours. If things become unbearable, people can move servers somewhat frictionlessly.
Affinity groups should stretch beyond account server boundaries. Groups, lists, and other social network features are important and should be fully federated. They should provide a lot of features.
There may be some harm that comes with growth; we can fix it later. We’re going to find problems as we go along. We can deal with them as we come to them.
The fediverse is going to look very different over time. The way things work now are not how they’re going to be 1, 3, 5, 10 years from now. Especially as the fediverse grows, different structures and ways of working are going to develop.
Open standards are important. By having public, open standards available through big standards organizations, we gain the buy-in from different account network operators to join the network. We definitely don’t have time to negotiate bilateral agreements; we need solid standards.
Variety in types of account server operators is good. Different people have different needs and tolerances. If we want to have more people, we need to cater to those different needs with different account servers.
Existing organizations can and should provide account servers. Not just existing tech companies; also businesses providing servers for their employees, universities for students, cities or other governments for their citizens.
Existing services, even if they’re bad, will become somewhat better if they have fediverse features. People on those services will get to connect with a variety of new people. They’ll find out about the fediverse, and might move to another account server, or try something else new.
It’s more important to bring good people to the fediverse than keep bad people off it. More people is good, and the people I care about on other networks are also good. There may be some bad people, too, but we’ll manage them.
Small Fedi
Here is a rough cluster of ideas that I’d call “Small Fedi”. Again, not everyone who agrees with one or two of these agrees with all of them.
The fediverse should be safe. Safe from harassment, safe from privacy violations.
Growth is not important. We’ve gotten along this long with a small fediverse. It’s OK how it is, so growth is not important. Growth is a capitalist mindset.
People who aren’t on the fediverse don’t matter as much as people who are. Their needs, at least. When discussing the future of the fediverse, we don’t need to talk about people on other networks much at all.
If people want to get on the fediverse, they can join an existing account server. We don’t need to bring new account servers to the fediverse; there are a lot already. People who really care about getting on the fediverse can join an existing account server, or set up their own. If they’re not willing to do this, they’re probably not that interested in the fediverse, so why should we bother trying to connect to them?
If growth could cause harm, we either should fix the problem before growing, or we shouldn’t grow. We should examine opportunities carefully, but by default we should say no.
Commercial account servers are discouraged. Most commercial services do harm. Even if they’re on the fediverse, they’re going to try to do harm to make more money. So, they should be avoided as much as possible.
Secondary services can cause harm and should be severely limited if allowed at all. People search and content search can be used for privacy invasion or harassment. Shared blocklists can be manipulated to cause echo chambers. Machine learning can be biased. Onboarding services favour big account servers. They should be discouraged or, preferably, closed.
The account server is central. Moderation decisions, cultural decisions, account decisions, most social decisions should happen at the account server level.
Account servers are the primary affinity group. You should find an account server that feels like home. Any other groups are less important.
Feeds like “fediverse” and “local” are important. There is a public community of account servers that your account server connects to, and the public feed from that community is important. You might use it more often than your home feed. Your local feed is also important, because your account server is a group you belong to.
Moderation should be primarily by hand. The courage and wisdom necessary to make most moderation decisions can only be managed by hand. Automated tools can be manipulated.
Account servers must be small. Human moderators can only do so much work, so the account servers they moderate can only be so big.
The fediverse works just about right right now, and shouldn’t change. There’s a good reason for how everything works, and it’s fine. People who want to change the way things work just don’t get it.
It’s not important that people from my real life are on the fediverse, and it’s kind of discouraged. The account server is the most important affinity group, then the larger “fediverse”. That’s enough; other people are needed or welcome. People who I know who aren’t on the fediverse don’t care about fediverse stuff, so they’d get bored here, anyway.
It is highly discouraged to have ad-supported account servers. Even if they only show ads to their own users, they are causing harm. In particular, they’re showing our content next to ads, or using our content to develop ad algorithms. Either way, harm goes beyond the server border.
It is highly discouraged to have proprietary account servers. They just can’t be trusted with their own users’ data. Also, they’re going to get some of our data, just through federation, and who knows what they’ll do with it.
It is highly discouraged to have algorithmic timelines. Anyone having these causes problems. If you want one, you just don’t get it.
Open standards are less important than making things work the way we want them. In particular, fiddling with standards to keep people safe, and to discourage particular account server structure, is an OK thing to do.
Most existing institutions have proved themselves untrustworthy and should not provide account servers. Name any particular part of civil society, and I can come up with an example of at least one bad practice they have.
Harms that happen on one account server are a problem for every account server. Server blocks, personal blocks, and protocol boundaries aren’t enough to isolate problems to their account server of origin. Secondary or tertiary effects can happen and cause harm.
Existing services, if they’re bad, will make the fediverse worse. Bad practices, bad content, bad members will cause problems for everyone on the fediverse.
It’s more important to keep bad people off the fediverse than to bring good people to it. Bad people can be really horrible. There aren’t actually that many good people on bad services, and if they really wanted to connect with us, they’d find another way.
Where do I land?
I’m mostly a Big Fedi person; I did the work on the fediverse that I’ve done in order to bring it to everyone on the planet. I don’t think people should have to pass a test to be allowed on the fediverse.
That said, I respect that harm can come from new technical decisions and new network connections. As someone deeply involved in the standards around ActivityPub and the fediverse, I’d like to make sure that we give people the tools they need to avoid harm — and stay out of the way when they use them. I very much like the Small Fedi suspicion of new services and account servers, and careful consideration of the possibilities.
I’d like to find ways to mitigate the problems of so many people on proprietary social networks being unconnected to the fediverse, but still centre the safety of existing fedizens. I don’t have an easy answer to how this can work, though.
Anyway, thanks for reading this far. Also, an acknowledgment: I borrowed the term “Small Fedi” without permission from Erin Kissane’s great piece on Untangling Threads. I’m also using it differently, stretching it out, which admittedly is an ingrateful thing with something you borrow. I hope it is not ruined by the time I return it.
Another acknowledgment: this framing is loosely based on the worse is better series of essays by Richard Gabriel. His lists of ideas are much shorter, more cohesive, and more algorithmic.
As I often do, I made a poll on the fediverse about two concepts I am interested in: Big Fedi versus Small Fedi. Although I think these are interesting topics, I couldn’t come up with exact s…
I mean everyone already has platforms they're largely comfortable with and fediverse platforms are less accessible, smaller, and usually clones of existing formats. The primary place we compete is on not being total dogshit, so when people can forget that their comfortable platforms are dogshit, it doesn't surprise me that people wouldn't be going out of their way to venture out into a new unfamiliar thing, with a different culture and much smaller userbase 🤷♂️
I'm happy to be here regardless of whether we're growing personally. In spite of Lemmy's challenges I enjoy it here, and that's enough for me.
I’m happy to be here regardless of whether we’re growing personally. In spite of Lemmy’s challenges I enjoy it here, and that’s enough for me.
I think this is a fine attitude if you are an user who just wants to enjoy a "slow web" kind of experience, but as someone aware of all the ill effects of Big Tech and Surveillance Capitalism, I wish we were more ambituous and aimed for a bigger slice of user share.
I am broadly in favor of growing the Fediverse, but I am also of the belief that most of the ways that people think that should be done, are potentially more counter productive than productive
For users, most people think of growing Lemmy as evangelizing. Personally I think that's almost always experienced as preachy and antagonistic. The real work of making the fediverse competive is the developers maintainers and hosters, and if we as users want the fediverse to grow I think the biggest thing we can do is be a part of making this a good place to be.
Its by creating a culture that when people show up and try things out on a whim, they decide to stay. It certainly helps for people to hear about the Fediverse, but if that's a accomplished through means that make people frustrated and hostile towards us, I think we've accomplished more harm than good.
I deeply miss the thriving small niche communities of reddit, and us not being able to sustain that is 100% down to not having enough users, but I see participating in a way that makes it worth being here as the biggest thing I can do to support the fediverse
My biggest frustration is that I sincerely believe that I had built like 80% of the tools needed to solve the onboarding issues:
Onboarding by signing up via Reddit OAuth on fediverser.network, so anyone had one single place to visit and "migrate"
A website with a curated list of recommended communities, so that they would have content available as soon as they signed up.
15+ topic-specific instances, so that people could become familiar with the concept of federation, without having to be overwhelmed by the initial choices and/or being forced to understand the "politics" of each instance
The "Community Ambassador" feature, to help people to organize and source content from different places and help them bootstrap their communities.
These things are all right there. There was no single admin interested in implementing it. Everyone was just looking at their own few thousand users and never got together to think "how can we get from 50k to 5 million?"
I can certainly see why that would be frustrating. I'm surprised I'd not heard of your project before- does it have a name or a github? If it does and I see folks talking about how we can improve onboarding or grow the fediverse it'd be nice to be able to mention it to them
I think I'm subbed to fedibridge- have you posted about it there? I feel like admins may be kinda swamped and it might need traction with users who want to see things grow in order to cut through the noise and have it be a significant enough priority for any admins. There may also be an issue of them knowing that making onboarding from reddit significantly easier, if successful might mean putting a lot more strain on themselves and their instance
That has been my impression of present dynamics and historical data, too - boom-bust-cycles of either some other platform fucking up or there being curiosity from some synergetic effect, then the initial wave breaking over time - but usually also leaving behind at least more (genuinely active) users than before the wave. For Lemmy, one can definitely see some reduction in activity, I think - not dramatically, but I do think it's noticeable if you spend a lot of time here. E.g. unlike during the last Exodus, I see more of "the same users" than before. There's still enough content, it does not feel dead by a long shot, and who knows when the next wave may hit.
That wave-like character makes it hard to estimate organic growth too, at times. The mass influx of users dying off over weeks will give shrinking numbers there, even if some users from organic growth who are more likely to stay and be active than "mass exodus users" may still join there. Also, users moving in between MBin/PieFed/Lemmy will fudge numbers, but they are essentially in the same ecosystem.
We had some nice steady growth up until some months back, probably partially driven by dissatisfaction with Reddit rallying behind Trump and further enshittification of it. But predictably the lions share of users just accepted the new normal as the inertia of leaving is just too high to overcome. For another exodus event there needs to be a bigger shock to the system, probably something like turning off old.reddit.
I've spent the a good part of last year working on Fediverser. The tools to lower the barrier of migration and to get people out of Reddit were built. To me, it feels like it's the users and admins here that were not interested in pushing that as a goal.
It definitely will happen. I've already noticed I'm sometimes getting weird "your IP is blocked" warnings when using old.reddit. They go away after a refresh but it wouldn't surprise me if they're trying to get people to stop using it.
Social media is kinda washed up. A lot of people are on substack, too. The internet as a place is just less popular, I think. We're all getting sick of it.
Fediverse does everything I require out of social media. Functionality of threadiverse is mostly there and getting better (Piefed will probably replace Lemmy as the go-to eventually), apps are better. Mastodon / microblogging was always good enough for communicating with real people, it’s when you’re an influencer you run into limitations but who cares about that. Maybe there aren’t that many people that are into this and that’s okay because we’re not a corporation that needs to report quarterly growth forever.
(Piefed will probably replace Lemmy as the go-to eventually)
I think rather we'll see more software popping up and diversifying the ecosystem. Then you can pick whichever you prefer. Which is the whole point of the fediverse. I'm currently working on my own implementation. Might take a long while before any alpha version as I'm super busy but I try to do at least a bit of work on it every day.
As a general comment, I suggest everyone interested in making the Fediverse grow to join those two communities - !fedibridge@lemmy.dbzer0.com is about promoting the Threadiverse on other platforms (usually Reddit) - !fedigrow@lemmy.zip is about growing communities on the platform
Nobody likes to shout into the void. The second one helps finding people to help you grow your communities.
I just wish there wasn't so much sectarianism on fedi. Or maybe it's a good thing that this kind of social dynamic is possible in online world. I don't really know. What I do know is that it's rather annoying to see the instance admin being labeled as reactionary because someone dug up something from five years ago and decided to start a FUD campaing.
Just from a quick look at fediverse.observer/, it looks like the Fediverse is mostly steady at 1-1.25 million monthly users (give or take) over the past two years with a slight decreasing trend. I think there are some reasons for this that are not entirely in our control.
There seems to be a global sentiment of disconnecting from social media and the internet in general. So, I wouldn't be surprised if ever platform is seeing a decaying user base. Anecdotally, among the people I see in real life, there is a general sense of exhaustion with online spaces. Whether it's from corporate-own, enshittified platforms to even places on the Fediverse, the people with whom I interact tend to find the entire thing hollow. They've trimmed down to one or two platforms (if that). In fact, I've even started to get that way. In the past, if someone were wrong and arguing against a point I made, I'd engage, especially if it's in something that I have expertise. Now, why bother? There's no use arguing; people have little interest in admitting fault or engaging in good faith (again anecdotally). That said, I'll concede that the Fediverse is a bit better on that front, but not by much.
Then there's the alternative nature of the Fediverse. It's been rehashed over and over about how "difficult" it is to get on and use. It's not actually that hard, but the barrier to entry is an extra step. That small extra step frightens people away from even joining. The only time that barrier gets broken is when a "legacy" social media platform does something anti-user. Then there is a refugee wave that comes in and goes out leading to a modest durable increase in users. Recently, there just hasn't been a major controversy on a major platform that leads people here.
Now, my final thought on this is to ask: Is a small and steady-ish population (despite modest decay) actually bad? In my view, I don't think it is. Being smaller and with a smallish barrier to entry means that we exclude a sizable number of the low-effort population. So, there's less (no zero) slop here. Plus, discussions, when had in good faith, can be much deeper and less filled with stupid low-effort jokes. Overall, I'm not too concerned with the number of people on the Fediverse. Growth isn't necessarily the best thing. Even so, with the way most mainstream platforms are going, it's inevitable that they will do something stupid that drives more people to the Fediverse at least for a time.
TL;DR: The monthly population is mostly steady with a modest decay. Most social media is likely seeing similar trends. I don't think the smaller userbase is that bad of a thing.
I definitely get burnt out on it faster when half my front page is meta posts. I don't have time to curate, I just want to see content that isn't about itself.
I browse lemmy exclusively, as a result of distaste for corporatization. Personally I have no reason to leave and I doubt I will anytime soon. I don't have any particular niches that I'm a part of, so the only thing that would cause me to leave is if the feed dried up. I usually open lemmy in the morning and scroll All - top 12h. I get an hour or so of scrolling before I reach posts with sub-10 votes. And that's all I really need. I'll be here until I can't do that anymore.
That's an interesting question. I don't think the advantages of the fediverse are part of any zeitgeist so are not attracting new and diverse users other than maybe through places like Flipboard and maybe Ghost. The future of social media is certainly going to remain fragmented and the fediverse fragments itself by default anyway. I do think that how people use social media is changing; people are tired of overuse to some extent. Does the fediverse have a future? I think it'll remain its own niche as corporate offerings come and go. Increased Interest may come from an unexpected growth in a specialism that is federated. I think my idealism for what the fediverse could achieve is now muted as I probably no longer have faith in open networks as the cultures are way too different so I probably now see the fediverse less through the email analogy and more through the linux analogy. If fedi plods on refining itself in its own slow way (volunteers and no money make for slow progress) then who know the next time a corp offering destroys itself and people search for a less awful and exploitative environment then it might just win out in the long term though I'm not entirely convinced about that. Does that mean i'm off to corporate networks. Not really. I'd rather just stop altogether than fall down that rabbit hole again.
I have enjoyed this discussion but some of my UK peers have added that the fediverse in general (like most social media to be fair) when it is new seems to "american" for them. Bluesky suffers from this criticism as well. This puts a lot of UK users off. Heck even threads is described by many as too us focused right now (see the I'm in the UK is anybody else posts on threads)
All the meta products, reddit, old fashioned forums... plenty of things. Discourse (pah) tik tok. Different but have way more users. I'm genuinely curious how they get so little traffic in this day and age against other methods. And yes, I know I'm asking on Lemmy, but I'm new here, and I still cannot fathom why they are so quiet
All the meta products, reddit, old fashioned forums… plenty of things. Discourse (pah) tik tok. Different but have way more users
Aren't all of those US focused?
