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B.C. Conservative Party members are reviewing John Rustad's leadership in accordance with the party's constitution, as he faces criticism from several sides.
Hot take from an American. Just send all your conservatives here for a few years. If they want to emulate us so bad they can see the horrors from up close.
Donald Trump will send foreign leaders more letters notifying them of new tariffs in the days to come, said Karoline Leavitt.
“There will be additional letters in the coming days,” the White House press secretary said, in addition to the 12 he plans to send today and the two already made public, which were to South Korea and Japan’s leaders,
As for why Trump decided to start with the two Asian allies, Leavitt said:
It’s the president’s prerogative and those are the countries he chose.
July 7 (Reuters) - A proposal seen by Reuters and bearing the name of a controversial U.S.-backed aid group described a plan to build large-scale camps called “Humanitarian Transit Areas” inside - and possibly outside - Gaza to house the Palestinian population, outlining a vision of "replacing Hamas' control over the population in Gaza."
The $2 billion plan, created sometime after February 11 and carrying the name of the U.S.-backed Gaza Humanitarian Foundation, or GHF, was submitted to the Trump administration, according to two sources, one of whom said it was recently discussed in the White House.
Federal cabinet ministers are being asked to find ... ways to reduce program spending by 7.5 per cent in the fiscal year that begins April 1, 2026, followed by 10 per cent in savings the next year and 15 per cent in the 2028-29 fiscal year.
I'm getting 90s vibes. Government cutbacks, threats of separation, climate change. It's all here.
But there's a modern twist: we're talking about 3C change in 2100, there's a housing crisis, our media landscape is dominated by tech bros, and the US is lost in the culture wars.
“You will be expected to bring forward ambitious savings proposals to spend less on the day-to-day running of government, and invest more in building a strong, united Canadian economy,” Mr. Champagne wrote in one of the letters.
So cuts to the public service and services to fund loans/giveaways to the private sector.
“Through this ambitious review each minister should examine the programs and activities in their portfolio to determine which are: meeting their objectives, are core to the federal mandate, and complement versus duplicate what is offered elsewhere by the federal government or by other levels of government,” it states.
Anyone who has been through a round of layoffs recognizes this language. All it's missing is a need to find "efficiencies". Carney is looking less and less like the genius economy understander I was told he was and more and more like a bog standard orthodox Friedmanite.
That's what many of his left-leaning detractors have said. Unsurprisingly, the central banker is a dyed in the wool neoliberal who wants to trim government spending while shoveling money towards the private sector to grow the economy. Maybe wealth will finally trickle down this time. 😅
The annoying thing is that for a lot of his voters it seems like his decisions have been surprising. I'm seeing a lot of, "trust the plan," sort of comments elsewhere like this is all leading to some bait-and-switch social democratic turn. I think the Liberal campaign didn't focus on his fiscal orthodoxy and a lot of people just projected whatever they wanted him to be onto him.
I liked Jagmeet, and the NDP platform (well what i understood of it), if i wasn't worried that PP would get in they would have gotten my vote. I did feel that he didn't stand a chance of getting in.
I did read Carney's book (values), i found it extremely difficult to read, and said a lot without saying anything. I don't think he would get my vote if not for PP.
I'd like to see a rule that any politician voted in must work in an aid camp in a warzone to be elegable for office. Or maybe spend a year as an average citizen in their country.
Jagmeet was a nice enough person, but his communication never seemed to be about making changes, only criticising the other parties. It's possible I missed the more constructive messages, but the constant tearing down in political messaging is why I don't ingest much of it. NDP would also be my choice (outside of a spoiler situation), but the default answer isn't very inspiring.
FPTP isn't the only fucked up voting issue we have though, as the vote for leader also affected so many local representatives, and I thing that's where the NDP is currently strongest. Losing local reps is a sad price for opposing a national lunatic.
I've thoughs about similar restrictions to bring high-level politicians down to Earth. Hard limits to effective income from all sources of perhaps 2.5x minimum wage. Six months of consecutive retail or food service work.
I suspect if you polled the Carney voters from the last election, all but the NDP/Green ABC-crowd would be fine with these policies.
Ironically, many of the voters worried about the collapsing middle class (in the form of stagnating wages and the housing crisis) probably went with the CPC.
Carney is looking less and less like the genius economy understander I was told he was and more and more like ~~a bog standard orthodox Friedmanite.~~ politician
I think that's excessively cynical. If the politicians we put in power tend to look the same, that's a little bit on us for only picking from two different parties for the entire history of the country. There are certainly alternative ideas about economics.
The government in the 90s wasn't saying housing prices couldnt fall, which is the big difference I see. Now we have embraced the house of cards ponzi scheme built on cheap debt, we may as well start a Bitcoin reserve next.
I mean...I guess thanks for the stepping off point? Android has the Briar Project, which couldn't be distributed for iOS due to Apple's license fuckery. I'm at least curious enough to look through this and see what they've done different.
I think the most useless part of this is using BT only which has a range of what...40ft?
We’re turning every word of James Joyce’s Ulysses into a clickable link. Some links reflect the current state of the world, some capture modern culture, others are just playfully weird or totally random. Together, they create a living portrait of the Web, word by word. See them here. What topics do you think we should cover as we pick new links for this project?
Fabled by the daughters of memory. And yet it was in some way if not as memory fabled it. A phrase, then, of impatience, thud of Blake’s wings of excess. I hear the ruin of all space, shattered glass…
Am I missing something here? The links seem to have no relevance to the word they're linked from; if that's the intent, what's even the point of making them linked from words in Ulysses? Further, out of the ~20 links you have here, there's already a duplicate link.
You're absolutely right: the links are not related to the words, that's the point: a total surprise. 20 links, we've just started this chapter (Chapter I (2)), therefore we're asking for your advice 😀
We've started another chapter earlier (Chapter I (1)), where everyone can add links, to any word. Feel free to add yours (or someone else's). Ulysses has 265,222 words. When we fill them all, it will become the world's largest portrait of the Web.
"Duplicate link" - we've doublechecked, haven't found any. Can you pinpoint it for us? I would be thankful 😀
Fabled by the daughters of memory. And yet it was in some way if not as memory fabled it. A phrase, then, of impatience, thud of Blake’s wings of excess. I hear the ruin of all space, shattered glass…
The House of Commons transport committee will study BC Ferries’ decision to buy four electric-diesel vessels from a Chinese-owned firm — a purchase financed in part with $1 billion from a federal Crown corporation.
That's a ton of public money going to China, one billion of our tax paying money. I would love to see a Canadian bid, or pay more for an ally nation to build it, this deal needs to be scrapped and investigate the corruption and bribes that allowed it to get this far.
i disabled auto correct and predictive text. do i make more typos, yes, but it is better than having my sentences change as i type. i got so frustrated with words changing as i typed
it would help if you could clarify what you mean by wobbly or buzzy ... maybe some examples of songs or segments that have the sound you're describing?
The GNOME 49 Alpha '49.alpha' release was just announced as the first formal test release in the road to the GNOME 49 desktop release due out in September.
The GNOME 49 Alpha '49.alpha' release was just announced as the first formal test release in the road to the GNOME 49 desktop release due out in September.
I have RSI, and I use talon voice to control my computer.
Because Wayland doesn't, and probably won't support accessibility software like talon voice, in time, as x11 is shut down, I'll have to move to Mac or Windows. I'm devastated.
Talon voice is what allows me to continue working.
I'm literally going to have to move back to the dark side in time, due to the end of X11, and Wayland's lack of support for accessibility.
This is the one gigantic, glaring problem with Wayland. “The most secure software is the software you can’t use” is not a philosophy I support. Accessibility should always be a first class citizen for mission critical components like window managers.
I'll do what I can. However, x11 will definitely die in the upcoming years. Development is apparently only maintenance now and basic improvements. The writing is on the wall, as Wayland just doesn't support what the accessibility tools require.
I still use X because at least last time I tried (admittedly over a year ago) some of my apps didn't work right on Wayland (KLayout, if I remember correctly).
Keep coming back to Wayland. I've been using Linux as my main desktop OS since 2022, and at first, I encountered many issues with Wayland (KDE). However, I kept coming back and testing Wayland as the bugs were fixed. Now, Wayland is great! It feels like a true modern operating system — much better than Windows.
One of the ironies with System76 is that they are taking so long to release their Wayland-only desktop that they are becoming one of the last bastions of Xorg.