I’m genuinely curious how they get so little traffic in this day and age against other methods. And yes, I know I’m asking on Lemmy, but I’m new here, and I still cannot fathom why they are so quiet
nope they have plenty of UK focused things. Run by a US corp of course, but plenty of local content. I welcome the debate, but for the majority of people not in the fediverse ecosystem, the numbers just look awful and that is a massive reason they don't either look here, or stay. Herd mentality is strong. Most of them are in no way shape or form techy either
That's really interesting. Australian here, and I've remarked several times how the userbase of the fediverse isn't dominated by American voices like most other social media platforms I've used.
It's an interesting perspective. Historically the fediverse was more European; Mastodon is based in Germany and initially got a lot of traction in France, NLNet has contributed a lot of the funding, and there's historically more adoption by European governmental organizations than US. But these days a lot of the energy is being driven by corporate interests (Flipboard, Wordpress, Meta, Ghost) which are primarily American (Ghost being the only exception), so that's leading to a change of dynamics. Distressing, especially given what's going on here in the US!
Kiwi here, originally European so I get content in two languages and from people with some interests in similar. Good percentage of local and international stuff generally keeps me happy. (Not too concerned/glad about overall numbers - there's no continuous growth on a finite planet)
It doesn't, but stalling is different than just sitting roughly the same. I am talking about my experience, with my peers and clients... most of whom have just upped and left
Also British, trying (somewhat failing) to avoid more of the political stuff and that seems to be most of the national specific stuff that gets posted.
There is something in that, plus the internet in general seems to be getting dumbed down a lot. Fedi also seems very much a place full of extreme views which for a lot of people is just a turn off. As a bloke seeing loads of content that is obviously sexual is also something I thought we'd seen the last of...
There is something in that, plus the internet in general seems to be getting dumbed down a lot. Fedi also seems very much a place full of extreme views which for a lot of people is just a turn off. As a bloke seeing loads of content that is obviously sexual is also something I thought we'd seen the last of...
Hey now, that guy is perfectly capable of being a reactionary piece of shit on his own! This kind of thing is entirely in line with what he already thinks.
and don't you think what he thinks was shaped by his self-proclaimed 170+ visits to the US to meet with industry giants and politians to further his own political agenda?
Depends on the topic. Economic and foreign policy sure, and he most likely got pointers on how to actually put his views into action, but the guy voted in favor of letting husbands rape their wives in 1997. Telling him to hate on LGBT+ is like kicking in an open door.
Only proof of its existence I can find is here, apparently it was formerly dubbed by Happy TV, which seemed to be a channel for airing childrens TV shows. I don't actually know if it's lost or not but I can't find it anywhere.
I'd say this is lost, while I can seemingly find other languages pretty easily, the Serbian dub specifically I've come up empty for as well
It's fairly common for a specific language of multi-language release content to be missing. Especially when it's outside of the mainstream languages like English, Spanish, Japanese etc.
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Call it something like greentext or confessions or something. Anyone posting is automatically set to Anonymous with no link whatsoever to the original account for admin or users to track or in the logs/activity pub etc. Like the person will not get replies, notifications on their account for the post, or the ability to reply as Anon. Simply streamline creation of a throw away account using the existing credentials of an existing account for post access and to give automod a chance to act. Maybe bar new accounts or below a certain threshold of engagement.
One could make a community named "Anon Posting" or something, lock it so only a mod can post, and then make the sole mod a bot that would post anything it got via DM (probably after automoding, rate limiting, etc) to said community.
I do think it's a good idea for the bot to keep a log in case it gets abused for sufficiently evil purposes. One could add some extra functionality to the bot that would give identifying information about the poster to instance admins on demand (via DM), but I think instance admins would have pretty easy access to all DMs made to the bot, along with identifying information anyway. (Feel free to correct me if I'm wrong on that.)
Also, the bot could totally delete its logs and with them the identities of all posters after a while. Maybe a month?
And, of course, this wouldn't be ironclad anonymity. But it would keep identities secret from anyone but the bot maintainer and instance admins.
Yeah, sounds like a pretty cool concept. Not volunteering to write such a bot (at least any time soon) or anything, but I support it.
I bet you could create a system that runs someone user and domain thru a hash to produce a different alphanumeric value. Display that value instead of user@domain. So not exactly like 4chan, in that everyone has a user. But a username that is isolated from rest of fediverse. That would allow for 'confessions' type posts to not be linked to a standard account. And preserve ability of mods to ban the racists and trolls. I'm not coder. But it seems possible.
I keep seeing people go to the effort of creating a throwaway account to say or post stuff they want or need to externalize on the threadiverse. I'm willing to bet that for every person that goes to that much effort, there are likely somewhere between 10-100 people that lack an outlet and motivation to do the same. Greentext is just a mutual pretext on my part for genuinely caring about people under pressure right now and in need of an outlet in a way that is not really well supported by the fediverse or activity pub.
We are small enough here that regular names and people can hold meaning in familiarity and memorable history. Kind words and social interaction anonymously from these may hold considerably more value and meaning within this social dynamic that is not afforded elsewhere.
Aha, I see. So you mean there should be a community for anonymous posts. I think it's not inherently supported with ActivityPub. But I guess someone could create a bot that all posts went through. However for very obvious reasons the community would need to be moderated VERY efficiently.
Yeah, I'm kinda volunteering for the mod part. In truth I think it would take the respective instance admin setting up such a thing specifically. Like create a throwaway or something so that the actual user is not propagated to other admin or the full activity pub feed being transported. The one instance admin would know and have the ability to filter or block, but that information would never escape the one server. As a mod I would be blind to actual potential bad actors and only filter at the liberal community and comments level. So basically a normal community that replaces the OP name with Anon, and never shares the real ID with anyone.
I can write a bot that would be capable of doing such a thing if you would like. I don't have time to dev for free but if u wanna pay for me to make such a bot then I'd be happy to do so. U do get a 20% discount if the code is published under an AGPL licence.
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It's not, the needles or whatever are way to consistent, even in the darker areas. AI would have fucked all that up
Also, it's a basement well window, I have one of these as well. So OP would be standing on the side of the window in his house and the pinecone is on the other side in the fire escape well
Think of it like looking into a really big terrarium
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Lol yea, because constantly spreading Russian propaganda like Ukraine being a Nazi regime or NK actually being really good and definitely not a brutal dictatorship is totally healthy for the Fediverse LMAO
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I'm not gonna lie, guys, neither say the opposite: there are people who play in their phones, I bet you do, so do I. I'm curious to know what do you play in your phones, what kind of "phone gamer" are you. Remember PDAs? The only games that things had were mineswipper, solitaire, chess, sudoku among others. All those are games that perfectly use the touch capabilities of its device, but now, we have more process capacity, and we still have one touch screen (I know, you can touch many points of the screen at the same time). I've always seen the screen of my phone as a one big button, so, I can't play any game that needs more than one touch to be played. I do limit my catalogue of games to those mentioned above, and I really like them. I love sudoku.
A review of Nix/NixOS after using it on all my machines for three years. I'll cover what works, what doesn't, and why it's the first OS that's stuck with me.
This is a well-written post. I agree that “friction” involved with small changes and incompatibility with some Linux binaries are significant downsides. I think NixOS makes a lot of sense for development environments, but it’s not my preference for a personal device
I like the idea of nixos, but I feel like it makes a bunch of daily sacrifices in order to optimize a task I do once every few years? I hardly ever get a new computer, but I install/uninstall/update/tweak packages on my system all the time. With a dotfile manager and snapshots, I get most of the benefit without any of the drawbacks.
I'm always on the go, swapping PCs, travelling for medical reasons. Buy, sell, trade hardware. Nix allows me to boot into my system as if I never left with a simple hardware config update script. Rock solid consistency.
Is your hardware always the exact same? Because if it isn't, then I'm sure you have to do modifications to your config file. And at that point you night as well just use a regular distro instead.
So what the main hassle of switching is that you have to run your hardware file to update for your new hardware, then inside your Nix config rarely will I ever have to edit things (maybe UUIDS if totally new machine fresh nix install/but I usually ssd swap for ease of transition and speed, or even clonezilla multiple drives and use as needed) even drivers for example. I've got auto scripts setup to run that will automatically pull any drivers or updates from the base system nix update to any drivers.
There's really only two files you ever have to touch that I've used. Nix hardware, nix config. Once hardware is updated for which system you on you'll never touch that until you boot a new machine with different hardware. If you setup nix how it's supposed to be. Nix config is your master file. A single backup of that and when setup correctly. I can boot like I never left my machine. I'm talking librewolf still has my accounts open and logged in. VPN works. It's all seamless damn near.
You have to learn to play within nixos sandbox meaning understand what your capable of doing and do it all inside config. With a few auto scripts, and 3 or 4 common commands on desktop page for whatever you wanna do and its terminal and memory hands off. I've what I call dumb Monkey commented my entire config and its in order if boot process from power on machine to boot, etc to shutdown.
A regular distro still poses many many more challenges when hardware swapping. You have different files to remember fstab, etc etc which can lead to mental memory load and system clutter if you didn't build and maintain a perfect system from the beginning with stuff like files, sym links, all sorts if tweaks you've made over time.
So I switched to nix to mitigate those things. Now I've made a master config file copy, auto updates, backups, etc is all automated in the background now. All contained in my nix config. It's supremely stable. Mental load is zero. Fills my use case. Immutable.
You have nothing to lose and only to gain. Pick any desktop environment and setup to your liking. I came from windows, to mint, to full custom nix all my apps, browsers, luks, apparmour, firejail, the whole stack.
I've tried live boots of many other distributions but this is the cleanest, leanest, most manageable of them all. My only true concern is project lasting long-term. For now. Aside from not having GUFW. I'm happy. I think there's just a lot if misinfo and lack of hands on use from most people or incorrectly setup systems to utilize how nix should be ran. I think that should iron out over time.
You can manage multiple machines with a single Nix configuration git repository and modularize the configuration as much as you want. You can have a config with a desktop environment that you skip on servers, override individual variables for a specific host or do whatever you want. You can even remote deploy it all with a simple nixos-rebuild build --target-host "user@host" and it works across different architectures too (e.g. build on your fast x86 machine and deploy to a slow RaspberryPi).
Loved nixOS but couldn't install PIA VPN gui and disliked the workarounds. Also doing .net dev was more awkward than I liked so went back to Arch and wrote some scripts to install all the packages I want instead. Love the idea of nixOS though.
I feel like setting up a new machine is just the easiest to explain.
Personally, I find dotfiles messy, as you often just want to change one or two settings, but you always carry along the whole file with all kinds of irrelevant other settings. This also makes it impractical to diff two versions of those dotfiles, especially when programs write semi-permanent settings into there.
I guess, your mileage will vary depending on what programs or desktop environment you use. For example, I love KDE, but they really don't do a good job keeping the config files clean. Nix Plasma-Manager generally fixes that, and for example allows defining the contents of the panel in a readable form.
I think you over complicating your view here. I daily nix. Your not carrying a bunch if dot files. You have one. A single nix. Config. That's it. It's not big, long, messy, what so ever. I have mine commented by section from boot order to auto updates and backups. Your talking about 150 lines of extremely short and almost self explanatory code. I came from mint having never used nix. I figured it out doing a custom luks install and the whole custom build from scratch in no time.
Your diff issue is overblown. The edits you make are small and you cannot get lost in multiple configs unless your doing entire system writes which you would never do. I use a dead light weight diff GUI or terminal. This has to be one if the cleanest, maintenance free distros I have ever used.
It doesn't seem you have truly driven Nix with this take. No program writes directly to your config, even if there was say your temp scenario you reboot and temps would wipe away like you never did them unless you rebuild nix config. Most of your concerns would fall away once you really drove nix to see how it functions.
Yeah, you understood my comment entirely the wrong way around. When I say "dotfiles", I mean the non-Nix way of managing application configurations. Nix Home-Manager happens to write to these dotfiles, but that means I don't have to deal with the dotfiles myself.
I've used nixos exclusively lately. It's been awesome. No system scatter, clutter. It'd immutable. There's very slight driver hassle (you don't have GUI for drivers so a simple terminal command fetches everything you need.) in cinnamon. I came from mint. I have all basic commands in executable files on desktop for ease of hassle. It's not about rebuilding the system. Its about being hands off. Next to zero maintenance because not much in your system gets altered. I went for a full custom install from terminal. The only thing I personally miss being GUI is a firewall like UFW or GUFW.
Overall its more rock solid and workable than likely every distro I have ever tried. The feature set is nice, easy rollbacks, fucking cake backups. All you have to know is your entire system lives on one small editable file called nix. Configuration. Keep it in a micro SD or USB or any backup and it's as if you never left. Any changes you want you simply tweak in the config then reboot. If it breaks then select your previous gen number on boot and your exactly where you was before.
I diff my edits and keep copies, run auto backups, and more. It's so hands off that I haven't found a better replacement yet. My single biggest concern is long-term viability in the project.
This is a good example of what people consistently overlook/misunderstand, when it comes to Nix.
Obviously you can remount a /home, or just pull the dotfiles from a personal repo, but the strength of Nix is also in that I can re-create my entire config exactly how it is defined. If i were to setup a machine completely from scratch, with a mature enough config, it will get me from 0 to my exact desktop completely unattended.
But there are also many more advantages to it, at least in my eyes. Let's take trying/tweaking new packages as an example. Yesterday I pulled an old repo for an Outer Wilds mod. The thing needs a dev environment, and a mod manager for the actual game. A nix shell got me both, I finished my work, and when I exit out of fish, both are gone, just as I wanted them to be.
Another good example would be partial os updates. I've used Arch for almost 9 years before switching to Nix, and pretty much a top3 Arch rule is not doing partial updates, or partial rollbacks. In case of a breakage, I would have to manually redownload an older version of a tarball, pacman -U the package, and then hope i'm not cooked. In the case of gcc incompatibilities, it can quickly become a massive pain in the ass. My nix flake would never experience this problem, because I already have two different scenarios available - either i build based on an older lockfile from my git repo, or I create an overlay for a specific input I need, so that it still pulls what it needs, and doesn't interfere with the rest of my system
You only have one machine? I benefit from sharing configs between the laptop and the desktop. They are not the same, but I can easily copy paste a complex service I defined in my desktop to do the same thing on my laptop
I have a desktop, laptop, and a few VMs and servery things. Dotfile manager (yadm, which is a git wrapper) to sync personal settings, everything else I just do manually. The system-level configs are either different enough that standardizing them isn’t very helpful, or no more complicated than installing packages and activating services.
Personally, the stepping stone I needed to know about is Nix Home-Manager, which basically allows you to manage your dotfiles independent of the distro. From what I understand, if I do switch to NixOS, I'll continue using this code with just some minor tweaks.
But yeah, I agree with the verdict in the post. I like it a lot, but I would not have made it past the initial learning curve, if I didn't happen to be a software engineer. Sysadmins will probably be able to figure out how to put it to use, too. But it's just not for non-technical Linux users.
Untrue. I came from windows, to Linux mint, then now I daily nix. I'm an average person who prefers to be terminal hands off. I did a full custom install from my mint setup to nix, apps, luks, the entire swap and booted as if I never left basically. I faltered a few times and had to select previous generations in my boot menu but honestly it'd because somehow I fucked up my UUIDs. The learning curve is there but let me assure you it's minimal in terms of linux, and it's dead stable because nothing changes without you doing it. In 1000 years it should still be running Unadultered.
Meanwhile me as a barbarian installing Debian and copying my ~/.bashrc file (and a few others) if not just remounting /home/ in the new installation every few years.
The biggest downside to containers vs. Nix for me is that Nix can produce binaries for Linux and macOS, whereas docker only helps with Linux unless you can perform literal magic to cross-compile your project on Linux for macOS.
Containers also don't give you reproducible environments, and Nix does.
That said, Nix documentation is ass, so I usually end up going with containers because they require far less suffering to get working because writing a containerfile is much easier than guessing how to hobble together a Nix flake with a mostly undocumented language.
Skipped to the "ugly" part of the article and I kind of agree with the language being hard?
I think a bigger problem is that it's hard to find "best practices" because information is just scattered everywhere and search engines are terrible.
Like, the language itself is fairly simple and the tutorial is good. But it's a struggle when it comes to doing things like "how do I change the source of a package", "how do I compose two modules together" and "how do I add a repo to a flake so it's visible in my config". Most of this information comes from random discourse threads where the responder assumes you have a working knowledge of the part of the codebase they're taking about.