KDE user here, I still use X11 to play old Minecraft versions. LWJGL2 uses xrandr to read (and sometimes modify? wtf) display configurations on Linux, and the last few times I've tried it on Wayland it kept screwing the whole desktop up.
Slightly concerned about remote desktopping though. What do I replace xrdp with?
Xrdp works on Wayland, you can keep using it if you like. There's also Gnome's built-in Gnome Remote Desktop as well as KDE's Krdp, both are also Wayland compatible (though I get the feeling Krdp is still in its early stages).
I used Ubuntu 24.10. on new Ubuntu certified Intel Thinkpad and exeperienced system hangs every few weeks. The only solution was to reboot. Frustrating to say the least. On that system also webcam didn't work so maybe it was kernel fault somehow but still very disappointing given the "certified" status.
1: Open files. You can now use ctrl shift n to make a new folder.
2: Open an application. Click save as.. "files" opens. Now you can not use ctrl shift n. I just tested it again. I am also on gnome 48. This is an old an known limitation.
I'm in the process of getting a new printer and since I recently (December 2024) switched to Linux it would be nice if it would be Linux compatible. So far I've decided on the Canon PIXMA G550 printer but I can't find anything about it's compatibility so I figured I would just ask here in the hopes someone might have the same printer or knows someone who has the same printer and can tell me if this printer works with Linux. If all else fails I could still use the printer with my tablet or phone using Canons app but using it with my desktop would be much more comfortable.
I think network printer made by big manufacturer recent years should be fine with IPP driverless. They found Printer Working Group of IEEE, this organization maintains IPP standard and IPP Everywhere™ Certification. AirPrint can be treated as Apple version of IPP Everywhere, the difference between them is AirPrint requires Apple Raster but IPP Everywhere requires PWG Raster (and JPEG JFIF file format if color printer).
Ah, so they are actually differences between IPP Everywhere and AirPrint (apart from AirPrint including the whole autodiscovery stuff)? Good to know. The latter is usually more prominently advertised though which is why that’s the one I mentioned.
But yeah, it should be very common for these to be supported with anything remotely recent.
IPP Everywhere also include full autodiscovery stuff (mDNS and DNS-SD, of course, Apple call this combination as Bonjour). So I said raster is the only difference.
Raster is unimportant in Linux situation because CUPS support both PWG Raster (It's actually a subset of original CUPS Raster) and Apple Raster. Whichever one your device supports, CUPS will work fine.
When you say proprietary drivers, I assume that means they are only available for x86_64 platform... leaving ARM64/aarch64 devices, like Pi's and such, out of luck?
Something I've experienced with similar printer drivers. Hence the ask.
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Just wanted to share some frustrations and open this up for discussion.
Unlike in Europe or parts of Asia, Canada has virtually no true pay-as-you-go (PAYG) mobile plans. Most so-called “prepaid” or “PAYG” options here are just monthly bundles with expiry dates — not actual usage-based billing. You’re often paying $15–30/month whether you use 100 MB or not at all.
To make things worse:
The minimum postpaid plan is now often 60 GB or more — which is total overkill for average users who don’t stream or game constantly.
Vacation suspensions are restricted or unavailable unless you upgrade to expensive plans and limited to a minimum of 30 days.
Text-to-911 is still not available to the general public, only for those registered as Deaf or hard of hearing — despite many emergency scenarios (hostage, abuse, low signal) where calling isn't possible.
CRTC and CCTS don’t help. The CRTC says they can’t intervene in pricing or service terms, and the CCTS (per Section 4.3) won’t challenge carrier policies themselves.
Please note that I’m not asking for charity or free service — just fairer options that reflect actual usage, more flexible policies, and access to emergency support.
Has anyone here had better experiences with MVNOs or alternatives? And why do we seem so far behind compared to other countries?
Its the good ol' telco monopoly. Doesn't help that our population density is basically nothing. We're the second biggest country by land mass, but have about the same population as California.
I'm not sure who we need to pressure to get better service for the money...
Yeah, population density gets blamed a lot — and while it explains some issues, it doesn't justify:
No true pay-as-you-go (even in cities and urban areas)
60+ GB minimum plans for light users
No public access to Text-to-911 (even when dangerous moments happen)
Inflexible vacation suspensions (with mandatory 30 days minimum)
Daily roaming access fees (yes, even with no usage, as long as a foreign tower is connected) from so called marketing such as Roger's Roam Like Home™, Telus Easy Roam®, and Bell Roam Better
The Big 3 hide behind geography while keeping margins high and MVNOs out.
Who to pressure? Well...... it's basically no one at the moment. * CRTC says it can’t touch pricing or service terms * CCTS won’t challenge policies (see Section 4.3) * I even contacted OpenMedia, CBC, CHEK, and CTV, but it feels like shouting into a void. The mainstream Canadian media ignore such issues especially for temporary residents like me.
Not asking for freebies — just flexible, fair options that reflect how people actually use mobile services.
Population density isn't a rural issue, it's a fixed costs issue.
The companies are required to maintain a larger total network of towers and everyone has to pay for that, which means city users are subsidizing rural networks quite significantly.
I'm not saying the Big 3 aren't taking advantage of the situation, but they do have a legitimate issue.
Totally fair — fixed infrastructure costs are real, and urban users likely do subsidize the broader network. But even within cities, the lack of options (like true PAYG or small data tiers) feels unnecessarily rigid.
The issue isn’t solely about cost — it’s how little flexibility or fairness is built into the plans, even for light users.
Allowing light or limited plans means that they don't have the revenue to cover the costs.
The actual usage on the network is functionally irrelevant at this point, providers don't save any money if people don't use their phones as much these days. It's almost all fixed costs which means that plans are essentially just fixed at this point too. Price points still exist only for advertising and marketing purposes, the companies are totally satisfied just getting everyone to a minimum value. The whole industry has just become a commodity but with 100% fixed costs.
It's not like they're raking in stupid profits either, TELUS only had a net income of around 5% of their revenue last year.
The options suck because there is no real competition, simple as that.
What the carriers actually care about is average revenue per customer (ARPU), so you will find that no matter the "deal" you get, you will be paying about the same minimum cost regardless of carrier at the same level. This is about $70/mo for Telus/Rogers/Bell, and $35/mo for their discount brands Koodo/Fido/Virgin. All that really changes is the amount of data you get, which they can easily give more of since the data itself is practically free. The only reason that these companies would ever do anything to deviate from the status quo is if a new company came in and challenged them, or they were legislated to change their policies, otherwise all they care about is maximizing revenues for shareholders.
Yep, even trying to “vote with your wallet” doesn’t help. Fizz couldn’t even port my number due to technical issues — no working eSIM, no service, and refund still pending. They do allow limited refunds within a trial period (15 days, once per year), but that didn’t stop the headache. Public Mobile worked but wasn’t great either. The issue runs deeper than just price.
True, in Canada most plan suck if you are not a heavy user. I use maybe 20 minutes of call per month, some SMS for 2FA, and quite often less than 250MB of data per month...
I agree that most Canadian plans aren’t great unless you’re a heavy user. I actually use very little talk and SMS — mostly just for 2FA and phone verification for apps.
That said, Fizz didn’t work for me at all. They failed to initiate the porting process due to technical issues on their end. I never received a working eSIM, and even though I requested a refund (they allow it with limited cases, such as within the 15-day trial window and only once per year), it’s still pending ticket resolution. No service was ever usable.
I also tried Public Mobile, and while it technically worked, the overall experience and value still didn’t meet my needs.
Just putting this out there in case anyone else is considering these providers — your mileage may vary.
I agree totally with what you said! . If you don't search for deals or negotiate, you will get a basic plan, which worth nothing. How about new providers coming in Canada, and a year later or so is leaving or bought by Rogers or Bell. They killed competition and now they control everything! Who is going to control them? This monopoly kills everything.
I also want to add phones, we stuck buying Samsung, Apple, Motorola and One plus, any other phones like the nothing phone, most likely won't work, because of bands. I want to be able to buy a mid tier phone, and not a crappy Motorola or an expensive Samsung.
edit: And now they going to shut down 3G, because as far I know it costs for them!
Yeah Canadian prepaid plans all seem to have the scammy expiring bullshit built in.
I use my phone basically just for maps and being reachable in an emergency. Best one in Canada I've found that actually works is $99 a year or $119 if I want data (which I do need). A couple of the "budget" options have the exact same plan, but I went with Freedom to not have to deal with Rogers bs. These have unlimited calls and texts, data is limited to 15GB / year, but it's just goes to slow speed after 15GB at no extra costs. Very pricey for what I need it for still.
I used to have shitty prepaid plan sold by petrocan where the cheapest option was $25 for 3 months, but with very limited amount of data and the whole thing just didn't work half the time (no calls, texts or data).
Comparing these to Nordics is pretty rough. We go to Finland every couple years and we get a package with SIM card and enough data and calls for the 2 to 3 weeks we stay there with 15 euros. You just go to convenience store to pick it up, no signing anything needed. Just need to bring a phone that's not SIM locked.
The CRTC is mostly run by former telco people and it shows.
Its the same reason we "couldn't" do a proper implementation of the emergency alert system, which is why every Amber alert uses the "the bombs are falling" warning level.
I currently pay monthly but if I had to get a PAYG plan, I'd go with something like Saily: saily.com/esim-canada/
Or one of those other eSim companies. However, I'm not sure if it's just data or if it'll give you a number. Typically with PAYG I'm happy with just data, but I know it doesn't work for everyone. The cost is pretty wild though, I'm in London UK right now and I got a 200GB PAYG SIM for the same price as the 20GB SIM on Saily.
I've currently been messing around trying to make the Switch 2 Pro Controller work on Linux using the raw HID commands from this website, to potentially build into a driver as a bit of a project to get better at C. However, seemingly nothing I use can send any commands properly, or at least in a way that makes the controller work. I've tried both echo, sending bytes to the /dev/hidraw6 device (that device at least on my system, may vary on others), as well as hidapitester (a wrapper for hidapi). I know the device works, as a WebUSB tool that uses the same commands makes the controller work on this system. Is anyone more familiar with this, and can point me in the right direction? I'm on Fedora Linux 42 if that info helps.
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Hold on here how is Linux Desktop beating out chrome OS? Don't get me wrong I am totally onboard with Linux winning over chrome OS. But I just don't believe it.
I can got to any local store right now and buy a Chrome OS computer. I can't say the same for Linux.
I know technically ChromeOS is running Linux under the hood but it has been so bastardized by Google that it looses the spirit of Linux that it shouldn't be consider the same thing. At least in my opinion.
People who lost everything describe leaving homes and express anger at poor preparedness and officials who seemed to shirk responsibility
As Texas marshals a formidable response to the flash floods that have already killed dozens, questions are now being posed about warnings that were given on Thursday and early Friday about the severity of the approaching storm and the co-ordination between local officials and the National Weather Service.
New flood alerts were issued for Texas “hill country” on Sunday, prompting rescue services to suspend the search for missing people, including at least 11 from Camp Mystic, the summer camp on the banks of the Guadalupe River hard hit by Friday’s flash flood.
At an early evening press briefing, Kerr county authorities said they were suspending the search and evacuating first responders from the river valley. They confirmed that 68 had died there, including 28 children. Not all have been identified, with officials still examining the bodies of 18 adults and 10 children.
Hi all, I have tried everything, and now I am coming here for help. Hopefully someone can tell me what's happening here. So, I have this older pc that I have converted into a steam console, first with Bazzite and now with Chimera OS. Both work very nicely, but the one issue that persisted on both distros is that when I put the pc to sleep from game mode (press xbox button>power>sleep) then wake it up, the screen is not receiving a signal, it not even a black screen, just no signal. I would have to force reboot it to be able to get in. Nothing works. I can't even get into a tty screen or do anything. It is connected to a samsung tv 65mu8000 via HDMI cable. I have UHD color input enabled for that input, just to give more details.
I have tried disabling the wake up animation like some folks suggested and that didn't do anything. I have tried disabling the display core like some other searches suggested by putting amdgpu.dc=0 in modprob.d in its own file. I have tried blocking the intel iGPU, even though this CPU doesn't have one. Nothing works. It has an intel core i7 5930k and an AMD RX 6600. I would appreciate any help or suggestions Thank you
Hi all, I have tried everything, and now I am coming here for help. Hopefully someone can tell me what's happening here. So, I have this older pc that I have converted into a steam console, first with Bazzite and now with Chimera OS. Both work very nicely, but the one issue that persisted on both distros is that when I put the pc to sleep from game mode (press xbox button>power>sleep) then wake it up, the screen is not receiving a signal, it not even a black screen, just no signal. I would have to force reboot it to be able to get in. Nothing works. I can't even get into a tty screen or do anything. It is connected to a samsung tv 65mu8000 via HDMI cable. I have UHD color input enabled for that input, just to give more details.
I have tried disabling the wake up animation like some folks suggested and that didn't do anything. I have tried disabling the display core like some other searches suggested by putting amdgpu.dc=0 in modprob.d in its own file. I have tried blocking the intel iGPU, even though this CPU doesn't have one. Nothing works. It has an intel core i7 5930k and an AMD RX 6600. I would appreciate any help or suggestions Thank you
I've had the similar problems with bazzite in desktop mode coming back from sleep or screen off, first with Nvidia, then solved by switching to an AMD graphics card, but now it happens there too. I have two workarounds.
1) Try Ctrl+Alt+F1and Ctrl+Alt+F3. You should be able to switch to console then back to desktop/login screen.
2) In KDE Plasma, there's a way to map wake screen to a keyboard button. That worked for me until I reinstalled the OS and never bothered.
I think this is a Plasma or SSDM issue but idk how to report it properly.
It would allow SSH if the desktop is locked, they're separate. If you can get in via SSH then you can poke around logs like dmesg and see what's up. There will probably be some messages to give you something more specific to search with.
You think it's the screen/hdmi at fault, but it might not be. I've had the problem with two laptops in the past (the bug was with all distros I tried), and in one case it was a BIOS that Linux didn't like, and the second one was the internal wifi that its linux driver was buggy. For the first laptop there was nothing to be done, so I disabled sleep completely in the bios, while for the second one, I disabled the wifi modules in the kernel's blacklist, and then used a usb wifi that I knew it worked better. Both cases were appearing as a dead screen, but it wasn't the screen/hdmi/gfx card to blame. In yet another case, with a thinkpad laptop, the wake up was working, but it would wake up 30 seconds later than anticipated. In that case, it was the fact that its thunderbolt was dead (hardware had gone bad), and only when I disabled it in the bios completely the laptop would wake up correctly and fast.
In all those cases, I had to look at the kernel logs to see what was the issue. There were traces of the problem of which hardware exactly was creating the problem. It might look like a screen/hdmi problem, but most of the times, it's not.
David Heinemeier Hansson, the creator of Ruby on Rails, has tailored together his take on Hyprland combined with Arch. It looks quite neat and promising and looks like a nice entry point for those who don't want to configure hyprland themselves. DHH describes Omarchy as:
Turn a fresh Arch installation into a fully-configured, beautiful, and modern web development system based on Hyprland by running a single command. That's the one-line pitch for Omarchy (like it was for Omakub). No need to write bespoke configs for every essential tool just to get started or to be up on all the latest command-line tools. Omarchy is an opinionated take on what Linux can be at its best.
Omarchy comes in different themes, and by the looks of it this are hotswappable on the go by using the keybinds: Super + Ctrl + Shift + Space.
David Heinemeier Hansson, the creator of Ruby on Rails, has tailored together his take on Hyprland combined with Arch. It looks quite neat and promising and looks like a nice entry point for those who don't want to configure hyprland themselves. DHH describes Omarchy as:
Turn a fresh Arch installation into a fully-configured, beautiful, and modern web development system based on Hyprland by running a single command. That's the one-line pitch for Omarchy (like it was for Omakub). No need to write bespoke configs for every essential tool just to get started or to be up on all the latest command-line tools. Omarchy is an opinionated take on what Linux can be at its best.
Omarchy comes in different themes, and by the looks of it this are hotswappable on the go by using the keybinds: Super + Ctrl + Shift + Space.
my annoyance with his output aside, can we make it so that you can't use "beautiful" on your own shit? others can say your stuff is, you can't go "I created a beautiful xy".
I have so many things I want to do but just can't. Play a video game, read a book, take dog for walk, build a gadget I bought parts for, finish writing a song, finish building a computer... But no, I just sit there stuck. How do I get unstuck?
Imake a list and number them and then go on random.org and have it choose an integer and then i do the the thing on the list that matches the number randomly chosen.
This way i’m not making a decision, the lord of chaos is.
No it's really that the result feels like a decision imposed on me and my brain can't deal with that... It's the same if I start to do something I want, then someone calls to tell me to do it and now I can't do it anymore. Not sure if it's PDA or something else, but it's really annoying, especially in combination with AuDHD.