I always aim at packages and issued inside my nix config cuts all this hassle out atleast for me.. Ive got everything pretty meticulously commented and in order of boot process and in general running step by step order. I'm pretty sure I dumb monkey could figure out how it runs. I came from windows then mint then nix. To give you an idea of my PC knowledge. I think the whole point if nix is to keep the system contained and not scattered. I see many posters mentioning system scatter on nix as an issue and I have no idea how theu managed to complicate one if the simplest systems I've ever used as far as clean, tidy, goes.
I've been stuck on Nix for two weeks because I thought it would be a good idea to put a distro I had never used but that wouldn't break on my backup laptop in case my main one ever broke. I just couldn't force myself to install debian, not that I have anything against debian, it's just... kinda boring, while Nix seemed very interesting. IT SEEMED LIKE A GOOD IDEA AT THE TIME I SWEAR.
Guess what happened... I broke Arch. Then I reinstalled and the next day the laptop broke. Then the next day I tried to get my data back and the hard drive broke. So, backup laptop with Nix for two weeks...
I really really really like the declarative stuff. Installing packages through config files is so nice I'll never lose track of what I've installed ever again 🥰 🥰 🥰 I was already using a git repo for all my config files + GNU Stow to symlink everything to its proper place, so adding the .nix configs to that setup was very easy.
Having a clean system on rebuild is great. No more clutter left everywhere that I don't know about, no more half broken stuff left lying around.
But... - It's not Arch. Not Nix's fault, but I kept hearing that it would be "like Arch but declarative"... and it's really not 😑 Everything seems over-complicated vs as simple as possible. - I absolutely hate the language. - What's with those error messages from hell??? - And speaking of hell, every language that can't just use indentations like YAML instead of cluttering the code with {} and [] and () should have been relegated to the darkest pit of hell 20 years ago. But points to Nix for being less awful than JSON (the comma on every line but not the last thingy make me want to build a time machine to go murder the grandparents of whoever thought it was a good idea) - Packages are out of date even in the unstable branch (I know it's unfair since it's not trying to be a rolling release... but... but...) - Where are the source packages? Is that an Arch only thing? I liked having packages that automatically use the latest git commit without needing to manually install from source and manually reinstall each time I want an update like a medieval peasant... 😭 - Nix packages are weird. Even someone who's terrible at coding like me can read Arch PKGBUILDS... I miss you Arch 😢 - Apps not working because of paths that don't exist on Nix... what do you mean I need to patch the package myself? 😭 But at least there's steam-run, great preserver of what's left of my sanity. - ~~Can't wrap my head around installing some stuff like VSCode extensions (the advice I got was "don't bother just do it imperatively...)~~ (Edit: Finally figured it out!!!) - Wiki is often sparse on info and not very helpful if you don't already know what you are doing (and I clearly don't 😅) - Hidden configs. Some stuff works on its own like pipewire even though I haven't installed or configured it (I went with a minimal install that just gave me a tty then build from there, no DE), and how it's already configured is not in the default config files. It's very confusing not knowing why some stuff works and how it's configured by default.
But it's kinda growing on me. Like mold. Or cancer. Brain cancer.
Yes it's a headache if you don't have a clue what you're doing and suck at coding like me, but the good parts might make the headache worth it depending on what you want of your distro. A week ago I couldn't wait to get a new laptop to reinstall Arch, but now I'm actually wondering if I should keep trying Nix... OH GOD HAVE I CAUGHT THE NIX BRAIN CANCER? 😭
I'm just seeing your comment after I recommended Guix, that I could read and understand Guile Scheme is what made me hop away from NixOS, the nixlang is an ungrokable mess
I'm not a fan of nested parenthesis... but aside from that I don't know much about the language, is it more convenient? Does it also suffer from the error messages from hell problem?
Guix is a distribution of the GNU operating system.
Guix is technology that respects the freedom of computer users.
You are free to run the system for any purpose, study how it
works, improve it, and share it with the whole world.
That is something you can't quite escape in Nix either. While it doesn't use parenthesis like a Lisp, the nature of the language and the depths of the sets you are dealing with still makes you end up getting a lot of this at the end of your files:
];
};
};
};
}
Having one } too many or too few is a pretty common issue with Nix and feels very similar to Lisp, even when the rest of the language is quite different.
While some people love putting Lisp in everything, I really don't get it. Guix is far uglier than Nix in the language department. Scheme is not a configuration language and thus has none of the nice things that Nix has (multi-line string handling, defaults, lazy evaluation, inline expression, etc.), instead you get multiple levels of macro spaghetti. Furthermore, Guix forces you to turn everything into Scheme, where you can just use plain Bash in your Nix build steps, in Guix that is all Scheme.
I had spent a lot of years with Scheme before starting with Guix and then spend quite a few years with that, but even after all that switching to Nix just felt so much better instantly. Instead of trying to hack a DSL onto of Scheme you just get a language that's actually build for the task.
But points to Nix for being less awful than JSON (the comma on every line but not the last thingy make me want to build a time machine to go murder the grandparents of whoever thought it was a good idea)
Packages are out of date even in the unstable branch (I know it’s unfair since it’s not trying to be a rolling release… but… but…)
Sure, some packages are outdated. But in terms of percentage of up-to-date packages, it's (AFAIK) the best out of any distro repo. And that's perhaps even more impressive of a feat when realizing it also sports the biggest repo. For actual stats: repology.org/repositories/stat…
Wait how does Nix Unstable have a better score than the AUR? With four times less maintainers? That's really impressive, especially considering how much more simple Arch packages are to make.
Nix has more up to date packages than most distros have packages in total. There's a bot that goes around updating them automatically if they are from github. Maybe there's an issue with your package?
It's reproducible, so random updates are a no-no. You can however just dump the Git URL in your flake.nix inputs and then override the src of the package with that. The source gets updated when you do nix flake update next time. Something like this:
Finally managed to enable VSCode extensions without doing it imperatively or using home manager I'm so happy I could cry 😭 😭 😭
It actually wasn't even that bad, I'm just terrible at understanding documentation I guess
(vscode-with-extensions.override {
vscodeExtensions = with vscode-extensions; [
bodil.blueprint-gtk # Gtk Bluprint language support
ms-vscode.makefile-tools # Makefile language support
bbenoist.nix # Nix language support
ms-python.python # Python language support
naumovs.color-highlight # Color Highlight
ms-azuretools.vscode-docker # Docker
donjayamanne.githistory # Git History
seatonjiang.gitmoji-vscode # Gitmoji
];
})
You absolutely do. If you build a container and publish it you will pull down that exact thing every time. How is that not "reproducibility"?
You no what though? Scratch that - who gives a fuck? Bit-for-bit reproducibility takes far more effort than it's worth anyway. Even NixOS isn't completely reproducible. It's a false goal.
For dev environments, repeatable is okay.
It's well more than good enough you mean.
If you want actually reproducible binaries that you can ship, Nix is better fit for that purpose.
with ansible, you are responsible for making sure that executing the described steps in the described order leads to the desired result
with nix, you describe what you want your system to look like, and then figuring out how to get there is nix's problem (or rather, is obvious to nix thanks to nixpkgs)
It's missing the fact that the nix store can be huge, even if garbage collected regularly. This prevents me from using nix on my Ubuntu laptop with limited HDD space.
I haven't had any issues thus far. But I have not used a lot of appimages. Usually I can find everything in nixpkgs, and those that I didn't all worked with appimages.
I'm not quite sure why you fetishise a bit-for-bit over semantic equivalence. Doesn't it turn "it works on my machine" into "it works on my machine as long as it has this sha: ... "?
Let me disagree there, the language is trivial. It's just JSON-lookalike with expressions, with a lot of nice touches that make using it much easier than all the alternatives (e.g. sane multi-line string handling, lazy evaluation, default values, powerful key/value sets, etc.). The only real stumbling for me when first encountering it was realizing that functions can only take a single argument (which can be a key/value set) and that functions are literally just : (e.g. (a: a + 5) 6 => 11). That's easily missed if you just look at a file without reading the documentation.
The thing that makes it hard is just the complexity of the actual package collection, your configuration contains literally your whole system, and it's not always obvious where to find the thing you need, since sometimes it's a plain package, sometimes it is a services.foobar.enable = true and sometimes you have to fiddle with override or other package specific things. Knowing that search.nixos.org/ exists is half the battle here.
There is also the lack of static typing that can lead to rather verbose error messages, but it's not like many other configuration formats have that either.
There are a few gnarly things about Nix, even for someone who's familiar with Haskell (the most similar language to Nix that's even close to mainstream).
Dynamic typing (you mention this briefly). Some people like the extra flexibility that dynamic typing gives, but there's a tradeoff: more errors. The thing is, due to NixOS's complicated structure, the traceback for an evaluation error might not give you any information about where the cause is (indeed, the traceback might not include a single line of your own code!). This makes errors unusually costly in NixOS specifically, so any language feature that causes more runtime errors automatically has a worse impact than it would in a more "normal" language.
The "standard library" (builtins) is extremely sparse. You basically have to depend on at least nixpkgs-lib if you want to get any real work done.
No real data abstraction mechanisms. No ADTs, no nominal types. The only composite types are attrsets and lists. The usual way to encode a custom type is as an attrset with a _type field or some such.
While we're at it, very limited pattern-matching.
Clunky list literal syntax: no commas between list elements. I can't tell you the number of times I've forgotten to surround list elements in parentheses.
Can anyone remember the rules for escaping ${ or ''? I have to look them up every time.
I'm not quite sure why you think pointing out someone's confidently incorrect claim that containers do give you reproducible environments means that I fetishsize anything?
But if you genuinely want to know why reproducibility is valuable, take a look at reproducible-builds.org/.
I was quite happy to see that Debian and Arch have both made great strides into making tooling that enables reproducible packages in recent times. It's probable that, because of efforts like this, creating reproducible builds will become easier/possible on most Linux environments, including traditional container workflows.
For now though, Nix Flakes are much better at enabling reproducible builds of your software than traditional containers, if you can suffer through Nix not being documented very well. This article covers some more details on different build systems and compares them with Nix Flakes if you want more concrete examples.
FWIW, I think that containers are awesome, and using them for dev environments and CI tooling solves a lot of very real problems ("it works on my machine", cheap and easy cross-compilation for Linux systems, basic sandboxing, etc.) for people. I use containers for a lot of those reasons. But if I need to make something reproducible, there are better tools for the job.
I really want to like Nix. The idea of declaratively defining my entire system sounds great. I can manage it with Git and even have multiple machines all look the same. I can define my partititioning once and magically get a btrfs disk working. Wow!
But I find the language confusing no matter how many times people say it's easy. I have a lot of experience with other programming languages so maybe it just doesn't mesh. It also gives terrible error messages that are hard for me to understand. And Nixpkgs is unpredictable for what version I'm going to get. One of the services I installed ended up being a release candidate version which was a surprise. What if I don't want the latest version of Docker? How do I pin it? Do I have to duplicate part of Nixpkgs? It just feels like a monorepo where everybody has to be on the same versions. Why on earth do the Nix language docs start by introducing math expressions instead of here is a simple self contained thing that installs one program. Here's how you configure it. Here's how you expand. Why does the dependency graph seem to pull in so many unnecessary dependencies? For example, I tried to build a minimal Docker image (which Nix looks to be a very good fit for), but I couldn't figure out how to strip out dependencies that likely were only used during build for a dependency.
I still like the idea and have managed to get my server defined entirely with NixOS which is very cool, but I can't recommend this to my tech friends because if I'm confused they will be more so.
Generally true, but the ones out at our city park have totally rusted out underneath. Nobody's been pissing on them, they're just exposed to the weather.
If I remember later today, I might take a photo of the pair of water fountains at our park. The top stainless steel side looks perfectly fine, but the metal panel underneath both of them is totally rusted out. I'm pretty sure they disabled/disconnected both of them.
Not sure where I might post the photo though, guess I might post under Nowhere Else To Post.. 🤷
So they’re copying Dave and Busters by trying to become what they should have stayed to begin with.
Not gonna work. Dave and Busters is terrible.
But get some cool animatronic shows, .25 cent arcade games from the 80s- 90s, maybe even a few amusement center rides like the old Scandia centers had (go karts, suspended rides, bumper boats, mini golf). THAT would be worthwhile.
It'll work. Millennial nostalgia is a cash cow. There are multiple arcade bars in my area that seem to do pretty well.
...actually, rereading the article, I don't see that they'll serve alcohol. Or food at all, for that matter. And it looks like they're building them out of empty mall tenancies.
I go to a local arcade bar all the time (hubs loves Stepmaniax), I see tons of parents taking their kids there. There's usually people in the bar area if you don't go at like, 11 am. It honestly seems like a great business plan, new and classic arcade games, catered to both children and their parents simultaneously?
Back in 2003, I was qualified for a lousy $28 a month in Food Stamps, as long as I came in twice a week for their work program.
It cost more for the gasoline to make it to their work program than the benefits offered. It's cheaper to sit on my ass than to qualify for SNAP. And that was way before the orange man.
@cm0002 You know there is the "safety net" and then there is the "I don't want to work net", and way too many people are on the latter and the country is suffering for it.
The Logitech Options+ offline installer enables users as well as ITDMs to install the software to computers that do not have access to the internet (or are on an air-gapped network). It shares all ...
The Fediverse Passport would be the central account for all users on the Fediverse.
How it would work
a. Upon signing up for the a platform on the Fediverse the user would be redirected to the "Create your Passport" You would create your unique username. Once signed up you would then have an account on every platform connected to the Fediverse.
b. If someone friends/follows you on one platform they would automatically follow you on all platforms. Insuring that communities and friends could stay connected across platforms.
c. The passport for the user would show your feed on all platforms and allow you to selected which platform you want to see your feed from, also allowing you to directly search your content so you could find a post for whatever reason you need.
d. For the subscriber it would show them your feed and allow them to easily find your content.
e. Tons of customization options including the ability to monetize and or set a subscription fee for the video, blogging, and other "arts" platforms.
Safe Guards
You would be allowed to set your privacy setting to, Public, Subscribers Only, Approve Subscribers, Mutual Friends only, Private (Requires link)
Benefit
Would allow stream less interaction across the whole Fediverse and really get it going. No more having to create a different account on each platform and now you can claim an identity and keep track of your communities, also each site would directly help "advertise" the others.
A passport in the way described here doesn't need to be centralised. Your profile could link to your other profiles through metadata, rather than a centralised system.
It's not a matter of how ones profile would be accessed, but how it would be created in the first place snd how it would be managed.
Necessarily, those who implement the creation of accounts have control over how they're created, who is allowed to create them and how they will be handled after creation.
Any scheme to establish one "central" (your own term) account for the entire fediverse will necessarily be managed by one "central" service, which means one "central" authority over account creation and management
And no, a central account doesn't require a central service, it just requires amendments to the protocols to allow for a decentralised identity. Nostr, bluesky, etc all work that way. Nostr is full of nazis and bitcoin bros, and bluesky is effectively centralised in other ways, but both of them do have a genuinely decentralised single identity system.
There are a few ways of doing it. A single account on the first platform, and then signing up to remote platforms with that account. A system of trust that allows a user to verify that other remote accounts are genuinely also them. Combine it with platforms that recognise content posted from other accounts/platforms that belong to the same person, and let them edit the "remote" content locally and federate it out again etc.
So you don't end up with a centralised identity, but rather, the ability to manage your identity from whichever instance you happen to be signed in to as if it were created locally on that instance.
And further - the establishment of a single, fediverse-wide account for each user would make it far too easy for those so inclined to silence anyone they wanted merely by banning their one and only account.
It could have several even as many as 100 different people with part of the key to access the center point for the passports so that any decisions would have to be unanimous and would keep things purely being monitored for technological updates.
Unless what you are describing involves some type of Decentralized Identifier, let's please stay away from any solution that depends on a single point of failure.
I am not quite sure how this works - where is my "passport" created? On a centralized platform? What if I want to have different accounts on different instances?
Ideally on a platform similar to Gmail in its decentralized nature but connected to the fediverse and accessable through the main fediverse website as well.
We could allow for duplicate username with a unique 10 digit code identifier allowing you to adjust your privacy settings for each platform.
I like the concept, but personally I see the decentralised nature of the Fediverse as a benefit rather than a hindrance, and moving all identity functionality to a centralised system would create more problems than it solves.
Suddenly you'll have a single point of failure for the entire Fediverse. A very appetising target for hackers and DDOS attacks.
An alternative that's in the spirit of your idea would be to allow for auth delegation, i.e. if you sign in with an Activitypub ID rather than a plain username, redirect to that instance to sign in then redirect back to the instance you started from, auth token in hand.
The nice thing about this approach is it's basically just OAuth 2. It's familiar, simple to implement and built in to a lot of web frameworks already. The only extra step would be advertising the server's auth URL via the nodeinfo endpoint, which is fairly trivial to do.
It's like everyone forgot about open ID but also having accounts tied to the an instance is not the problem with good export and import. Communities are what we need to have abstraction on just like IRC if I go to @games i should see threads from all instances on the network. Just like everyone in an IRC network can talk in the same channel even though they connect on different IRC servers.
What Fediverse could use was some kind of equivalent of Linktree. "Here's my personal accounts on Fediverse. Here's some related to my projects. Here's some other random links."
Because currently I'm like "maybe check out my Mastodon profile, it has links" - it works, kinda, but I'm not sure it's the best solution. For example, you could include support for this in the fedi software, so once you specify where your link page is, it'd pull the links and show them on your profile.
...I know, this would be too beautiful for this world and it'd get run over by spammers. But for glorious few days we'd have sensible Fediverse profiles! Think about it!
There is also KeyOxide with solves part of it via cryptographic verification and I believe some fediverse platforms already support it: codeberg.org/keyoxide
These controllers were all working on SteamOS before as far as I know, so I'm interested to see what this changes. My understanding is that previously their controllers just show up as generic xbox controllers, and now they will be properly recognized. We'll see if this has any other benefits like custom bindings for back buttons and things like that.
My former cat Lilly sits on the couch, watching as the iron flakes take on various forms as they rain down onto the magnet and she gently taps the glass while yhe tilts her head and then her body.
Russian base metals sales to China surged in the first five months of 2025, underscoring its economic dependence on its Asian neighbor even as the country seeks to diversify trade.
If you mean the classic black ball with a wick, they were pretty much hollow cannonballs filled with gunpowder and a wick. You'd light the wick, run, and the gunpowder would explode, flinging shards of cannonball everywhere.
Though in Zelda bombs are a plant. They just grow like that. There are also enemies that are bombs, and magic exists to create bombs. All of which have been used as canon explanations for the bombs in the games.
Early humans already had mountain streams, which are refreshing as fuck in summer (or year round for the tropics, or winter for south africa). And Africa is actually pretty mountainous, it's kind of an issue for infrastructure development.
Hope this corporate centrist right bootlicker loses the vote. She undermined YEARS of progress that we painfully made within the EU. Her and the EPP need a reminder who is their actual priority when designing policy.
I don't like her, either, but the vote was initiated by a far righter (i.e. a corporate far right bootlicker), and I rather doubt that we'll get a new commission president who is more progressive than her, considering the current balance of power in the EU parliament.
Nearly every Friday night for the last 3 years I’ve done bad movie night with friends in vrchat. This week it’s Slaughter Day (followed immediately with a good movie, Team America)
I know that "females" is seen as icky when describing women or girls, but since not all women were born female and not all born females are women, would that make addressing them as such transphobic?
In most situations, it would be rather strange to refer to a trans man as "female". Might get away with it if it's specifically about their chromosomes and you're writing a scientific text about that, but that doesn't really come up that often.
It's done all three, more or less in that very order.
Initially, modern tech was a progressive tool, helping immensely with science, mathematics, and documenting history and literature.
Then it became commonplace, everyone and their grandma has the internet, posting their random brainfarts, cat memes and fails of the day.
Now we're digressing, people using AI left and right, while simultaneously losing their own critical thinking skills, and also finding it harder and harder to double check anything without running into another AI brick wall.
Yes I realize your question is more about how tech has affected civilization. Technology has always been affecting civilization, so its done all three, evolved us, stagnated (I think peak useful tech and functioning generally happy civilization stagnated around 2014), and has been regressing since.
I myself don't see progress as a technical thing, but rather technology as something that could help us overcome our animalistic traits in order to enable us to live together in a good, forward-looking way. I mean, of all the mammals in the world, we are the best at building tools, but I wonder if we are making the most of this or if, despite all our tools, we are ultimately incapable of overcoming our instincts.
I don't know the answer any more than anyone else. However, your answer, which I share, suggests that despite all our technological achievements, we are not evolving significantly, but remain trapped in our animal nature.
Think about it for just a few moments. When our ancient ancestors figured out how to make fire, rather than carry it around in a sled thanks to a lightning strike, everything changed...
Humans are nice to each other as long as they can afford it. Limit their access to clean water and food and they will turn into bloodthirsty monsters, like any animal will do.
When I use /etc/fstab to automount an SMB share using CIFS, I cannot unmount it without root privileges. If I mount it manually (as a non-privileged user), everything works just fine.
Also, an application I mount the share for (Pika Backup, based on borg) cannot access backups unless I unmount the share with root privileges and then mount it back manually.
A respective line in /etc/fstab is: //address/directory /mnt/backup cifs credentials=...,user,auto,iocharset=utf8 0 2
Highlighted user option to make it clear I didn't forget it.
user makes it so that any user can mount, but only the same user can unmount. Meaning, since root is mounting it on boot, root has to be the one to unmount it, too.
users allows any user to mount, and any user to unmount.
Not sure what's on going with Pika. Who mounts the share shouldn't matter, as the folder permissions should be the same regardless.
It worked, you nailed it! So, the problem was that with automount it was root that was mounting, which ended up breaking permissions. As a result, I could not unmount the drive, and Pika couldn't do backups. After setting the uid, it started to work properly as it began mounting under my name. As such, changing user to users was not required. But now I know the difference, so thank you anyway!
Ah. That's right. You need to use the uid as the network share doesn't have permissions the way a local partition would. Normally it's unneeded, as the drive, folder and file permissions are set on the drive, and those are the ones that matter once it is mounted.
Note that the uid only sets access permissions. It does not actually mount the share as you, so you'll still need to be root to unmount it, unless you change user to users.
Since it’s the summer and temperatures are hot in the south, I’ll sleep in either 19 or 20. During the winter, I’ll wear 3 or 4 (Boys boxers are comfy to me lol). As a mom, If I’m wearing 19 or 20 I’ll usually keep a cotton tee on standby in case my preteen son knocks on my door in the middle of the night.
I live almost exactly on the opposite side of the planet from Australia; I just prefer to be cold - especially while sleeping.
Also, did you edit your earlier comment? I could've sworn I replied to one that said "Even in the winter?" But now it mentions long pants being an option, and there's no icon indicating it was edited. Just wondering, because someone mentioned a similar situation (a comment they replied to being different) recently.
You are right, my apologies. Thats a platform for watching videos just like youtube. But it works in a completly diferent way, similar to torrent. Because its goal is to bring content freedom. The problem with youtube is that they directly decide what people can record and what is forbiden. If you make content that youtube doesnt like, first he will hide it so wery small amount of people can see it, second they will demonetise you, and third they will delete your video and your whole channel at the end. Just because you wanted to spread the truth. Thats why lbry is created, they call it content freedom. 😀
As a concept it's something I find really cool but as of now I think something like PeerTube is better if you have to self host and easier to be moderated by a community
Well you are hosting videos that are on lbry but its done automaticly, its not something that you have to do manyaly. You just enter the desktop aplikacion and watch videos. And rest is done on itsown. Videos that you watched you are now hosting for others to watch and thats it. You just set how much memory you want to allow app to use, so it doesnt fill up your drive and thats it.
And if you are content creator you host your videos just at first so couple of people can see them, and after that people are watching and hosting your videos vithout you doing anything.
For example hardware unboxed is posting its videos on lbry so i prefer to watch him there. But there are many other interesting people there, because they are avare of youtubes censorship. And there are many videos that cannot be posted on youtube, but we are free to watch them on lbry.
Die Meinungen, ob 35 Grad und mehr sehr schönes Wetter sind, gehen auseinander. Der FDP-Vorsitzende Christian Dürr freut sich über hohe Temperaturen und schießt gegen die Grünen. Damit zieht er jedoch nicht nur deren Zorn auf sich.
Der vor wenigen Wochen ins Amt gewählte FDP-Chef Christian Dürr hat am Dienstag mit einem Kommentar zum Wetter auf der Plattform X einen Shitstorm ausgelöst. "Liebe Grüne, es nervt! Hört bitte auf, bei Hitze im Sommer (und bei Regen) eure gesamte Klimaerzählung zu posten. Wir haben gerade, wie man früher sagte, sehr schönes Wetter", schrieb der Bundesvorsitzende. Es gebe den Klimawandel und man müsse gegensteuern, "Populismus bringt uns aber nicht zum Ziel", so Dürr.
Auf der A29 bei Oldenburg und der K415 bei Bad Sachsa ist es am Dienstag wegen der Hitze zu Schäden an der Fahrbahn gekommen. Die Straße zwischen Bad Sachsa und Steina ist regelrecht weggeschmolzen.
So ein "Blow-Up" wäre auf einer Landebahn äußerst gefährlich, heißt es vom Flughafen in Hannover. Damit dies dort gar nicht erst passiert, waren dort dem Airport zufolge am Mittwoch Tankwagen im Einsatz. Diese fuhren demnach zwischen den Starts und Landungen die Landebahn entlang und kühlten den 50 Grad heißen Asphalt mit Wasser ab.
Was zum Fick machen dann Flughäfen in heißeren Regionen?
Es gibt wohl unterschiedliche Asphaltmischungen für unterschiedliche Temperaturen. Das Problem ist, dass die Bandbreite begrenzt ist - das, was bei 40° nicht schmilzt, geht dann im Winter bei -20° kaputt (unsere Winter werden zwar auch wärmer, aber man tauscht ja nicht jeden Straßenbelag alle 5 Jahre komplett aus). Die meisten heißeren Regionen haben keine kalten Winter. Aber kp was man bei kontinentalem Klima macht, wo die Temperaturunterschiede immer schon größer waren - vielleicht ganz auf Asphalt verzichten, rumpelt dann halt mehr wenn man nur Beton hat?
During a press conference on Tuesday, July 1, Homeland Security Secretary Kristi Noem claimed that a cannibal on an ICE deportation flight "started to eat himself."
It still starts the KDE session, but it's probably on another term output. Hit ALT+F1 and see if it shows, but it depends on the distro, so it could F1, F6, F7...etc
F1 is just a blank conosle with a blinking curses and you can't type anything into it. F2/3/4 open a new terminal from where I can log in, but none seem to have a KDE session running. Gotta check out the other F keys. Just in case none of the work, is there a solution you know of?
You're probably on a laptop and have multiple GPUs enabled at the same time. If not, you're defining Nvidia drivers with something trying to be smart about when to enable the actual outputs or not.
You can either make sure to have the display turned on, or make it super clear to the drivers to always enable a display regardless of whether it detects a display.
When I turn my laptop on while external monitors are connected, Plasma doesn’t start and SDDM just shows an unresponsive black screen with a cursor. I’m using integrated intel graphics on Wayland, openSUSE Tumbleweed, Plasma 6.0.
I should have provided more details about my setup, but I was kinda hoping that it turns out to be trivial. I am on a desktop PC, AMD gpu, Mesa drivers, one 1440p monitor. Nothing special about the setup. I'll have a look at the URL you provided and try a few things tomorrow.
No probs! I checked all the F-keys and non have the session initialized. The logs say that SDDM segfaulted. That's the last message. I typed it out in the commend above if you want to take a look.
Boot log/kernel/dmesg, X/Wayland/kde primarily. Been a long time since I've had to troubleshoot something like this so I don't know the new kids on the block. Maybe upstart or dracut? Whatever manages the boot process now
I checked the logs and can't find anything interesting. I am not that knowlagable so you'll have to forgive me. I used journalctl -b -k to get the log from the current boot and piped it into grep for searching. There is no mention of kde, x11, xorg or wayland. Ok, editing this while typing. SDDM is segfaulting. I have no idea what that is, but another comment mentioned it. The message reads sddm-greeter-qt(1387): segfault ar 1b .... libLayerShellQtInterface.so.6.4.1... Guess that's the issue?
Yeah that might be it. Sddm is a display manager, you might be using it for your login screen.
You might be able to work around it by just setting the service to restart automatically, so that it comes up properly once a display is attached. But if you can, I would try reproducing it on a fresh and fully updated install, and open a bug report to the maintainers if you can. Linux developers generally try to make really sure their programs don't crash like that.
Had the same problem on fedora (no issue on bazzite, nobara, or arch). First time it was xwayland that kept crashing without a display present for some reason, second time I never solved since I was distro hopping the fedora family of distros but it seemed to be a problem with SDDM
Yarr citizens of the high seas! The Stop Killing Games movement is still ongoing and we've recently had a second wind. It's within reach!
We're all lovers of media in here, and games currently have no safeguard that guarantees that they won't be locked down long after being released and abandoned. If crackers help us, they can still be played long into the future, but many times there isn't such a possibility, specially in multiplayer games.
This initiative seeks to change that by mainly: - Disallowing planned obsolesce in paid video games. (Ex: By disallowing phone-home based DRM after the game reaches end of life. Like in Ubisoft's The Crew) - Ensuring that paid multiplayer games can still be reasonably played long into the future. (Ex: By releasing relevant server hosting software)
If you didn't sign yet, there is only one month left. Tell your friends too.
Let's say you're company x budgeting y millions to make a game, after this passes, you may want to account for the fact that the EU may legislate the issue in the years it takes you to develop your game. Might as well work on compliance in advance.
I will be so pissed if this gets 1 million signatures and they just hand-wave it away, which is entirely possible, but it's still worth signing this anyway.
EU has done some legislation on microtransactions, the most recent one being mandatory real-life currency price tags instead of the in-game currency ones.
It could be seen as a gambling issue rather than digital ownership, but it at least means they pay attention to video games.
Recently, I've found myself walking several friends through what is essentially the same basic setup: - Install Ubuntu server - Install Docker - Configure Tailscale - Configure Dockge - Set up automatic updates on Ubuntu/Apt and Dockge/Docker - Self-host a few web apps, some publicly available, some on the Tailnet.
After realizing that this setup is generally pretty good for relative newcomers to self-hosting and is pretty stable (in the sense that it runs for a while and remains up-to-date without much human interference) I decided that I should write a few blog posts about how it works so that other people can set it up for themselves.
That's reasonable, however, my personal bias is towards security and I feel like if I don't push people towards automated updates, they will leave vulnerable, un-updated containers exposed to the web. I think a better approach would be to push for backups with versioning. I forgot to add that I am planning a "backups with Syncthing" article as well, I will take this into consideration, add it to the article, and use it as a way to demonstrate recovery in the event of such an issue.
I'll start. pokemon. doesn't matter if the game's old or new I just can't get into how it plays. idk the gameplay just gets old to me pretty quickly, palworld is an upgrade in every way tbh
It's important for devices to have internet connectivity so the manufacturer can patch remote exploits.
Transcript:
[A store salesman, Hairy, is showing Cueball a dehumidifier, with a "SALE" label on it. Several other unidentified devices, possibly other dehumidifier models, are shown in the store as well.]
Salesman: This dehumidifier model features built-in WiFi for remote updates. Cueball: Great! That will be really useful if they discover a new kind of water.
I just shopped for a humidifier, purposely avoided anything "smart", I ended up with a really fucking simple one, it has a hydrostat and can aim to automatically reach a level you want (40-50-60), has 4 speed,1,2,3,auto and sleep.
And the whole thing is nothing else just a wicking filter sitting in water that has a fan pointed at it, I think Technology Connectios would be proud of my purchase.
I will have to disinfect and change filters, but no need for distilled water like with ultrasonic humidifiers, and I boil my water and let it cool back to room temperature before adding it to the humidifier, hopefully that will help with staving off build up of bacteria
Some quick news about the Long-form Text project at the Social Web Foundation. After the publication of the draft FEP b2b8 (“Long-form Text”), the Social Web Foundation has been working with implementers to get more support for the Article data type, repr
Some quick news about the Long-form Text project at the Social Web Foundation. After the publication of the draft FEP b2b8 (“Long-form Text”), the Social Web Foundation has been working with implementers to get more support for the Article data type, representing multi-paragraph text on the Fediverse.
One of the big pain points has been how subscribers to long-form text from platforms like WordPress, WriteFreely, Plume and Ghost.org see the text in their microblogging platforms like Mastodon or Threads. Often, the data is abbreviated or misformatted. FEP b2b8 is, in part, a way to improve and standardize this problem.