Challenges usually get the opposite reaction than demands for me, I can't even count all the stuff I've done because of it. Maybe self (not-)imposed challenges would work? I'll need to give it a try. Though challenges also have their problems, like picking the most stupid or pointless ideas because I was advised not to do it. I think there's a correlation between how stupid and pointless an idea is and how quickly my brain latches onto in 😅
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It should be of little surprise that Ford has since fiercely pursued his dream ‘Fortress-AmCan’, at a devastating cost to Ontarians.
There's almost no realistic threat China could pose to us right now that warrants us getting closer to the US and doing more to benefit Trump. My priority right now is to get as independent from the US as possible and fast
He might be gone in a few years, but the way they are setting things up the Republican regime may be here to stay. Better to seek independence for better security
It should be of little surprise that Ford has since fiercely pursued his dream ‘Fortress-AmCan’, at a devastating cost to Ontarians.
There's almost no realistic threat China could pose to us right now that warrants us getting closer to the US and doing more to benefit Trump. My priority right now is to get as independent from the US as possible and fast
“Ontario and Canada have critical minerals in abundance and America needs them. At a time when China is winning the race to dominate these resources while also restricting the sale and shipment of critical minerals to the U.S., Canada and Ontario need to urgently get our critical minerals out of the ground, processed and shipped to the factory floors that are building for the future.”
US, afaik, has tariffs on Canadian critical materials, while it makes deals with China to ensure the access it needs, and while it destroys commercial supply of new energy within US, to make sure it needs as little as possible. Banning "CCP" energy is a basis for lies for banning Chinese solar that don't have CCP ties, and even if they did, it's a fucking solar panel.
If bill C5 was used as a carrot to come into effect after the US makes an acceptable trade deal, which means elimination of all tariffs imposed this year, then this would be a somewhat acceptable act of sycophancy. Without "normalized US trade relations", it is extreme oppressive enslavement of Ontarians/Canadians.
An economic future for any nation with critical minerals is to develop them. Forcing colonial slavery of a single buyer who is currently committed against the future, while excluding buyers driving the future, is pure treason, and economic/social/climate terrorism on its own people/businesses.
Canada needs to cut all military ties with US. Stop seeking alliances where political capital is all in on war on Russia and China and Iran. US empire is collapsing, but it can buy a few years by exploiting its colonies harder. It is categorically unacceptable for our rulers to assist US destruction of our colony.
What happened to Ontario saving its auto sector? Japan/SK/US companies that cut investments/factories should have their phone/electronics brands tariffed. Huawei 5g, and datacenters/AI should be welcome. DST definitely threatened to be reimposed. High fees for access to NORAD. If Ford, is happy to destroy Auto manufacturing, then Australian prosperity has done well with better value cars and Chinese trade as a better economic model.
Fortress Can-Am has a pathethic political appeal, ONLY IF, there exists someone from the Am side that is enthusiastic about it.
If you look at old silent movies, they were played at different speeds in different cinemas and projections. There wasn't a standard way to play a movie, no "you NEED to play the movie at this specific speed or it will be ruined". I'm not saying the same should apply to modern movies, but I find it interesting.
There's an AUR open-tv package for Arch/Artix/..., and there's even an AUR open-tv-bin version, but I prefer looking at the build recipes if available, and if not using Arch/Artix/... one can read through the PKGBUILD and see how it builds.
Genuine Question. Even if I look at hungarian Transport, and they to this day use trains from the UdSSR, they come more consistantly then the DB.
They are really Bad sometimes, with like 20 seperate prices: Theres the bayernwald ticket that only works in the alps, then theres the official ticket to the destination. Theres a special offer, but only in the very special APP. You can use a d-ticket, but look! Some random ass slum in the middle of the worlds ass dosent accept that, but it does the MVV zone Tickets. But then you need the MVV zone 11-M, a ticket to the beginning to the Nürnberg zones, and a ticket for the Nürnberg zones.
And yet this shit is better than americas rails? How?
Am I in the minority, thinking that the London Underground is actually pretty amazing? Wherever I was across the huge area the city takes up, I rarely needed to check a timetable- There would be a station within walking distance, I could be relatively confident that a train would turn up within fifteen minutes and get me to basically anywhere in London in fairly short order.
Don't even need an Opal card- just tap your phone or your bank card.
The network is also massive. You can tap on in Kiama and tap off in Scone. That's about 400km, roughly equivalent to Berlin to Frankfurt, on regular metro trains. Might take a while, but you can do it.
It’s official: Premier Danielle Smith can now call herself Queen of Measles.
And not just in Alberta. Try North America.
That’s right. Alberta now leads the continent in a preventable childhood disease that leaves at least two of every 1,000 infections with severe intellectual disabilities, pneumonia or hearing loss. Or dead.
Stunningly, Alberta has already recorded nearly half a dozen cases of measles present at birth in the province.
And every measles infection leaves a child with a disabled immune system, stripped of memory about how to fight other routine infections. As a result, any unvaccinated child who battles measles will probably be sicklier, possibly for years afterwards. Brazilian researchers recently found a high correlation between having measles and later dying of another infectious disease.
Queen of the measles, Queen of treachery, Queen of stupidity, Queen of ignorance.....I could keep going, but let's keep it short with a resounding fuck Danielle Smith 😀
For a decade, Vancouver city managers knew an employee in the building inspection department was part owner of a private company that did work frequently checked by city inspectors.
That employee and the city staff he managed often inspected the company’s work, and a conflict-of-interest investigation found the employee, “in their capacity as a city inspector, personally made decisions about the private sector business they owned in four instances.” None of those decisions were “unfavourable” to the business, the report said.
The employee also said he’d been offered, but refused, a bribe from another contractor. An analysis by the city’s Office of the Auditor General, or OAG, found the contractor had appeared to receive preferential treatment from the employee.
On the day a month-long trial for a man accused of "significant" human trafficking was set to begin, the Crown's case fell apart over a technicality.
Christian Vitela, 37, and his defence lawyer had not received all disclosure or evidence related to the case in the years leading up to the criminal trial, assistant Crown attorney Heather Palin said on April 23.
Vitela hadn't accessed all phone records of the migrant workers he was charged with trafficking — the phones had been seized by the RCMP and were "typically core disclosure in human trafficking prosecutions," said Vitela's lawyer, Tobias Okada-Phillips.
The RCMP, which initially laid nine human trafficking charges against Vitela in 2019, have a different version of events. It includes that they notified Vitela on several occasions that the information was available, and set up a room and computer for him to view the materials, but he never showed up.
Everyone in Ontario should remember Christian Vitela's name and share Christian Vitela's name across social media, so that people are aware of Christian Vitela penchant for human trafficking and mistreating people who worked for him.
I’ve been making plantain chips for a bit, and I’m always dissatisfied with them. If my plantains are too ripe, the chips can’t crunch up. Not ripe enough and they lack the slight sweetness I love.
I decided to grab the greenest ones at the market to slowly ripen them at home, but even that’s a bit wonky, as they tend to ripen on top but not the bottom, which leaves me with something peculiar and delicious, but certainly not what I’m looking for.
So, how do you consistently get plantains in the Goldilocks zone?
Un homme a sauvé une famille de six personnes prise au piège dans un appartement en flammes dans le 18e arrondissement de Paris, ce vendredi 4 juillet.
Un homme a sauvé une famille de six personnes prise au piège dans un appartement en flammes dans le 18e arrondissement de Paris, ce vendredi 4 juillet.
Pro-AI mod and self-proclaimed 'communist' got mad for being downvoted.
Summary:
I downvoted pro-AI comments in a post in leftymemes community. It was LLM generated polandball comic (Which is objectively pathetic as fuck) that showed up on my feed, blocked couple of users who I thought were unhinged, and have blocked the whole instance on my client after realizing how rabid these morons are.
I didn't go looking for AI posts like a vigilante.
One user in question got miffed for being downvoted and banned me from places they moderate.
Sorry, I thought I replied already, but I was uhh a "bit" tipsy and a bit in the !trees@sh.itjust.works a few days ago so I have no idea what numbers I was reading, but I could have sworn they looked different then LMAO 😂
Looking at it sober with such a stark difference, I'm going to stay the course unless there's a significant drop in MAUs in the coming weeks
Ahead of the Linux 6.16-rc5 kernel expected to be released tomorrow, a round of x86 platform driver updates were merged this week with several fixes as well as some new device additions.
Three years since the Bash 5.2 release and one year since the first alpha release, GNU Bash 5.3 was released overnight as the newest step forward for this popular shell used on Linux and other operating systems.
Having all your configuration hidden in ~/.config/, so you can have ~ all to yourself is nice, IMO. Just having a handful of folders (including hidden ones) makes things a little more readable.
This vulnerability report has been generated using data aggregated on Vulnerability-Lookup, with contributions from the platform’s community.
It highlights the most frequently mentioned vulnerability for June 2025, based on sightings collected from various sources, including MISP, Exploit-DB, Bluesky, Mastodon, GitHub Gists, The Shadowserver Foundation, Nuclei, and more. For further details, please visit this page.
The June 2025 report highlights a mix of long-standing and newly identified high-risk vulnerabilities. Notably, Citrix discloses a critical NetScaler ADC/Gateway flaw (CVE-2025-5777), dubbed “CitrixBleed 2,” which can expose session tokens and bypass multi-factor authentication — echoing last year’s infamous CitrixBleed. Other urgent issues include a PayU India WordPress plugin vulnerability (CVE-2025-31022) that allows full account takeover across thousands of sites, and a Python “tarfile” library bug (CVE-2025-4517) that enables attackers to write files outside intended directories. Among the most sighted vulnerabilities are multiple Microsoft Windows 10 and Google Chrome flaws, as well as several Citrix ADC bugs, many rated “High” or “Critical.” Common web weaknesses like cross-site scripting and SQL injection (CWE-79, CWE-89) remain widespread, highlighting the ongoing need for strong patching hygiene. Some older vulnerabilities — such as the 2015 D-Link DIR-645 flaw and known Confluence or Cisco RCE bugs — also continue to see active exploitation. Organizations should prioritize remediation of these critical and actively targeted vulnerabilities, while reinforcing application security against injection and XSS attacks.
CitrixBleed 2 Citrix patched a critical vulnerability in its NetScaler ADC and NetScaler Gateway products that is already being compared to the infamous CitrixBleed flaw exploited by ransomware gangs and other cyber scum, although there haven't been any reports of active exploitation. Yet.
Security analyst Kevin Beaumont dubbed the vulnerability "CitrixBleed 2." As The Register's readers likely remember, that earlier flaw (CVE-2023-4966) allowed attackers to access a device's memory, find session tokens, and then use those to impersonate an authenticated user while bypassing multi-factor authentication — which is also possible with this new bug.
GCVE-1-2025-0002: Cl0p Ransomware Data Exfiltration Vulnerable to RCE Attacks A newly identified security vulnerability in the Cl0p ransomware group’s data exfiltration utility has exposed a critical remote code execution (RCE) flaw that security researchers and rival threat actors could potentially exploit.
The vulnerability, designated as GCVE-1-2025-0002, was published on July 1, 2025, and carries a high severity rating of 8.9 on the CVSS:4.0 scale.
CVE-2025-31022: More details about PayU wordpress extension "This can be abused by a malicious actor to perform action which normally should only be able to be executed by higher privileged users. These actions might allow the malicious actor to gain admin access to the website."
CVE-2025-4517: Additional information RISK : Multiple vulnerabilities affect the standard TarFile library for CPython. Currently, there is no indication that the vulnerability is actively exploited, but because it is a zero-day with a substantial install base, attackers can exploit it at any moment. An attacker could exploit flaws to bypass safety checks when extracting compressed files, allowing them to write files outside intended directories, create malicious links, or tamper with system files even when protections are supposedly enabled. Successful exploitation could lead to unauthorised access, data corruption, or malware installation, especially if your systems or third-party tools handle untrusted file uploads or archives RECOMMENDED ACTION: Patch Source: ccb.be
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Well, that's like...great and all. Is this game a big deal though? I played it a few hours and it never really hit with me. The movement was cool, but the actual gameplay was like Parkour Payday.
My friends and I play it nightly, because it's a good casual FPS and it has many modes, decent progression. Honestly environment destruction is such a powerful mechanic for making games have variability between games that it makes each feel unique - like a puzzle even at times.
There's not a great deal of free games right now that are capturing our attention, we wanted an FPS this month, and there's been no paid games everyone's been willing to jump on.
Funny enough we're waiting on Arc Raiders to drop which is also a game by the studio behind The Finals.
"I know zero people who play it, so let me into the inside knowledge about it. "
"Hi, my friends and I play it. We're people. Here's why we like it."
"You sound like an ad".
My brother in Christ, you asked for someone to tell you about the game and then I did - wtf did you think was going to happen. I'm not even really giving it a glowing review. I'm mostly saying there's not a lot of great competition in the scene right now and this game does enough good to be fun to play. At the cost of free, my poorer friends are happy to play it while we wait for the next paid game we know we want to get.
I'd love to be playing Nightreign but it's not good enough for them to buy in, and other games like... Oh what's that extraction shooter by the original Hell Let Loose team... Hunger? That's not out yet.
Like ya dawg, I like The Finals - I'm a guy on the Internet responding to a comment from a random about the Finals. That's a pretty safe bet.
Attackers with physical access to a Linux system can access a debug shell simply by entering the wrong decryption password several times in a row.
Yeah, no duh. This isn't a critical security flaw unless you have the worst partition scheme on your encrypted volumes imaginable. It's not even a process flaw at that point, just "possible".
This is essentially what the Israeli government did to Android a decade ago with Pegasus: if you can get in front of the bootloader, you can compromise disks once encrypted because everything is happening in an in-memory boot process.
Thats how it has always been and always will be. If a threat actor had free access to your device for even just a couple seconds, its compromised rare earth trash.
Exactly. Silicon is not a rare earth element. Neither is Aluminium nor plastic nor Lithium (it's getting rarer alright, but doesn't fall into the category).
The amount of rare earth elements is really small in these devices.
Explain. The way i understand it, if somebody flashes malware into your firmware or bootloader then that device cant really be guaranteed to ever be safe again.
Secure boot helps protect against evil maid attacks by checking hardware and OS signatures. If the boot process has been tampered with, the user can be alerted that the secure boot process can no longer properly verify signatures.
While its probably true that you can no longer guarantee that system can be used safely ever again, at least you will be aware that it was tampered with and you can go ahead and send that system to e-waste and get you a new system.
i know this is not for PCs but GrapheneOS uses the Google Titan chip and this app to solve that problem.
might be a long time before we get similar hardware for PCs. the only thing that's remotely similar is the Apple T2 for MacBooks but there's no Linux distro with comparable security to GrapheneOS yet.
It seems the issue here is that initramfs is not signed, which makes this attack possible.
If it is signed and an evil maid modifies the initramfs itself, it will break the secure boot process and the user will be notified that their system has been tampered with. This should indicate that the secure boot protection is working.
If initramfs is not signed and it drops to the debug shell, then the attacker can make any changes to your system without it affecting secure boot, since it has already passed the protection. At least that's my understanding when I read this.
This is true, unfortunately some Linux users have been conditioned to "just turn off Secure Boot" without understanding what this actually means and entails.
Despite considering that I need to setup secure boot for my laptop, I have kept it on hold for a bit too long. But then again, considering the area I am in, I can hardly expect someone to try and steal my data or try to put a ransomware or similar thing, if it means having to get physical access for it. Much higher chance for someone to just steal and sell the thing as is.
There are probably cases where turning off Secure Boot is fine. If you make that decision for yourself and are aware of the implications, go ahead. My remark wasn't against users turning it off, but rather against the advice of "just turn it off lol"
Yeah, that's probably just people who read the initial comments from back when secure boot keys were not user configurable (and support wasn't available in Linux) and kept on echoing it all the way to the present.
Kinda similar to the "Linux is just secure" echoers, who might have started from some proper argument explaining what kinds of security problems don't exist in systems developed using Linux and why they don't require installing a 24/7 antivirus background process. Because people tend to make catchphrases. I too sometimes, forget the implications and tend to make them.
Depends on the OS, but you can generally have mkinitcpio handle generating new UKIs after updates and also have it trigger something like sbctl to re-sign images.
This is an issue with these half-baked security solutions.
Don't get me wrong: the setup protects against some very common threats (i.e. device gets stolen). But they're unsuited for evil maid attacks.
Secure Boot isn't flawless, but it can improve system security if used correctly; unfortunately, most distributions don't go all the way as demonstrated here. I guess this can be solved via UKIs, but anything built on the users machine like an initramfs can't be signed properly if no user TPM keys are enrolled and available during generation.