The participants in the project are aiming to have better standards support from both publishers and consumers over the next few months, so I’m optimistic that other platforms will see similar improvements.
As soon as Mastodon redirects all comments with more than one paragraph back to their original site rather than displaying them inline (in other words, makes them type 'Article' and treats them just like they do 'Article' content from WordPress, Ghost, or Friendica), I'll turn on our "long-form content should be an Article" switch again. Until that day, it's going to be a Note.
mikedev@fediversity.site that's the eventual plan actually... The vision is Articles are sent with a Note preview that contains maybe a paragraph or two, and links back to the original article. Baby steps!
FWIW NodeBB has already turned on "federate top level posts as Articles".
How come when I try to create a new obs screen, it is black, whether or not i toggle off the visibility on Screen Capture and how do i get it to show the capture settings, like which monitor, or what portion of the screen, to be clear, the! first capture works, for some reason no other capture i try to create is letting me configure or display anything
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There's a multitude of things going on here probably, but you need some debug logs to find. My guess is because your machine probably has multiple GPUs enabled, it's picking the inactive one, or you have multiple portal methods install and it's choosing the wrong.
I have the hyprland portals installed, and the kde ones, due to some issue I had to explicitly install them so idk if that will mess with the way applications handle it, assuming not, and yes I have two gpus, one dgpu, and one igpu, the dgpu is directly connected to my hdmi, does OBS stuggle with 2 gpus? still, that sounds like it would be a issue with capturing the monitor managed by my igpu. Not a reason to stop a second pipewire capture.
What logs do you need? I provided some from running OBS but i assume it isnt enough, what logs should I collect, or is there a flag i need to run with OBS
Missed your logs link, but there's some hints in there.
You have both an Intel GPU and Nvidia GPU in that laptop, and it's selecting your Intel while trying to use Nvidia compatible settings. So you need to try and force everything to either work on Nvidia, or everything to work on Intel. It can't do both without splitting the settings per GPU, which I don't think is an option in OBS.
I tried nvidia-offload, as I set up PRIME awhile ago, it didnt help, here is the logs, if its useful: pastebin.com/CiJ4Zyjw
Idk if OBS would actually respect the GPU being handed to it, or if it'll do something weird with screen capture, its weird per-gpu settings is not a option with OBS, if this is a OBS bug, i can file a bug report. Hopefully it can be resolved here.
Well in that log, it actually DOES use the right GPU. There are some other errors you have going on in there though, like you seem to have AV1 encoding selected somewhere in your settings, but this RTX 3070 doesn't support AV1 encoding (on the fly) AFAIK.
Try launching the app this same, setting all your hardware encoding stuff back to defaults, then see if you can get it working. In these logs it IS picking up the second pipewire display, so that's good, but launch this way again without AV1 enabled then upload the logs again and let's see what's happening.
To add RTX 30XX series doesn't support AV1 encode, only decode, so any AV1 encoding would have to be done on the CPU (better to use h.264 or HEVC for hardware encode in OBS)
Geht so. Das Zimmerthermometer zeigt 27°C an, obwohl die Anlage seit 2 Stunden auf Volllast durchballert. Dachwohnung mit sehr großem Südfenster, und durch die schrägen Fenster mit Mittelscharnier kann man den Luftauslass meiner Monoblock-Klimaanlage nur sehr schlecht gegen die Außenluft abdichten. Sinnvolle Ausbauarbeiten, die von Handwerkern durchgeführt werden müssen, kann ich mir nicht leisten (sofern das Vermiety überhaupt zustimmen würde).
Ganz ohne Klimatisierung wäre das hier schon bei 30°C und Sonnenschein unbewohnbar.
Ist halt ein ähnliches Problem wie mit den Plastikabdichtungen, die man um das Fenster herum anbringen kann (z.B. sowas: amazon.de/Fensterabdichtung-Wa…) - meine Fenster sind im Winkel von ca. 45° angebracht (entsprechend der Dachschräge) angebracht (was einen Vorhang eher schwierig macht) und was man so an speziellen Klimaanlagen-Fensterabdichtungen kaufen kann, ist auf Fenster mit Scharnier an der Seite ausgelegt, die entweder nur nach innen oder nur nach außen öffnen statt zur Hälfte nach innen und zur Hälfte nach außen so wie meine. Und dann will man das Fenster ja nachts noch öffnen können, was bei den meisten Abdichtsystemen auch nicht so ganz einfach ist.
Klimagerät trotz Dachfenster: So wird´s dank simpler Fenster-Abdichtung auch im Dachgeschoss angenehm kühl Klimageräte sind heutzutage ein wichtiger Bestandteil für angenehme Raumtemperaturen, besonders während der heißen Sommermonate.
Article emphasizes the concept of "middleware". BlueSky inevitably gets more attention than the "Mastodon protocol" but there are some decent theoretical observations.
Decentralized platforms based on open protocols, such as Mastodon and Bluesky, have been designed from the ground up to prioritize user choice and agency—without needing permission from a corporate gatekeeper. This is most apparent on Bluesky
Tells you that you can take your social media back from big tech then casually recommends Bluesky. Gimme a break.
Also if you want your news free of the constant noise of social media, RSS still exists and it's still beautiful.
Tells you that you can take your social media back from big tech then casually recommends Bluesky. Gimme a break.
I generally agree but I still feel it's important to keep some perspective. Bluesky is not the solution but it's definitely progress compared to existing corporate platforms (because it has real fundamental differences - several articles posted here went into detail about this).
IMO the best argument against Bluesky is that it will suck up the oxygen for other, better, solutions. That's a fair theory but it seems to me that there's plenty of market share to go round right now. Everyone is still on the evil corporate platforms.
Big Tech doesn't run social media. It runs algorithmic advertising platforms.
The majority of people using algorithmic advertising platforms are not content creators, they're consumers (if you're reading this, you're probably not in the majority). They have no interest is active participation in "social media". They're in it for the entertainment, the distraction, the memes, the algorithm telling them what they should care about. You can't remove this feature and expect these users to find content for themselves.
You can argue the pros and cons all you want, your reasoning may be factual and altruistic, but you will not get a substantial portion of content consumers to migrate to platforms that require more effort. They know what they're signing up for. They have no interest in "reclaiming social media".
Bluesky and Mastodon are fantastic platforms that, in my opinion, revive some of the core tenants of social microblogging. But this is like comparing a bulletin board system (BBS) to the Yahoo! homepage. Some people want to be involved, some people want to be told.
One of these platforms offers a greater profit making opportunity than the other. If one allows people to make money and another does not, what's the motivation for the most influential of creators to embrace the latter? And then what's the motivation of the consumers to embrace a platform that lacks the most influential creators? (Again, if you're reading this, you likely aren't a member of the majority.)
Yeah, people are lazy as fuck. They don't want to curate their own content. Which is fine, people work hard and just want bread and circus at the end of the day. I think it's OK for like minded individuals to be present on better platforms though, makes it a little easier to communicate I think.
Atomkraftwerke brauchen große Mengen Kühlwasser. Doch wegen der Hitze sind die Flüsse zu warm. Nach Frankreich reagiert nun auch die Schweiz und fährt einen Reaktor herunter. Und es drohen weitere Abschaltungen.
Ich frag mich gerade: müssten Sollarkollektoren auch unter solchen Bedinungen abgeschaltet werden? Wie sieht es mit Geothermal-/Hydro-/Biomasse-/Windkraftwerken aus?
AKWs müssen gekühlt werden, weil das eben die Form von Energie ist, die in Atomreaktoren erzeugt wird (um Wasser in Dampf umzuwandeln, und dann mit dem Dampf Turbinen anzutreiben). Die Anlagen für photoelektrische (Solaranlagen) und kinetische (Windturbinen) Stromerzeugung müssen normalerweise überhaupt nicht gekühlt werden, entsprechend kann es auch nicht zu wenig Kühlwasser geben.
Solar/Wind und AKWs passen einfach so gut zueinander! Leider herrscht immer Leihenexpertise, wenn es um Grundentscheidungen geht. Die Vorteile und Potential der Ersten und die Gefahr der Zweiten, beide überschätzt.
Kühlwasser ist essenziell, ist seine Temperatur, die ziemlich egal ist. Was ich meine ist: wenn uns als Menschen zu heiß ist, bedeutet für einen AKW nichts.
Wohin sollen sie das hintun? Was tust du mit der Luft, die durch den Motorkühler durchströmt? Das Wasser dient als Wärmesenke, solange es kühler als der AKWs zu kühlenden Teile ist, entzieht Wärme.
Warum müssen sie es denn wegtun? Wenn es egal wäre wie warm es ist, könnten sie es im geschlossenen Kreislauf fließen lassen. Könnte es sein, dass warmes Kühlwasser (bzw. Kühldampf, wenn es warm genug wird) nicht mehr so gut kühlt?
Es gibt wirklich extrem viel Luft im Vergleich zu Flusswasser, und Vögel fallen normalerweise auch nicht tot um wenn sie mal über ein aufgeheiztes Gebiet (in diesem Fall die hypothetische Luftkühlung eines Kraftwerks) fliegen, sondern freuen sich über den Auftrieb. Gibt ja schon Kühltürme, scheinen nicht zum Massensterben von Vögeln zu führen.
Bis zu 13 Milliarden Kubikmeter Gas und viel Kritik: Die Erdgasförderung vor Borkum rückt näher. Die Bundesregierung hat einem Abkommen mit den Niederlanden zugestimmt.
Eben im Deutschland Funk gehört. Ich finde es einfach so massivst dreist, dass die ohne Freigabe der Förderung bereits jetzt alle Vorkehrungen treffen damit die dann sofort bohren können wenn die Freigabe erfolgt.
Was wenn eben nicht die Freigabe erfolgt? Ziehen die dann als Argument zu, dass die ja schon alles vorbereitet hatten?
Ja. Tesla ist in Grünheide ähnlich vorgegangen. Indem Tatsachen geschaffen werden, wird die öffentliche Verwaltung durch Unternehmen und die interessierten Teile der Politik in eine Ecke gedrängt, in der dann so lange die Gesetze gedehnt werden, bis es passt.
I've got an m1 Mac mini running Asahi and its great. Just make note, not all of the hardware features are 100% supported. I'm fine with what's missing on my m1, but before you pull the trigger on an m2 Mac check the Asahi page and know exactly what machine you plan to install on. Do not buy it if you want or have to have hardware features that Asahi doesn't support on the machine you're planning to buy.
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What do you have against the project and the people behind it? It sounds personal.
There are plenty of non-commercial Linux distributions. Some managed better than others. Some generic, some with niches. OpenWRT is a favourite of mine.
Its my experience with server software for beginners in general, which gets my enshittification senses tingling. I just dont trust in a company providing a hell of a service (like, getting tens if not hundreds of docker images to work with the click of a button) for free.
With Truenas I know that their community branch is an ad for their enterprise service because no single person will key thousands for the caliber of support their enterprise has, so they make their money by offering cloud services. So that explains how it is still feasable for them to give me their dataset and UI and everything frontend for free.
But with Casa, I just dont know where the money comes from. I dont see how they can keep up their operations and make a profit with this kind of effort. So I can only assume that many non essential services will be put behind a paywall.
And if they do it, I still know that they use docker and ZFS, and I can spend a day or 2 learning how to set up a software raid and an ssd as a ZFS buffer for it, and everything else i‘ve set up with their OS.
But thats the problem: Beginners dont know. Its like with the Iphone: If the user dosent learn how to deploy a docker instance from a compose file themselves, they will be bound to that frontend and all the enshittification that happens to it.
Therefore I would like it way more if Selfhosting was more like the AUR. First learn how the Process of pulling an image and makepkg‘ing works firsthand, then you can use the frontend like yay. Not the other way around.
But if no one learns how to do something the old fashioned way and relies on a frontend for everything, at some point the company behind the frontend will vendor lock everyone into their system, since there is no competition anyway
Beginners will always gravitate to what is easier.
The upstream tools (Docker in this case) must orient themselves more towards the newbies, not only the pros, if we want to see the progress here.
Personally, as a non-IT guy, I find myself fighting uphill battles every time I want to do something seemingly simple, because the basic tools we're offered are not made with common folk in mind. And I'm sort of an enthusiast - most people just won't bother if it's not plug&play, they don't have time and energy to figure everything out.
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So you're basically saying "I don't have any proof of any of this, but I'm scared so I'm scaring others as well".
Your first point makes zero sense: it can't be both "for profit" and have "no means of generating income".
Their way of generating income is the reason they created the distro/OS in the first place: selling hardware. To my knowledge, they wanted to ship their mini servers (ZimaBoard) and later NAS-like devices (ZimaCube I think?) with an easy to use OS that can do all basic home server tasks. That didn't exist, so they made one. They didn't need to make money from the OS, it's a catalyst to bring able to sell (more) hardware. I personally think that is a great way to use Linux as a company and contribute to the wider ecosystem, why does it scare you so much? They could've closed this of much more, but made it for available to everyone, on any hardware.
From what I heard, they did achieve their design goals. It's a bit simplistic for me personally, but probably great for a beginner.
I get that enshittyfication is everywhere these days, but maybe don't try to stop people from using things that haven't actually seen ANY yet, just because they might? With no indication that they will, either.
4&5 might be fair points though, I for know enough about the details.
Your first point makes zero sense: it can’t be both “for profit” and have “no means of generating income”.
Are you for real? The entire concept of Enshittification hinges on the real fact that most internet services start out with a net negative "profit" and are kept alive through large injections of VC capital. This allows them to offer the service for free or close to free to gain a massive user base, which they then leverage for profit later on through measures that make the service worse for consumers. The entire reason Mastodon, Lemmy, and the federated social network exist is because of this contradiction.
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Casaos is a Chinese commercial "loss leader" software added to tons of Chinese brands. It is not intended to make money by itself, it is intended to sell more home nas market gear like zimaboards.
It's also not an os, despite its claims and confusing terms on Wikipedia.
Last, casaos sends telemetry to Chinese IPs, a fair amount more than most software, based on what I saw with tcpdump alone.
I'm not sure how casaos made its way into the "open source os" space, but none of what you're saying is new.
I ended up with a device that shipped with it and replace it with Yunohost for a similarly beginner friendly experience that, so far, seems a whole lot more open.
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Connaissez-vous l’ERP Tryton ? Découvrez avec Projets Libres! son histoire, sa gouvernance et ses projets avec deux de ses membres fondateurs, Cédric Krier et Nicolas Evrard.
Walid: bienvenue sur ce nouvel épisode de Projets Libres! Aujourd’hui, c’est un épisode un peu spécial. Les deux invités que j’ai aujourd’hui, ce n’est pas la première fois que je les interview. Il se trouve que la première fois que j’ai participé à une interview… c’était il y a 15 ans, sur une radio qui s’appelait Radio Panic, avec Frédéric Péters, Fabrice Flore-Thébault et Pierre Cros. On avait une émission qui s’appelait Good Morning Stallman, à laquelle on participait. Et un jour, le 14 janvier 2009, nous avons reçu nos invités, Nicolas Evrard et Cédric Krier, pour présenter ce qui était à l’époque, je pense, une des premières interviews de Tryton, un ERP open source dont on va parler aujourd’hui. Donc voilà, 15 ans après, normalement, si vous écoutez cet épisode, il doit sortir le 14 janvier 2024, c’est-à-dire 15 ans pile après la première interview. Petite touche humoristique. Et cette idée d’interview m’est venue parce que ça fait longtemps que je voulais parler de fork et faire une série sur ce que c’était que les forks. J’ai repensé à cette interview et j’ai donc recontacté Nicolas et Cédric. Ils ont gentiment accepté mon invitation. Donc j’espère que vous allez bien tous les deux.
Nicolas: oui, oui, on va bien. J’ai un peu peur qu’on répète ce qu’on a dit il y a 15 ans, mais voilà.
Walid: ça fait 15 ans, ça va. Je pense qu’on ne dira pas la même chose à mon avis. Alors pour les auditrices et les auditeurs, je mettrai dans les notes du podcast le lien vers l’émission de Good Morning Stalman de 2009. Voilà, pour ceux qui sont motivés, ils pourront aller écouter. La première partie, c’est que je vais vous demander à tous les deux de vous présenter, nous expliquer un petit peu quel est votre parcours. Comment vous avez connu le logiciel libre ?