The issue I have with all this is that these distributions don't really tell you that the security they provide is ultimately limited. Personally, I have custom TPM keys, the initramfs is signed, I unlock via TPM PIN and the emergency mode is disabled. Also UEFI needs to be password protected so that an attached can't modify your booting parameters, though this couldn't be done undetected because it'd break TPM supported boot.
A proof-of-concept exploit for a critical local privilege escalation vulnerability affecting major Linux distributions, including Fedora and SUSE environments.
I started using computers at 640x480, sometimes 800x600. 1024x768 was a blessing. Since then I've always cherished every extra pixel I could get. I would never dare use anything above 1x scale.
I've used a laptop that needed scaling despite only having a 1080p screen (because the screen was too small? Not sure) and now I'm certain I'm never purchasing a monitor that needs scaling.
To me, pushing 1080p but only having the screen real state of 1366x768 felt pretty dumb, on top of dealing with scaling woes being a pan in the ass in every OS
Drumpy has been promoting their brand new "rapidly assembled" ICE "detention facility" (read: concentration camp) that they (themselves) nicknamed "Alligator Alcatraz" in the middle of the Florida Everglades (middle-of-no-where swamp land)
I like flatpaks, kinda. If something is in the standard repo, I install it. If it’s a library or CLI tool, I add the repository. If it has simple build instructions, I build it. If all of those things are too complicated or they want me to run a script, I just install the flatpak.
I'm a user. I just want to run the software. I don't really care about the means of delivery. If it's not available via package manager, then I have to get it some other way.
For me, it's the unrenameable, unmoveable, non-hidden snap directory in my home directory's root that doesn't even follow the naming convention of the other directories in there.
~~> plus sudden updates that nuke active applications.~~
~~This is not what's supposed to happen. If an app installed through flatpak is active while it's receiving an update, then the update is not supposed to affect the running application until it's closed/restarted.~~
Edit: Somehow I didn't realize the concern was raised against Snap and not Flatpak.
Snap is not all bad if you're on a Ubuntu based distro, I just don't like the way it's pushed and that it comes from Ubuntu mostly. Startup time is a major issue for me also, but all in all it works.
I'm still sitting on the fence, heavily prefer flatpak but when Ubuntu is going to package nvidia drivers in a snap it's a thing I'm up for trying.
My understanding is that if I'm on Ubuntu and the snap uses the same underlying Ubuntu version as my distro it should be fast but I haven't seen it.
Immutable OSes are difficult to use for coding or other tasks that include installing many terminal utilities and for that reason, I don't recommend them and certainly don't want them to be the future of Linux distros. And if I'm going to create a container running a different distro to install and run the apps I want to use, then I may as well use that distro on my host.
You just move to user directory installation of most tools via brew on Linux. It's not difficult. The Bazzite distro handles all this incredibly well via brew, flatpaks, and distrobox.
@shrewdcat They waste memory by including libraries with every binary rather than using system libraries thus removing the memory efficiency of shared libraries.
i had a hard time getting used to them but now i love them in mint i can switch between the package version and flatpak version and usually the fp one is more updated
See, I only use flatpaks sparingly for this reason, but in some cases they're indispensable when you don't want an application to access certain parts of your system. The sandboxing is what makes them useful, in my opinion. For everything else, there's the deb packages.
That's not really true. It lists all the flatpak dependencies in that disk use, but a lot of those are shared, so they don't actually use that much each if you install more than one, and the deb dependencies aren't included at all. Flatpaks really do use more space, especially if you only have a small number of them, but it's not as bad as that.
No you weren't. That would be ridiculous. The deb dependencies are most of your Linux install. Maybe counting just the new dependencies being installed alongside a typical deb install, but that's still not an apples to apples comparison to 100% of all the flatpak dependencies, even ones shared with other flatpaks, and even that's still very rarely over 1GB.
That's certainly a concern for some, but I'm using like 30 GB for all the things I've installed, which is a lot (12 (flatpak-system), 76 (flatpak-user)) but that's on a 2 TB drive, which amounts to like 1½% of the total available space. I don't think that's a bad trade.
And not many consider the environmental impact of this either. Sure storage might be cheap (not in my country but I digress) but more space still requires more storage and across thousands of computers and then millions of computers that's not an insignificant increase. We should be increasing technological efficiency not what were doing at the moment which seems to be just throwing more power and resources at the problems.
Plus I found on my install flatpak wasn't cleaning up the flatpaks autoinstalled for older versions of nvidia drivers, they were all still listed as dependencies. Not sure who's to blame but that was taking up a few much needed GBs.
I agree that flatpak should just invoke flatpak uninstall --unused right after uninstalling a flatpak. I don't get why it doesn't do this automatically. Granted, some distro package managers (used to) operate somewhat similarly in that they required the autoremove option.
I actually tried flatpak uninstall --unused and it didn't remove these ones. So there's something odd going on there. My guess is maybe Mint manually installed them through the driver manager program? That's a wild guess, I don't know how it works.
I've packaged a CLI that I made as a flatpak. It works just fine. Nothing weird was required to make it work.
The only thing is that if you want to use a CLI flatpak, you probably want to set an alias in your shell to make running it easier.
I'm not sure why more CLIs aren't offered as flatpaks. Maybe because static linking them is so easy? I know people focus on flatpak sandboxing as a primary benefit, but I can't help but think of static linking was easier for bigger applications, it wouldn't be needed as much.
IDK why you're being so rage baity. Its easy to avoid flatpaks if you dont like them. Only thing I've ever found as an obstacle was adding the binaries to my PATH so I can launch it with dmenu_run. Otherwise my package manager works well enough.
Bonus points: Write a PKGBUILD that installs flatpaks to /opt and symlink out binaries as needed.
@ZWQbpkzl [none/use name] @shrewdcat There are three reasons I don't like flatpak, snap, and others of their ilk. 1) The waste of memory by the eliminating the functionality of shared libs, and where I see this most problematic is for people with older memory constrained hardware, 2) the way they distribute crap all over your file systems making a mess, and 3) they are completely unnecessary, instead of inventing a whole new package system just compile the damned binary static and then there is no need.
@shrewdcat @ZWQbpkzl [none/use name] The reason I see it as an issue is those with low end machines coming from Windows to Linux only to find it performs poorly, when using native libs on a tight memory machine it would have performed satisfactorily. I myself am not terribly affected, my workstation is an i7-9700k with 96G of RAM and I have servers with 256G of ram and 18 cores, so the overhead of some extra libs not the end of the world, but for someone on an old Dell laptop with 1-4GB and 2 cores, it is.
@anarchoilluminati [comrade/them] @ZWQbpkzl [none/use name] A lot of my defensiveness is not related to Linux per se' but to the waste that takes so much potential away from what we could do. The first computer I ever programmed had 512 bytes of core memory, you could only program it with machine code, there wasn't even an assembler. Still I was fascinated.
Then a friend bought a Compucolor II 8080 based machine, got board with it after a few months and lent it to me. I learned to program 8080 assembly on it.
Then I bought a Trs-80 model III with the intent of running a BBS on it. I had a whole of 48k of RAM and 320k of floppy disk to work with. I wanted to run a BBS on it, after spending another $300 for a RS-232 port (yes a UART and a few buffer chips set you back $300 to Tandy), I quickly discovered the operating system had no support. And because a lot of what I wanted to do would have been too slow in BASIC, I wrote a custom OS/language (It was like TRSDOS with Microsoft BASIC in structure, but had support for the RS-232 serial port, a lot of additional keywords, better disk I/O routines that would anticipate running out of buffer and spin up and seek the heads ahead of a read to reduce the latency of the floppy drives, format output to screen width, etc. When you're trying to do all of this on such a small machine, you learn to write efficient code. Then for the rest of your life you can't understand why it takes someone else a 5Ghz CPU and a TB of disk to do what you did on 2Mhz and 320k and it's frustrating.
There are merits to using flatpaks. With flatseal application, you can fine-tune the permissions given to a certain flatpak application. The best thing is restricting internet usage.
I love installing things from the CLI and prefer to only do it that way but Linux needs a single click install method for applications if it’s ever going to become a mainstream OS. The average person just wants to Google a program, hit download and install. If not that then they want to use a mobile-like App Store.
Flatpak is kind of perfect at achieving both those things
Oh 100% but have you tried to explain how to use one to a computer novice? Like yes, the answer is usually “they should just…” but novice users will never. With flatpak, they get an experience similar to how MacOS works and a bit like how .exes work and it Just Works™️
Edit: like I’ve had trouble showing people how to use the GNOME App Store which could not be any more simple. Anyone who has been convinced to install Linux already feels way out of their element so making everything feel as natural as possible is essential (and I mean, flatpaks are awesome anyway)
Wait how do you install flatpaks? I add the remote (if necessary) and then install it from there. That is nothing like I have ever seen on Windows (though apparently there are package managers).