Nicolas: bon, je vais y aller moi, je suis plus vieux. Donc, Nicolas Evrard, je suis un développeur Tryton. Comment j’ai connu le logiciel libre ? C’est à l’université, dans les années 90, donc ça fait quand même un bail là maintenant. On bossait sur des Unix et à la maison, pour faire des TP, le plus simple c’était d’avoir un Linux. Et donc j’ai installé une Red Hat, qui si je me rappelle bien était la 5.2. Et puis voilà, puis finalement j’ai mis une Debian et je me suis retrouvé à bosser sur Zope, un framework de développement web en Python. Puis une chose en amenant une autre, je me suis retrouvé à faire de l’OpenERP, TinyERP même à l’époque ça s’appelait, qui est devenu OpenERP. Et puis j’ai quitté, c’est devenu Odoo. Et j’ai rencontré Cédric peu avant de quitter, puisque pour la petite histoire je faisais les interviews des gens qui arrivaient chez Odoo et j’ai interviewé Cédric. Et il m’a bien plu parce qu’il lisait ses emails par Mutt. Ce qui est complètement stupide, mais bon, voilà. C’était une façon de trier les gens quand même.
Cédric: ouais, donc, Cédric, j’ai une formation d’ingénieur. J’ai commencé à connaître le logiciel libre, je pense, pendant aussi mes études. J’ai dû installer une Mandrake à l’époque (NDRL : pour en savoir plus voir l’interview de Gaël Duval), que j’avais eue dans un magazine, c’était des CDs. J’ai un peu laissé de côté. J’ai commencé mon parcours professionnel comme développeur dans une société qui faisait un logiciel pour des banques, en Cobol. Je suis resté quelques années là, et puis j’ai switché, et j’ai travaillé dans une boîte qui était dans la sécurité, qui faisait des network appliances. Et après ça, j’ai été engagé chez Tiny, pour travailler sur TinyERP. Et puis, quelques années après… on a démarré Tryton et maintenant on travaille tous les deux chez B2CK, une société qu’on a créée pour le support du logiciel.
Walid: je me rappelle très bien de la Red Hat 5.1 ou 5.2, on doit avoir à peu près le même âge. Vous êtes basé en Belgique, vous êtes basé où ?
Walid: alors maintenant que vous êtes présentés, commençons par introduire Tryton. La plupart des gens qui sont là, je ne suis pas sûr qu’ils connaissent Tryton. Donc déjà, c’est un ERP, un logiciel Enterprise Resource Planning. C’est un logiciel dont le but est de gérer un peu l’ensemble des process d’une société. Est-ce que vous pouvez nous présenter Tryton ?
Cédric: oui, en fait, on a même plutôt tendance à dire que c’est plutôt un progiciel qu’un ERP. C’est un peu plus large que vraiment les features (NDLR : fonctionnalités) d’un ERP. C’est vraiment un peu au-delà.
Donc, Tryton, c’est un logiciel libre, qu’on a développé, qui vient initialement d’un fork de TinyERP. On en parlera un peu plus tard. Ses caractéristiques, c’est qu’il est écrit en Python, qu’il se base sur une base de données Postgres, qu’il est sur une architecture trois tiers. Donc on a un client, un client léger, un serveur qui est le serveur applicatif, donc il y a la connaissance métier, les process métiers, etc. Et puis la base de données pour le stockage.
Cédric Krier
On a deux clients, en fait, deux clients légers. Un client dans le navigateur, écrit en JavaScript. et un client ou bureau écrit avec GTK, compilé en application native. Après, les fonctionnalités qu’on a de base, c’est les grosses fonctionnalités qu’on attend d’un ERP : achat, vente, gestion de stock, comptabilité, facturation, production…
Nicolas: vente en ligne plus ou moins, enfin il y a moyen de construire. C’est aussi ça qui est dans la philosophie de Tryton, c’est qu’on fournit les briques pour aller plus loin. Tout n’est pas intégré. J’imagine que les gens connaissent mieux Odoo. Et Odoo, ça vient avec son e-commerce dedans, et avec Tryton, c’est plutôt construit sur le côté. On a d’ailleurs construit quelques-uns.
Cédric: une des idées d’architecture du logiciel, c’est d’être modulaire, pouvoir activer les modules dont on a besoin, et créer des modules si on veut en plus. Et en plus d’être interopérable, donc on peut l’utiliser, d’être facile à connecter à d’autres applications, à d’autres solutions. Et donc entre autres pour l’e-commerce, on a un module pour se connecter à Shopify, un module pour Vuestorefront. Et on a déjà développé plusieurs fois des petits connecteurs pour d’autres e-commerces. On a aussi des solutions de connexion avec des solutions de paiement en ligne. On gère automatiquement : on a Stripe et Braintree, filiale de Paypal. Vraiment, l’idée c’est l’interopérabilité.
Nicolas: j’ajouterais en plus que le projet, cette vision d’interopérabilité a permis qu’il y ait d’autres projets qui sont construits en parallèle à Tryton. Entre autres, il y en a un logiciel libre qui s’appelle GNU Health, qui est donc un logiciel de gestion d’hôpitaux et de dossiers patients. Il se déploie, alors il paraît, en Espagne, mais essentiellement dans les pays en voie de développement. On en a vu au Laos, il y en a en Afrique, on sait qu’il y en a aussi en Argentine, en Jamaïque, à Cuba, je pense. Mais je pense qu’il y a des cliniques en Espagne qui l’utilisent. Et il y a aussi un logiciel de gestion d’assurance qui s’appelle Coog, édité par des clients à nous, qui fait de la gestion d’assurance et qui se base sur Tryton. Et eux, ils ont pris essentiellement la compta, mais rien du tout de la vente, du stock, etc. Et ils ont construit des centaines de modules qui gèrent des assurances.
Cédric: autre exemple de verticalisation, il y a aussi GnuVet, une version pour la gestion de vétérinaires.
Walid: alors, justement, commençons par la genèse de Tryton. Pour parler de la genèse de Tryton, il faut donc parler de l’époque où vous étiez chez OpenERP. Moi, ce que j’aimerais comprendre, c’est quel est le cheminement qui vous a amené à vouloir créer Tryton, en fait ?
Cédric: je pense qu’on va me refaire une petite précision. En réalité, j’ai démarré le projet avec un autre associé, Bertrand, qui travaille aussi chez Tiny, et Nicolas a rejoint par après. Donc, vraiment la genèse du projet Tryton, ce serait plutôt de mon côté. Après, Nicolas a eu un peu la même démarche, mais de manière un peu différente. Donc, Tiny, ça s’appelait Tiny à l’époque, la boîte, et qui éditait Tiny ERP, un logiciel gestion d’entreprise aussi open source.
En tant qu’employé dans la structure, qui était une petite structure, je crois qu’on était moins de 10 à l’époque, avec mon collègue Bertrand, on était, après une année et demie, deux ans de travail dans la société et d’expérience, pas très contents en réalité du service au client qui était fourni. On était toujours un peu pas à l’aise par rapport aux promesses faites au client et par rapport à ce que la solution offrait et ce qu’il fallait développer, réparer en cours de route, etc. Donc, c’était assez frustrant en tant qu’employé de ne pas avoir la possibilité de fournir un travail considéré valorisant. Du coup… on s’est dit qu’on pouvait faire mieux. Et de là, assez rapidement, je pense qu’on s’est décidé, en deux ou trois mois, on s’est dit on va se lancer. Et donc, on a démissionné et puis on a démarré.
Cédric Krier
On n’a pas directement repris le code qui était hébergé un subversion (NDLR : autrement appelé SVN), mais en fait, c’était un subversion qui était privée. Donc, en tant qu’employé, on y avait accès, mais en n’étant plus employé, on n’était plus censé y avoir accès. Donc, on n’a pas repris, on n’a pas su reprendre l’historique, parce qu’à l’époque, le logiciel était juste publié en release, de manière un peu irrégulière. Et donc on est reparti d’une archive, mais on ne l’a pas intégrée telle quelle directement dans notre dépôt. On a repris des bouts, bloc par bloc, parfois en réécrivant des parties, et on a reconstruit en piochant dans le code existant. Ce qui nous a permis, dès le début, de corriger des erreurs qu’on connaissait de l’architecture initiale, d’essayer d’éviter de les reprendre pour notre départ. Avec le temps, on s’est aperçu qu’on avait laissé passer des problèmes à cette époque-là qu’on ne connaissait pas. Et de là, on a commencé à reconstruire. Ça, c’était vraiment pour le cœur, le cœur avec le client léger.
Walid: donc, en fait, la décision de faire votre propre boîte et votre propre ERP, elle n’est pas liée à des problématiques techniques, elle est liée à des problématiques de relations clients, c’est bien ça ? Ou il y en a aussi des problématiques techniques, en fait ?
Cédric: quand on était employé, on avait identifié des problèmes techniques qu’on a essayé de faire corriger et de rectifier en interne. Mais on n’avait pas la possibilité, on ne nous a pas donné les moyens de pouvoir le faire. À l’époque, je sais bien que la société n’avait pas beaucoup de ressources non plus, donc c’était difficile, il fallait balancer entre le client et ce genre de développements. Après, on ne connaissait pas tout de la société, on n’était pas dans les secrets du management à l’époque. Nous, on avait l’impression qu’on pouvait faire mieux. Mais ce n’était pas possible de le faire en interne, enfin dans la structure. La structure était plus à courir après des clients, à essayer de rentrer un maximum de clients que de rectifier les problèmes de genèse du projet.
Nicolas: pour la petite histoire, en fait, quand je suis parti et que j’ai fait engager Cédric à Fabien (NDLR Pinkears, fondateur de TinyERP) à l’époque, je suis parti avec quelqu’un que j’ai rencontré chez Tiny, qui s’appelle Gaëtan de Menten, et on est partis tous les deux avec, exactement ça c’est très drôle, les mêmes constats et les mêmes envies de changer techniquement les choses et d’avoir une autre relation au code et à la façon de faire les choses de façon générale. Bon, nous ça s’est planté beaucoup plus, Tryton a réussi à s’en venir, nous ça n’a pas du tout marché. Parce que nous, on a réécrit dès le début from scratch, on n’a pas voulu du tout être dans le fork. En fait, on a voulu partir de zéro et c’est le plus difficile.
Walid: il y a naissance de Tryton. Si je comprends bien, les premières actions, ces premières actions, c’est reprendre le code, faire du nettoyage, etc. Vous publiez une première version quand ?
Cédric: j’ai regardé le premier commit qu’on a fait, le 19 décembre 2007. Et la première release, on l’a faite le 17 novembre 2008, donc quasiment un an. Je pense que c’est à peu près ce qu’on s’était donné comme objectif : un an pour avoir une solution utilisable, démontrable, et pour commencer à essayer d’attirer des clients. On a eu un client très tôt, qui nous a suivis dès le démarrage, ce qui nous a permis de survivre pendant cette année-là. À la première release, assez rapidement, il y a une petite communauté qui s’est créée, principalement des gens qui venaient de TinyERP et qui étaient un peu déçus aussi par la qualité et par la gestion du projet. Je pense qu’on a surtout capitalisé sur le fait que nous, on a directement publié le dépôt. Notre dépôt était public, ce qui n’était toujours pas, je pense, le cas de TinyERP à l’époque. Avec notre première release, on avait une discussion ouverte et on était prêts à discuter avec les contributeurs éventuels, ce qui n’était absolument pas le cas chez Tiny. Il y avait bien un forum, mais en fait, c’était plutôt un forum d’utilisateurs qui s’entraidaient, et les employés de la société n’avaient pas d’autorisation d’aller aider sur ce forum, ça ne passait que par une relation commerciale.
Walid: dans quel état d’esprit vous étiez quand vous avez fait le fork ? Je m’explique, j’ai participé à un fork d’un projet libre, et pendant un an c’était la grosse excitation, parce qu’il y avait des possibilités qui s’ouvraient et tout. Alors, dans quel état d’esprit vous étiez à ce moment-là ?
Cédric: assez enthousiastes, on n’avait pas de passif. On n’avait pas à prendre en considération un passé, maintenir une compatibilité avec quelque chose d’existant, etc.
Donc c’est vrai qu’on pouvait casser tout et décider de changer des grosses choses, de faire des gros changements structurels sans trop de contraintes. Et donc c’est vrai que pendant cette année-là, c’était assez gai de développer et de travailler sur le projet. Mais une fois qu’on a fait une première release, on s’est imposé des règles.
Cédric Krier
Et du coup, ces règles ont un peu cadenassé : il y a eu plus de challenges pour arriver à faire ce qu’on voulait dans les contraintes qu’on s’est données. Et un petit peu moins de liberté, mais dans un sens…
Walid: c’était quoi ces règles ?
Cédric: un utilisateur doit pouvoir passer d’une version à l’autre sans avoir besoin de services externes. Ce qui permet de ne pas avoir de vendor lock-in, ce qui est souvent reproché sur certains projets : à partir du moment où ils utilisent leurs solutions libres, on est obligé de passer par leur service pour maintenir, parce qu’il y a personne d’autre qui ne sait le faire. C’est ce que fait Odoo pour l’instant. Ça, c’était une première contrainte. Essayer d’avoir une backward compatibility (NDLR : compatiblité descendante) des API le plus possible. Bien qu’on ait décidé à plusieurs reprises de casser cela, on a fait la publicité de ces changements, expliqué et mis tout le monde au courant.
Walid: je voulais vous demander quel était le panorama en fin 2008 des ERP libres et open source. Il y avait quoi ? Il y avait Dolibarr, TinyERP, il y avait quoi d’autre ?
Nicolas: Dolibarr, TinyERP, ERP5. C’était un ERP fait en Python, si je me rappelle bien, par un Lillois ou quelque chose comme ça. Les concepts étaient un peu intéressants, d’ailleurs. Je me rappelle, il y a eu un bouquin sur le design des logiciels, et il y a un chapitre dessus. Ça existe toujours d’ailleurs. Ah bah oui, il y a eu un commit il y a cinq jours. Voilà.
Cédric: GnuCash. Je ne sais pas si ça peut se monter comme ERP, mais il y a GnuCash qui existe.
Walid: il y avait de la place pour un nouvel ERP libre open source.
Cédric: la première concurrence, je pense, c’est avec Excel. Dans beaucoup d’entreprises, ils travaillent avec Excel. Donc, il faut remplacer Excel, on remplace souvent Excel. Ou alors après, il y a vraiment les logiciels propriétaires, Navision, SAP. C’est plutôt la concurrence que les autres logiciels open source.
Walid: vous publiez la première version, vous avez une communauté qui se crée. La question que je me pose, c’est : est-ce que vous gardez des contacts à l’époque chez Tiny ? Est-ce que vous savez s’ils regardent un peu ce que vous faites ? Est-ce que vous, vous regardez ce qu’ils font aussi ? Est-ce qu’il y a des échanges un peu dans un sens ou dans les deux ? Comment ça se passe ?
Cédric:
le début était un peu chaotique. Parce qu’on a eu une première affaire avec Fabien, donc Fabien Pinckaers, le directeur de l’entreprise, qui, assez rapidement, quand on a publié du code, etc., nous a accusés de le voler. Alors qu’on était repartis sur la version publique, ce qui était sous licence GPL2. De ce point de vue-là, on n’a en fait rien à se reprocher. D’ailleurs, après nous avoir accusés de manière publique, on a juste écrit une première lettre avec l’aide d’un avocat pour lui dire qu’il se calme un peu sur les accusations. Et d’ailleurs ça n’a jamais été plus loin.
Cédric Krier
Donc je pense que c’était plus une crainte d’avoir un concurrent qui débarque qu’autre chose.
Walid: c’était pour dire bienvenue.
Cédric: si on veut.
Ensuite, par la suite, il y a eu du code qui a été repris. Je pense principalement à une petite librairie qu’on avait développée, qu’on avait appelée VAT Number, qui est pour valider les numéros de TVA d’un peu partout, de plein de pays. Et donc, on collectait des formats et on ajoutait des validateurs, etc. Et on a retrouvé notre code repris tel quel, en copier-coller, à l’intérieur des modules d’Odoo. Ce qui ne nous avait pas trop plu, c’était le manque… Ils n’avaient pas gardé l’attribution de l’auteur, le copyright. Au niveau licence, c’était bon parce que ça restait GPL, si je me rappelle bien.
Cédric Krier
On a dû un peu leur rappeler qu’il fallait mettre… Ils ont mis le nom en commentaire quelque part dans le fichier. Ce n’est pas tout à fait la bonne pratique, mais on n’a pas été plus loin que de leur rappeler ça. Donc, il y a eu ce genre d’échanges de code qui sont partis dans cette direction-là. Ce qu’on a même trouvé un peu regrettable, c’est que nous, on a tendance à développer des librairies pour des fonctionnalités générales qui ne sont pas directement liées à Tryton ou à l’ERP, de manière à ce qu’elles puissent être utilisables par d’autres. Et on a vu qu’ils ne réutilisaient pas notre librairie, mais la bundle de manière un peu cachée. On trouvait que c’était un peu dommage de ne pas avoir cet esprit où justement on aurait pu contribuer ensemble sur un projet… un bout de code, un bout de projet
Nicolas: oui, par exemple. Sensiblement la même idée, c’est quand on a fait notre client. Parce qu’il y a le client JavaScript, il y a le client GTK, donc desktop. Pour faire les tests, on a fait aussi un client en ligne de commande, enfin, plus ou moins. Au final, ce client, il a aussi eu une existence. Enfin, l’idée a été reprise. Ils auraient évidemment pas pu reprendre exactement la même chose. Mais il y a eu de l’inspiration, je pense, des deux projets de l’un à l’autre. On est passés à l’Active Record (NDLR : un design pattern logiciel, un patron de conception). Ils ont suivi un an ou deux plus tard. Et nous, on regarde ce qu’ils font et ça nous inspire de temps en temps.
Cédric: nous, de manière claire et publique. Il nous arrive de voir des commits passer ou des changements chez Odoo et de dire : « ah bah tiens, c’est peut-être intéressant, c’est une idée intéressante ». Et du coup, on ouvre un bug dans notre bug tracker avec le lien vers le commit en disant : « tiens, ils font ça comme ça, ça pourrait être applicable pour nous et ça pourrait être intéressant ». Dans l’autre sens, il y a, je pense, clairement la volonté de ne pas parler du projet Tryton. Du coup, on n’a pas vraiment de preuves, mais il y a parfois des coïncidences, des choses. On découvre qu’on a une idée, on développe quelque chose, et on retrouve l’idée un peu similaire qui est développée quelques mois après. Alors, c’est possible que ce soit des coïncidences ou pas. C’est difficile à savoir. Mais de leur côté, je pense clairement que le mot d’ordre c’est d’ignorer et de faire comme si le projet Tryton n’existait pas.
Walid: donc le projet est en licence GPL V3+. Quand vous avez récupéré le code au départ, il était en licence quoi ? GPL2 ? Il était déjà en licence ?
Cédric: en GPL2. On l’a upgradé à la GPL3. C’était à l’époque où la GPL3 venait de sortir. Il y avait tout un terme autour de la Tivoization. On s’est dit que c’était probablement une bonne idée d’upgrader.
Walid: quelque chose d’autre qui m’intéresse beaucoup. J’ai écouté d’autres podcasts que je mettrai en description dans lesquels vous parlez un peu du deuxième sujet qui m’intéresse : la gouvernance que vous avez mise en place. Il y a cette volonté, dès le départ, de faire en sorte que le code reste libre. J’ai trouvé ça vraiment très intéressant, surtout dans une période un peu troublée comme maintenant où les projets ont tendance à changer de licence pour passer sur des licences plus ou moins libres. Et puis entre-temps, vous avez aussi créé une fondation. Est-ce que vous pouvez un peu m’expliquer le cheminement qui a conduit à la gouvernance que vous avez maintenant ? Est-ce que c’était ce que vous vouliez faire au départ ? Et puis maintenant, quelle est la gouvernance ? Comment le projet est-il géré maintenant ?
Cédric: je pense qu’au démarrage du projet, Bertrand et moi, nous n’avions absolument aucune idée de comment le projet allait … au niveau communautaire… de comment on allait gérer. On n’avait absolument pas de vision. On s’était dit : on va faire un projet open source comme les autres projets open source.
Nicolas: au niveau de la licence, il y a le fait que tout bêtement… OpenERP ou Odoo, je ne sais plus, Tiny, je pense. Tiny a toujours le copyright sur une partie du code, et donc on ne peut pas le changer. On voulait le changer, il faudrait qu’on demande, et je ne pense pas qu’ils seraient d’accord.
Mais sinon, notre vision à ce niveau-là, ça a toujours été d’attribuer le code aux personnes qui l’ont écrit, dans le sens où plus de personnes ont le copyright, plus il est difficile de changer ensuite. Et donc, ça oblige le code à rester open source. C’est aussi pour ça qu’il n’y a pas de CLA, Contributor License Agreement, parce qu’un CLA, au final, ça donne l’autorisation à une boîte de faire ce qu’elle veut avec son code.
Nicolas Evrard
Je ne sais pas si on en a vraiment discuté, mais c’est quelque chose sur lequel on était d’accord quasi naturellement.
Cédric: oui, nous, dès le début, on s’est attribué à chacun le copyright du code qu’il a écrit. Ça ne sert à rien de faire autrement. Et on ne voit pas d’intérêt à le faire autrement. Qu’est-ce que ça nous apporterait, à part des contraintes juridiques ? Il faudrait un CLA, il faudrait en avoir un, le faire signer, le conserver, etc. Et pour quel intérêt ? Si on me demande de signer un CLA, c’est parce qu’on veut changer la licence par après.
Walid: c’est parce que l’entreprise garde le droit de faire ce qu’elle veut avec le logiciel auquel une communauté de gens a potentiellement contribué, ce qui est assez sournois finalement quand on y pense.
Cédric: oui, oui. Et alors, je dois dire aussi, je pense qu’il y a un point à rajouter.
Au début du projet, la communauté s’est principalement construite avec des gens venant du monde de Tiny, d’OpenERP et Odoo, qui ont eu une forte tendance à changer de licence tous les 3-4 ans. Ils sont passés d’une GPL à, je pense, une AGPL, puis une LGPL, et maintenant ils ont un mix avec une partie propriétaire et une partie qui reste LGPL, mais ils se réservent le droit de basculer du code d’un côté à l’autre. Tous ces changements de licence ont créé une crainte chez certains utilisateurs ou participants à cette communauté, qui se sont redirigés vers nous. Et du coup, c’était un critère important pour eux : s’assurer que les règles n’allaient pas changer en cours de route.
Cédric Kreir
Nous, dès le départ, on disait que l’idée était d’avoir B2CK comme une entreprise qui contribue au projet, mais qui reste une entreprise comme les autres. De ne pas avoir un avantage ou la possibilité de dire, à un moment donné, « la communauté est assez grande, maintenant hop on ferme, on garde pour nous et on vous fait payer une licence pour la suite ». C’était une crainte que beaucoup avaient, et du coup notre mode de travail… la manière dont on gérait déjà était rassurant. Du coup, on a pu construire cette idée que plus on partage le copyright, plus c’est protégé, et plus la licence est figée. C’est un peu ce qui s’est passé avec le kernel Linux (NDLR : noyau Linux), qui d’ailleurs n’a pas pu passer à la GPL3 parce qu’il n’est pas possible d’avoir l’accord de tous les contributeurs. À l’époque, la clause initiale n’avait pas mis « ou plus tard ». C’est ça, donc c’est une GPL2 stricte.
Nicolas: ça nous permet d’embrayer sur la fondation, parce que la fondation vient d’une de ces craintes en réalité.
À ce moment-là, on avait B2CK, et on est allés rencontrer des gens en Espagne qui étaient utilisateurs d’OpenERP et contributeurs de certains modules, etc. Une de leurs craintes, c’était en effet que B2CK copie ce qu’avait fait Tiny et prenne le contrôle sur la chose. Et une façon de les rassurer, c’était de créer la fondation. La fondation, c’est un mécanisme juridique en Belgique qui permet de créer une sorte de société avec un but particulier, qui doit être non commercial, si je me rappelle bien.
Nicolas Evrard
Cédric: c’est sécuriser un bien.
On a dû donner à la fondation un bien, qui est en fait le nom Tryton, simplement. La fondation a pour objet de le protéger. Donc, on a défini des règles, mais ce sont des règles immuables. On ne peut plus modifier l’objet de la fondation, et ça, c’est une garantie qui va au-delà de simplement s’engager. L’État nous oblige à respecter cette situation.
Cédric Krier
Nicolas: si d’aventure, le conseil d’administration de la fondation ne respecte pas les règles, par exemple en fermant le code source, n’importe qui pourrait attaquer ce conseil d’administration devant les tribunaux belges en l’occurence, pour faire respecter le caractère open source.
Walid: et donc là, vous décidez de créer la fondation. Là, on est en quelle année ?
Cédric: en 2012.
Nicolas: ouais, novembre 2012. On peut voir ça comme une façon de rassurer les gens, parce qu’au final, pour nous, on ne voyait pas le problème.
Cédric: on avait sécurisé en quelque sorte le code source, mais l’autre risque, c’était le nom. La marque Tryton et le nom de domaine étaient la propriété de B2CK. On les avait achetés avec B2CK, parce qu’il fallait bien sortir les fonds à un moment donné. Et du coup un des risques était qu’on prenne le contrôle du domaine et qu’on pointe vers autre chose. Tout le travail de construction de la marque soit volé en quelque sorte. C’était une manière de protéger le projet.
On a cherché la bonne forme juridique. Ce n’est pas évident parce que les juristes ne font pas ça souvent et ne comprennent pas toujours la demande, la difficulté. Mais aussi ce qui est souvent fait, ce sont des organisations type ASBL (NDLR : association sans but lucratif), mais ça ne protège pas de la même manière. Il y a toujours moyen de prendre le contrôle d’une ASBL et de changer son objet social.
Cédric Krier
Donc, ça a pris du temps entre chercher, écrire des statuts qui nous conviennent et qui protégeaient le projet. De trouver un mécanisme qui permet un bon équilibre entre ceux qui vont avoir la responsabilité de la fondation et le reste de la communauté qui va avoir une espèce d’équilibre de pouvoir. Voilà donc ça ça a été des choses à inventer et à imaginer.
Nicolas: dans notre fondation, on a le principe des supporters, parce qu’une fondation ne peut pas avoir de membres. Le terme « membre » ne pouvait pas apparaître dans les statuts, donc on a utilisé le terme « supporter ». Les gens deviennent des supporters de Tryton et constituent une assemblée des supporters. Cette assemblée des supporters peut, à une majorité de 2/3 ou 50%, – je ne sais plus, de toute façon ça n’arrive jamais – décider changer complètement le board de la fondation. Il est élu pour 5 ans.
Walid: ce board, il est composé de qui ?
Cédric: à la création, on était trois fondateurs, donc les trois propriétaires de B2CK. On est fondateurs parce que c’est nous qui apportons le bien. Donc on a une qualité juridique spéciale. On a choisi quatre autres membres. Donc, on s’est mis tous les trois dans le nombre fondateur, dans le conseil d’administration, et on a inclus quatre autres membres. Alors, on a essayé d’avoir une diversité géographique.
Nicolas: il y avait Udo d’Allemagne, Albert d’Espagne. Sharon d’Inde, et le quatrième,
Cédric: Sebastien,
Nicolas: ah bah si, voilà, eébastian, donc d’Argentie.
Cédric: d’Argentie. Donc on a essayé d’avoir une université géographique, aussi de pays, évidemment, de langues, enfin de cultures, enfin d’essayer de représenter la diversité qu’il y a dans la communauté dans le bord. Ensuite, le bord se renouvelle tous les cinq ans par cooptation. On lance un appel à candidats, en fait, pour qu’ils se présentent. C’est comme ça que le bord décide de fonctionner. Ça, ce n’est pas vraiment dans les statuts. On va devoir aider les candidats et le bord précédent choisit les membres suivants. Ça peut être les mêmes. Il n’y a pas de limite sur le nombre de mandats que personne peut faire. Il est déjà assez difficile de trouver des gens. C’est en limite, on risque de…
Walid: donc, il y a une fondation avec des membres qui sont représentatifs de la communauté. Il y a la communauté. Donc, je suppose que dans cette communauté, il y a des utilisateurs. Il y a aussi potentiellement des sociétés de services, des gens qui… quelle est la diversité de la communauté autour de Tryton ?
Cédric: si tu parles juste des supporters, là, on en… être supporters c’est juste demander, il faut juste demander, donc il y a un peu tout, il y a des utilisateurs, il y a des développeurs, il y a des sociétés de services qui fournissent du service sur Tryton. Donc on a vraiment tout type d’entités. Après, si on veut parler de la communauté plus générale, plus large, la partie vraiment vivante qui participe, etc., c’est principalement quand même des développeurs qui sont… souvent des développeurs qui sont dans une société qui fournit du service sur Tryton.
Nicolas: la communauté se rassemble essentiellement autour du forum et on voit qu’il y a quand même une bonne petite partie de développeurs allemands, pas mal d’hispanophones aussi qui font du GNU Health ou du Tryton.
Cédric: oui, au final,
on n’a pas une très claire vision de qui utilise Tryton, sur le forum, on a des pseudos, mais on ne sait pas toujours ce qu’il y a derrière. On a des événements en live, et donc on peut mettre des visages sur des pseudos, mais c’est toujours une partie. En fait, on est assez dans le flou de savoir qui utilise Tryton, et qui est vraiment dans la communauté.
Nicolas Evrard
Walid: vous avez des clients que vous avez le droit de citer, juste pour donner un exemple, qui peut utiliser Tryton par exemple ?
Nicolas: j’ai cité Coopengo, oui, mais ce sont des gens qui font la verticalisation dont je parlais, Tryton, les assurances, c’est un de nos principaux clients.
Cédric: c’est un site. C’est un site de vente de fruits en ligne.
Nicolas: on a quelques… Ah oui, clients prestigieux, Saint Luc.
Cédric: c’est les leaders des boules de billard. Je crois qu’ils font 80% des boules de billard du monde. Et ils l’utilisent pour presque… ils sont en train de passer à presque tout leur processus.
Cédric: oui, ils ont commencé par la gestion d’entrepôt et puis progressivement, ils rajoutent des fonctionnalités, les achats, les ventes. Ils complètent, ils remplacent un ERP fait maison, historique, par Tryton.
Nicolas: on sait que dans les gens qui contribuent à Tryton, il y a une société qui fait je ne sais plus combien de pourcents des fraises qui sont faites en Espagne. Voilà. Donc à mon avis, c’est des gens qu’on ne connaît pas, mais il y en a certains qui ont bonne part de marché dans leur secteur. Et ce qui se passe, c’est que comme on n’a pas une entreprise têtière qui dirige le marketing, qui dirige le logiciel, au final, on ne sait pas. On ne sait pas ce qui se passe. Enfin, si, on le sait évidemment, parce que comme on est quand même des gens qui contribuent beaucoup, les gens nous parlent, mais au final, il y a quand même des gens qui l’utilisent sans jamais rien nous dire.
Cédric: et B2CK, si on revient sur B2CK, on a principalement comme client d’autres sociétés d’IT qui ont des clients. Donc, on est souvent plutôt en deuxième niveau. On a certains clients en premier niveau direct, mais on a principalement des clients en deuxième niveau. Donc, du coup, on peut un peu deviner les clients qu’il y a derrière. Oui, et il y a aussi un point en plus. Je pense qu’il y a aussi une partie de rebranding. Donc, il y a des sociétés de service qui vont installer Tryton, mais sans dire que c’est Tryton. Peut-être juste rebrandant le logo, ou en faisant un logo à leur sauce, et en mettant un petit thème sur sur le client et hop, ils en font leur solution. Dans un sens, ça nous va. Ils ont tout à fait le droit de le faire. C’est un peu regrettable pour la notoriété du projet.
Walid: vous avez parlé d’un forum. Quels sont les outils qui sont utilisés pour collaborer ?
Nicolas: alors le forum, c’est Discourse. Plus en plus de logiciels libres sont en train d’y passer.
Cédric: on a un forum IRC. Plutôt calme, parce que sur Discourse c’est quand même beaucoup plus agréable et plus asynchrone, donc ça permet beaucoup.
Nicolas: il y avait des mailing lists, mais on les a tuées pour Discourse.
Cédric: on n’a pas voulu multiplier les canaux, disperser, sinon chacun reste dans son silo, dans son canal préféré. Donc on a vraiment tout centralisé sur Discourse.