That just displays the command or is there a browser extension that runs it for you too? Most Windows apps certainly don't run by just clicking a button either.
Edit: and if you happen to download an rpm, you just double click it in the filemanager (or single click if that is your setting) and it launces the install GUI.
Its similar to how MSI file install looks...just next next finish kind of thing
For sure and I agree that should be enough but the average person is not good with computers and they don’t want to learn. They won’t understand the nuances of different distributions of Linux. Like try explaining the difference between a .deb, a .tar.gz, and a .rpm to a person who’s already hésitent about using Linux. Flatpak solves that by just having one download that any Linux install can use
Those mystical average people would probably stay on Windows, if they don't care or cannot learn basics of other systems. Its really not hard to explain and understand, even for "average person" that there is an universal source for applications and there are packages designed and managed by your operating system. I think its important for people to learn basics and we should teach them, not dumb them down like on Windows. Soon people won't be able to eat themselves anymore...
Just go to the package manager, type in the name of the program, install.
That's easier than on windows: go to the browser, search for the program, avoid the ads, search for the download button, follow the install wizard, avoid the toolbar
A few reasons security people can have to hesitate on Flatpak:
In comparison to sticking with strictly vetted repos from the big distros like Debian, RHEL, etc., using Flathub and other sources means normalizing installing software that isn't so strongly vetted. Flathub does at least have a review process but it's by necessity fairly lax.
Bundling libraries with an application means you can still be vulnerable to an exploit in some library, even if your OS vendor has already rolled out the fix, because of using Flatpak software that still loads the vulnerable version. The freedesktop runtimes at least help limit the scope of this issue but don't eliminate it.
The sandboxing isn't as secure as many users might expect, which can further encourage installing untrusted software.
By a typical home user's perspective this probably seems like nothing; in terms of security you're still usually better off with Flatpak than installing random AUR packages, adding random PPA repos, using AppImage programs, installing a bunch of Steam games, blindly building an unfamiliar project you cloned from github, or running bash scripts you find online. But in many contexts none of that is acceptable.
I mean, they added "bash scripts you find online", which are only a problem if you don't look them over or cannot understand them first... Their post is very much cemented in the paranoid camp of security.
Not that they're wrong. That's the big thing about security once you go deep enough: the computer has to work for someone, and being able to execute much at all opens up some avenues of abuse. Like securing a web based service. It has to work for someone, so of course everything is still vulnerable at some point. Usually when private keys or passwords are compromised if they're doing things remotely correctly, but they're still technically vulnerable at some point.
The parent comment mentions working on security for a paid OS, so looking at the perspective of something like the users of RHEL and SUSE: supply chain "paranoia" absolutely does matter a lot to enterprise users, many of which are bound by contract to specific security standards (especially when governments are involved). I noted that concerns at that level are rather meaningless to home users.
On a personal system, people generally do whatever they need to in order to get the software they want. Those things I listed are very common options for installing software outside of your distro's repos, and all of them offer less inherent vetting than Flathub while also tampering with your system more substantially. Though most of them at least use system libraries.
they added “bash scripts you find online”, which are only a problem if you don’t look them over or cannot understand them
I would honestly expect that the vast majority of people who see installation steps including curl [...] | sh (so common that even reputable projects like cargo/rust recommend it) simply run the command as-is without checking the downloaded script, and likewise do the same even if it's sudo sh. That can still be more or less fine if you trust the vendor/host, its SSL certificate, and your ability to type/copy the domain without error. Even if you look at the script, that might not get you far if it happens to be a self-extracting one unless you also check its payload.
They always seem to have some critical limitation. Handbrake is too slow via flatpak to work. Flatpak Zoom had no camera access. Flatpak-only Zen browser can't use passkeys. Zen browser asks to be my default browser every time I open it, even though it is and I always say yes; is this a flatpak limitation? I don't know, and I'd prefer not to have to figure it out just for some theoretical benefits and more overhead.
Is there no other way on your system to see what the default browser is? On Gnome you can see a few of your default applications in the settings. And what happens if you open an html file for example? Does it open in Zen? If yes then it appears that Zen is set as your default browser, what more is there to check?
I used them for some things, but other things still don't work quite right. Take Steam for example. I do love flatpaks for testing out apps, things with really finicky dependencies, or pinning a specific version of a software that I want to continue to work in the future. However, for most things, Arch + AUR just covers all my needs without any hiccups.
To me flatpaks are sort of like NixOS. All the benefits they provide aren't something I need on a daily basis. Rolling back works just fine 99% of the time with downgrade. I already have system backups. Despite what some articles might insist, things don't just break all the time. I'm not running untrusted software.
Basically no solution is perfect, but they don't need to be. If the benefits I gain can be recreated through other methods without the tradeoffs they introduce, then I will go with that. Of course, that isn't to say they don't have their place, but sometimes I feel like some people think that "being designed from the ground up" to handle certain use cases is always better than whatever "cobbled together" thing we currently have and that isn't always the case. I'm specifically quoting those two phrases because these are the exact phrases you will hear projects using to justify their existence. In fact, I would go so far as to say that some people have outright confused modularity for "cobbled together".
One last example I want to make is that I make use of projects like the fish shell and helix editor. In these cases, I find the features they introduce to be worth the tradeoffs and work better because of being designed "from the ground up" to do what they do. However, I don't make use of immutable systems, containers such as docker, or say filesystems such as btrfs. The features they provide are not useful enough to me compared to the problems they introduce.
Don't AppImages also have a similar requirement just with stuff that is already installed on many popular distros so many people just don't notice it? I think I read somewhere that running AppImages on systems that even slightly differ from the big popular distros is a pain since you still have to ship this stuff with them but it is more cumbersome than with flatpaks.
Flatpaks together with "immutable" distributions, Wayland and systemd are a heresy, a crime against the UNIX principles, a disgrace in the eyes of of SED and AWK. REPENT! Save your immortal core dumps and return to the one true /home !
If it's a mostly self-contained app, like a game or a utility, then Flatpak is just fine. If a Flatpak needs to interact with other apps on the host or, worst case, another Flatpak it gets tricky or even impossible. From what I've seen though, AppImage and Snap are even worse at this.
Flatpak doesn't support dev device access no matter what I use flatseal and all the shabang, so bottles is useless to me for a lot of the wine applications I would like to "not emulate"
I'd take a well-maintained native package for my distro over a Flatpak, but sometimes, a Flatpak is just the the easiest way to get the latest version of an application working on Debian without too much tinkering - not always no tinkering, but better than nothing.
This is especially true of GIMP - Flatpak GIMP + Resynthesizer feels like the easiest way to experience GIMP these days. Same with OBS - although I have to weather the Flatpak directory structure, plugins otherwise feel easier to get working than the native package. The bundled runtimes are somewhat annoying, but I'm also not exactly hurting for storage at the moment - I could probaby do to put more of my 2 TB main SSD to use.
I usually just manage Flatpaks from the terminal, though I often have to refresh myself on application URLs. I somewhat wish one could set nicknames so they need not remember the full name.
Which ones? Everything in the arch main repos are compiled for your system, and most things in the AUR can either be built from source, or have -bin installs.
aleph one from the AUR refused to run properly, often crashing on startup so i just grabbed the flatpak the weirdest one was ghostwriter from the official repos, for some reason one day the preview window showed heavily corrupted output and tinkering with it on and off for a week did nothing, including a complete purge and reinstall of the program the flatpak was the only version of it that worked after that
Mostly because of detailed and easy permissions, and also because I have other distibutions on my other computers and want my programs to be consistent everywhere - same programs, same version.
My favorite part of the linux experience is the FREEDOM, but also being talked down to for not using my freedom correctly, I should only do things a specific way or I might as well just use windows.
Because using your freedom to promote options that restrict freedom means helping to remove your freedom. But hey, what do the Linux elders know? Clearly the new people into Linux are far smarter...
If we’re talking about enterprise-grade, five-nines reliability: I want the absolute simplest, bare-bones, stripped down, optimized infra I can get my hands on.
If we’re talking about my homelab or whatever else non-critical system: I’m gonna fuck around and play with whatever I feel like.
You are mixing different ideas of freedom. Software freedom is not the same as freedom of choice of software.