Nicolas: et puis ça fait barbu, les mailing lists.
Walid: IRC aussi.
Cédric: et d’ailleurs, maintenant que Discourse a… On a activé aussi les chats sur Discourse. C’est vrai qu’il y a un côté un peu redondant. L’intérêt de l’IRC était pour les petits messages rapides, quelqu’un qui a un petit problème, il peut poser sa question et avoir une réponse rapidement. En fait, le chat de Discourse pourrait remplacer IRC dans un sens.
Walid: et pour les forges ?
Cédric: on a notre dépôt sur Mercurial depuis le début.
Nicolas: et c’était self-hosté (NDRL : auto-hébergé)
Cédric: oui, on l’a hosté sur nos serveurs avec juste le service web de base qu’il y a dans Mercurial. Et on utilisait Rietvelt comme outil de Code Review (NDLR : revue de code). C’était l’outil que Guido van Rossum, l’inventeur de Python, avait écrit quand il travaillait chez Google pour le review du projet Python, que le projet Python a arrêté d’utiliser depuis quelques années. Le projet n’est plus trop maintenu, je pense qu’on devait être les derniers encore à l’utiliser. Du coup, ça nous a poussé à chercher une solution alternative. Et là, depuis un an, on est passé sur une forge qui s’appelle Heptapod, qui est en fait un fork de GitLab avec le support Mercurial. C’est un fork qui se veut friendly (NDLR : amical), donc en fait, ils viennent juste rajouter des composants pour supporter Mercurial à la place de Git. Et on est hosté sur leur plateforme. Ils ont une plateforme de… Donc c’est foss.heptapod.net. Donc là, on a notre projet Tryton qu’on a migré maintenant en un monorepo. Donc avant, on avait un dépôt par projet et module. Pour la migration, pour le passage à la forge, on a fait un monorepo. Les modifications qu’on fait ont assez souvent des implications dans plusieurs modules, voire même dans tous les modules. C’est beaucoup plus pratique d’avoir une seule Merge Request globale qui contient tout l’historique du changement que d’avoir plein de petits dépôts avec des Merge Requests qui doivent être faites en même temps. En plus, ça permet aussi d’avoir une CI (NDLR : intégration continue) qui est beaucoup plus stable puisqu’on teste toujours un tout cohérent, une version, enfin un snapshot de l’ensemble du logiciel.
Nicolas: c’est la fondation qui a sponsorisé le switch.
Walid: où est-ce qu’il en est le projet aujourd’hui et quels sont les points forts de Tryton en fait ? Pourquoi Tryton est bien adapté aujourd’hui maintenant ?
Cédric: moi je dirais la modularité. On a vraiment poussé le concept vraiment à l’extrême, c’est-à-dire qu’on peut, via l’ajout d’un module, modifier quasiment n’importe quel comportement du logiciel. Donc on peut modifier les flux standards qu’on implémente, qui sont des flux généralement classiques, mais chaque entreprise a sa petite spécificité, etc. Donc on peut aller se plugger (NDLR : brancher) n’importe où dans le code pour altérer le comportement et adapter aux besoins, et donc de pouvoir vraiment s’adapter à des flux de travail très spécifiques.
Nicolas: par contre, par rapport où on est le projet en général, là,
Cédric: on est en vitesse de croisière, je dirais
Nicolas: oui c’est ça, on a une vitesse de croisière. Nous, B2CK, on connaît pas mal d’entreprises qui utilisent Tryton depuis 10, 15 ans et qui fonctionnent.
Alors, on ne connaît pas l’explosion exponentielle que connaît par exemple Odoo. Ça, c’est sûr, on ne va pas le nier. Personnellement, ce n’est pas quelque chose que je recherche particulièrement, donc ça ne m’inquiète absolument pas. Oui, on pourrait probablement avoir plus de développeurs, mais ça ne vient pas non plus sans d’autres contraintes et sans parfois une certaine friction ou des choses ainsi.
Nicolas Evrard
Cédric:
il est assez facile d’avoir des gens qui veulent contribuer, d’ajouter des modules, de faire un module pour leurs besoins, etc. Ce qui est beaucoup plus difficile, c’est d’avoir des contributeurs qui vont faire vraiment le travail de maintenance du projet, maintenir les dépendances à jour, faire évoluer sur les nouvelles versions, corriger des bugs un peu compliqués dans le cœur, etc. Ou même juste optimiser.
Cédric Krier
Vraiment tout ce qui est travail d’optimisation, d’amélioration, vraiment dans le cœur du moteur. On a B2CK qui travaille et on a quelques contributeurs qui le font. Ce n’est pas énorme et c’est difficile de trouver parce que ce n’est pas évident. Il faut avoir beaucoup d’expérience, connaître bien l’intégralité du code parce que quand on touche au cœur, ça peut avoir des impacts partout. Ce n’est pas évident. Mais il y a beaucoup de développement qui est fait, mais en dehors vraiment de Tryton. Il y a des dépôts un peu partout qui existent, de projets personnels ou de sociétés qui implémentent des modules spécifiques aux besoins qu’ils ont rencontrés, etc. Donc il y a toute une partie de modules qui existent dans la nature. D’ailleurs, il y a un projet d’essayer de mettre en place, de faire une cartographie, un répertoire d’un peu tous ces modules externes pour donner un peu de visibilité.
Walid: dernier point que je voulais aborder, qui était le futur en fait. Quels sont les gros sujets que vous estimez être importants pour l’avenir ?
Nicolas: au niveau de la communauté, il y a cette cartographie des modules tiers. On se demande aussi s’il ne faudrait pas… Mais ça, c’est une grosse « polémique » dans la communauté de savoir si les modules doivent être hébergés ou pas par le projet lui-même ou par des externes. Nous, naïvement, on pensait que ça se ferait tout seul, mais ça n’a pas l’air de… Forcé de constater que ça ne s’est pas fait. Il n’y a pas non plus de cartographie qui s’est faite toute seule, un peu à la Django Package. Django Package, par exemple, c’est vraiment bien, ça montre tous les packages, les gens peuvent mettre des commentaires, etc. Mais ce n’est pas le projet de Django qui a décidé de le faire, c’est d’autres gens qui l’ont fait, et puis ils se sont dit, ah, c’est cool,
Cédric: on peut reprendre.
Nicolas: Django le reconnaît,
Cédric: quoi.
Nicolas: il y a ça au niveau de la communauté, je pense que ça va prendre encore du temps pour que ça arrive, puisque ça traîne depuis des années. Mais je pense que s’il y a une volonté plus forte maintenant que ça arrive, je pense que ça arrivera. Et puis, il y a des défis techniques qui sont des mises à jour. Il faudrait qu’on mette à jour le client, par exemple, à GTK4. J’en parle quasi tous les ans. On pourrait réécrire… le JavaScript qu’on utilise est daté, on pourrait le réorganiser autrement, on pourrait le moderniser, ça simplifie la vie à plein de gens.
Cédric: on a l’idée d’implémenter une API REST avec une architecture particulière pour permettre de développer plus facilement des sites connexes et communiquer juste avec une API REST. Pour l’instant, la manière dont on développe ce genre de site est fort couplée avec Tryton. Donc je pense que ce serait bien de pouvoir le découpler un peu plus avec une API. Ça, c’est un des projets.
Nicolas:
on dit souvent qu’on n’a pas de roadmap, les gens nous demandent parfois » est-ce qu’il y a une roadmap, quand est-ce que ce module-là va être disponible ? ». En fait, ça n’existe pas. C’est la communauté qui le fait, et alors la communauté le fait soit en le développant elle-même, soit en payant une des boîtes dans la communauté pour le faire.
Nicolas Evrard
Cédric: les développements sont drivés par le besoin, en fait. Je viens de penser à un autre projet qui est aussi en cours, qui est la réécriture de la documentation. En fait, il y a un an et demi, deux ans, on a structuré la manière dont on voulait documenter chaque module avec un squelette prédéfini qu’on doit appliquer à tous les modules. On a déjà réécrit la documentation pour les principaux, on a réécrit 50. La difficulté, c’est qu’il faut connaître pour réécrire la doc, et une fois qu’on connaît, ce n’est pas très intéressant d’écrire la doc.
Walid: on arrive sur la fin de l’interview. J’avais, en guise de conclusion, des questions à vous poser. Première question, c’est qu’est-ce que vous diriez pour parler de Tryton à des gens qui n’ont pas d’ERP ?
Cédric: j’imagine que s’ils n’ont pas d’ERP, ils travaillent avec Excel, ça permet de ne pas avoir des milliers de feuilles Excel à mettre à jour et à dupliquer, à copier-coller à gauche à droite et reporter des infos.
Nicolas: ça cadre les processus aussi. Il y aura moins de déviations par rapport à la norme et ça va permettre de mieux optimiser.
Cédric: standardiser les processus et aussi la communication à l’intérieur de l’entreprise. Et donc on va pouvoir communiquer tout le monde avec la même info. L’information sera plus partagée, plus diffusée.
Nicolas: et en fonction aussi de la taille de l’entreprise, ça peut définir mieux les tâches de chacun.
Walid: deuxième question, qu’est-ce que vous diriez pour présenter Tryton à des personnes qui, comme moi, ont déployé d’autres ERP, libres ou pas libres ?
Cédric: avec Tryton, la configuration, la personnalisation est très poussée. On peut répondre aux besoins du client, de l’utilisateur quasiment dans tous les cas, et que la base sur laquelle va être reposée l’installation, donc la base sur laquelle on va construire, est saine et a un design cohérent et stable aussi. Mais on a basé beaucoup de notre design au début sur un bouquin de design d’ERP, en fait : data model resource. L’architecture, ce sur quoi on va… vous allez construire. C’est des bases stables et robustes.
Nicolas: et aussi que les migrations sont incluses.
Walid: ça introduit ma dernière question qui est comment est-ce que vous présenteriez Tryton à des libristes qui travaillent déjà sur des ERP libres comme Dolibarr ou Odoo ?
Cédric: les migrations sont incluses.
Walid: pour Dolibarr aussi. Dolibarr,
Nicolas: c’est pas inclus.
Walid: ah si, c’est dedans. Si, si, je peux dire que c’est dedans les migrations.
Nicolas: par Odoo par exemple ça l’est pas.
Walid: à part la migration.
Cédric: Tryton fonctionne. Est vraiment orienté objet. On travaille sur des objets qu’on fait évoluer, sur lesquels il y a des flux, des déconnexions, etc. En fait, c’est assez agréable, parce qu’on n’a pas besoin d’écrire beaucoup de code pour répondre aux besoins. Le code est assez clair et assez lisible, assez vite compréhensible.
Nicolas: pour Odoo, je rajouterais aussi, par exemple, qu’on ne fait pas des calculs avec des float (NDLR : nombres flottants), tout bêtement. C’est un peu mauvaise langue, mais voilà, quand on fait de la comptabilité avec des flots, c’est pas terrible.
Walid: c’est la private joke pour finir. On arrive à la fin. Est-ce que je vous fais une petite tribune libre si vous avez un message à passer ?
Nicolas: zut, je m’étais dit, c’est le moment que je préfère. Il pense à un truc cool et j’ai oublié.
Cédric: ben, Mercurial, c’est cool. C’est mieux que Git.
Nicolas: oui, voilà.
Walid: vous êtes un des derniers que je connais qui utilisent Mercurial, si ce n’est les derniers.
Cédric: ah bon ? En fait, Mercurial est utilisé par Google, Facebook, Nokia. C’est probablement un des systèmes de version de source qui a probablement la plus grosse base, qui gère les plus grosses bases de code.
Nicolas: oui, je ne m’aventurerais pas juste à dire ça.
Cédric: alors, chez Google, je crois qu’ils réécrivent des bouts, etc. Mais c’est des boîtes qui ont des monorepos qui sont…
Walid: c’est en tout cas la première fois qu’on parle sur Projets Libres! de Mercurial.
Nicolas: on peut expliquer pourquoi ?
Cédric: ce qui est vraiment bien avec Mercurial, c’est la ligne de commande. Les options sont cohérentes, le fonctionnement est cohérent à l’intérieur de tout le projet, et il n’y a pas d’étonnement. Et en plus, c’est extrêmement difficile de casser son repo. Il y a des sécurités partout. Mercurial empêche de faire des bêtises, alors que je n’utilise plus très souvent Git. Mais chaque fois que j’utilise, régulièrement, je me trouve à casser mon repo et à devoir re-cloner parce que je suis perdu ou j’ai perdu des développements.
Nicolas: Mercurial, à ce côté : ils ont fait une ligne de commande qui est vraiment ultra clean et qui fait ce qu’il faut, alors que Git, c’est un vrai bordel. Alors, ça fait énormément de choses, c’est super bien, c’est super rapide, c’est ultra performant, mais c’est un bordel sans fin.
Walid: ça marche. Écoutez, merci beaucoup d’avoir pris du temps pour échanger 15 ans après sur Tryton pour voir un petit peu les solutions très intéressantes que vous avez mises en place et assez originales finalement comme l’histoire de la fondation. Ça, c’est vraiment hyper intéressant de pouvoir échanger là-dessus. J’invite tout le monde à aller voir Tryton. Je mettrai les liens, bien sûr, en description. Comme d’habitude, aux auditeurs, aux auditrices, parlez-en autour de vous. N’hésitez pas à commenter. Le meilleur moyen de commenter, c’est sur Mastodon ou aussi sur LinkedIn. Les deux, je réponds. C’est les deux manières les plus simples. À bientôt. J’espère vous reparler dans quelques temps. Portez-vous bien et à une prochaine.
Nicolas: merci,
Cédric: salut.
Walid: à bientôt.
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hietsu
in reply to sabreW4K3 • • •Why do I feel like narrowing down the options would not be that bad? The whole world of Linux is, IMO, in dire need of consolidation behind tried and tested, universally accepted technologies instead of endless number of choices for specific tastes. That is at least the case if Linux aims for desktops (like it now very much should and could with all the Win 11 mess).
There really can’t be half a dozen or more alternatives for any particular task. Two desktop environments for example has to be enough for 99% of users, same with package management systems etc. Otherwise the newbie user will only get scared and confused, or not be able to easily find support relevant to their ”version” of Linux.
non_burglar
in reply to hietsu • • •Man, we really need to make "The ~~Church~~ Cathedral and the Bazaar" required reading.
You clearly have missed the entire point of Linux, which is the freedom to do with your machine as you like. The endless number of choices for specific tastes is the result of people having the choice to write their own thing.
When consolidation happens, when people say "make my choice for me, I can't make decisions" we end up with super constrained setups like MacOS, Windows 11 and stupid Gnome the way it is now; no choice, do it our way or not at all.
And the answer is still freedom. It's obvious in the plugins and addons for gnome that get it to do basic customizing you find in, say xfce as a toggle in the settings. You find it in the myriad of softwares written for windows and mac that let the user do what they want to do.
And I will likely not be the first to point out to you Linux doesn't "aim for desktops", linux isn't an organization the way ms and apple are. And it likely never will be.
Newbies will be scared and confused no matter what's in front of them.
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lambalicious
in reply to hietsu • • •Perhaps because you miss Microsoft or Apple? In a rather misdirected way?
Half the point is there are multiple ways to do things - and mind, Windows is like that too (you can get to some settings though the new Control Panel, the old Control Panel, the Regedit, the Powershell...). Just about the only thing in Windows you are forced only one vision of is the desktop itself, but as soon as you double-click an icon, all bets are off.
Also if what you want is getting behind "tried and tested, universally accepted technologies"... that's what sysvinit, ALSA, X11 and automake / build-essentials; no need for systemd, Pulseaudio, Wayland and Snaps. Pulseaudio was basically a stillborn deformed baby whereas I've never seen ALSA fail since 2002 (to the point even today I have to "fix" Flatpak not having audio on Pipewire unless Pulseaudio sits behind it by just seating both of them behind ALSA). I don't even have to begin on Wayland, it started as just vaporware; Systemd is largely an attempt to microsoft-ize Linux system management; and Snaps make me want to snap.
As for newbies... others have addressed the point but honestly, if someone gets scared and whiny at the "choose your starter" screen of the game, they're not gonna last any in a Pokémon game nor would I want them around whining about things they couldn't even be bothered to be here for.
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solardirus
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Unknown parent • • •Cage is designed around running a single maximized application. Wayback is meant to run an entire x11 desktop environment.
Not sure about the second part.
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