You don't need Linux to have choices of what software to use, you have that in most (all?) proprietary systems, in some you might even have more choices than in Linux.. even if it includes proprietary software.
This is analogous to how being a free person (not a slave) is not the same as having freedom to choose who to work for, even if some of them are slavers (ie. having freedom to choose your master).
Flatpaks are pretty great for getting the latest software without having to have a cutting edge rolling release distro or installing special repos and making sure stuff doesn't break down the line.
I use Flatpaks for my software that I need the latest and greatest version of, and my distros native package for CLI apps and older software that I don't care about being super up to date.
My updater script handles all of it in one action anyways, so no biggie on that either.
Flatpaks are the best all-in-one solution when compared to Appimages or Snaps imo.
I don't like how so many distros ship with discover configured to install flatpaks by default. It's a huge newbie trap when you click "open file" and uh where are all my files?? You should only install a flatpak if the program is not available for your OS, or if the native version doesn't work for some reason.
I'm starting to think that in terms of features and possiblities, nix might truly be the best third party package manager of all. But the downside is that especially when using it the way it's recommended, combined with home manager, it has the steepest learning curve. Also graphical apps can be problematic. There is a tool called nixgl that tries to solve this, but it's a wrapper, so when a nix application opens a child process that needs to use the native system drivers, that childprocess is also wrapped in nixgl and it breaks. I recently found a neat workaround on github to solve this in a better way, which is to create a driver package manually with home manager, and symlink it to /run/, which is also where the drivers are linked on NixOS. This is a gamechanger to me because with no driver problems anymore, you can install almost everything through nix on pretty much any distro, except maybe for some programs that need system level access to run. You can install graphical programs, cli programs, and even entire window managers with it. I'm using full NixOS at the moment, but i'm seriously debating moving back to void linux with nix on top. Currently messing with it in a vm to test my configs.
I like them as an option, there are some programs like Bottles or specific game launchers that work under flatpak better than the versions available via native package manager (with Bottles in particular, you can use various built-in sandbox features via flatpak which makes things a bit more secure), but it's also a bit of a pain because it's an additional package manager you have to update separately now, or tweak if things go wrong.
Certainly a fan, and I don't understand the hate towards it.
Flatpaks are my preferred way of installing Linux apps, unless it is a system package, or something that genuinely requires extensive permissions like a VPN client, or something many other apps depend on like Wine.
The commonly cited issues with Flatpaks are:
Performance. Honestly, do you even care if your Pomodoro timer app takes up 1 more megabyte of RAM? Do you actually notice?
Bloat. Oh, yes, an app now takes 20 MB instead of 10 MB. Again, does anybody care?
Slower and larger updates. Could be an issue for someone on a metered traffic, or with very little time to do updates. Flatpaks update in the background, though, and you typically won't notice the difference unless you need something newest now (in which case you'll have to wait an extra minute)
Having to check permissions. This is a feature, not a bug. For common proponents of privacy and security, Linuxheads grew insanely comfortable granting literally every maintainer full access to their system. Flatpaks intentionally limit apps functionality to what is allowed, and if in some case defaults aren't good for your use case - just toggle a switch in Flatseal, c'mon, you don't need any expertise to change it.
What you gain for it? Everything.
Full control over app's permissions. Your mail client doesn't need full system permissions, and neither do your messengers. Hell, even your backup client only needs to access what it backs up.
All dependencies built in. You'll never have to face dependency hell, ever, no matter what. And you can be absolutely sure the app is fully featured and you won't have to look for missing nonessential dependencies.
Fully distro-agnostic. If something works on my EndeavourOS, it will work on my OpenSUSE Slowroll, and on my Debian 12. And it will be exactly the same thing, same version, same features. It's beautiful.
Stability. Flatpaks are sandboxed, so they don't affect your system and cannot harm it in any way. This is why immutable distros feature Flatpaks as the main application source. Using them with mutable distributions will also greatly enhance stability.
Alternatives?
AppImages don't need an installation, so they are nice to see what the program is about. But for other uses, they are garbage-tier. Somehow they manage both not to integrate with the system and not be sandboxed, you need manual intervention or additional tools to at least update them/add to application menu, and ultimately, they depend on one file somewhere. This is extremely unreliable and one should likely never use AppImages for anything but "use and delete".
Snaps...aside from all the controversy about Snap Store being proprietary and Ubuntu shoving snaps down people's throats, they were just never originally developed with desktop applications in mind. As a result, Snaps are commonly so much slower and bulkier that it actually starts getting very noticeable. Permissions are also way less detailed, meaning you can't set apps up with minimum permissions for your use case.
Flatpaks, appimages, snaps, etc: why download dependencies once when you can download them every time and bloat your system? Also, heaving to list installed flatpaks and run them is dumb too, why aren't they proper executables? "flatpak run com.thisIsDumb.fuckinEh" instead of just ./fuckinEh
No thanks. I'll stick to repos and manually compiling software before I seek out a flatpak or the like.
This shit is why hobbies and things should be gatekept. Just look at how shit PC design is these days. Now they're coming after the OS.
As I said, dependencies typically don't take that much space. We're not in the '80s, I can spare some megabytes to ensure my system runs smoothly and is managed well.
As per naming, I agree, but barely anyone uses command line to install Flatpaks, as they are primarily meant for desktop use. In GUI, Flatpaks are shown as any other package, and all it takes is to push "Install" button.
If you want to enjoy your chad geeky Linux, you still can. Go for CachyOS, or anything more obscure, never to use Flatpaks again. At the same time, let others use what is good and convenient to them.
Do all laptops users have this option? Also you keep saying megabytes when it's never just a few megabytes. It downloads atleast a few gbs worth of data just for one gui app.
Please clarify, what option do you mean? Flatpaks are supported on any Linux system, it doesn't matter what distro or hardware. Or if you mean sparing some megabytes - typically yes as well. The smallest amount of memory I've seen on a laptop is 32gb, and typically it's no less than 250gb.
If it's not present in you distributions' app store, you can either enable it somewhere or download another app manager like Discover, GNOME Software, or pamac if you're on Arch.
If installation of some app incurs a few gbs of downloads, it is likely that your system updates packages alongside installing your app. Typical Flatpak app takes 10-150 megabytes.
I've been working on Linux for 15 years now and I perfectly remember the origin of many concepts. If you look at it through time, what would it be like: 1. We can build applications with external dependencies or a single binary, what should we choose? 2. The community is abandoning a single binary due to the increased weight of applications and memory consumption and libraries problems 3. Dependency hell is coming ... 4. Snap, flatpack, appimage and other strange solutions are inventing something, which are essentially a single binary, but with an overlay (if the developer has hands from the right place, which is often not the case) 5. Someone on lemmy says that he literally doesn't care if the application is built in a single binary, consumes extra memory and have libraries problems. Just close all permissions for that application...
Well, all I can say about this is just assemble a single binary for all applications, stop doing nonsense with a flatpack/snap/etc.
UPD: or if you really want to break all the conventions, just use nixos. You don't need snap/flatpack/etc.
I don't mind other solutions, as long as they have the key features Flatpak offers, namely: * Being open-source * Having app permission system * Having bundled dependencies * Integrating decently with the system
Times are changing, and memory constraints for most programs are generally not relevant anymore.
Old guy here too, used un*x before linux existed in the 90s. I still use a Debian based distro (MX) without systemd and no snap/flatpak/whatever. Just build/compile or install .deb and dependencies. Lastly unfortunately I had to install a flatpak to test "deskflow", the first time I installed one, I feel dirty now 🙁
The few things I don't like about flatpaks (which become a problem on atomic distros that use almost all flatpak by design):
Some types of embedded development is essentially impossible with flatpaks. Try getting the J-link software connected with nrftools and then everything linked to VScodium/codeoss
Digital signing simply doesn't work, won't work for the foreseeable future, and is not planned to get working,
Flatpaks sometimes have bugs for no reasons when their package-manager counterparts don't (e.g. in KiCAD 8.0, the upper 20% or so of dialog boxes were unclickable with the mouse, but I could select and modify them with the keyboard, only the flatpak version)
The status on whether it is still being actively developed or not (at least I hear a fair amount of drama surrounding it)
But besides those small things, it seem great to me.
Thanks for the input! Yes, there are still certain issues with Flatpaks (for me it was aforementioned VPNs which also don't work through Distrobox, and it would be quite odd anyway). But overall, they manage most apps well, just as you say.
Either it did something it shouldn't, or the system updated Nvidia drivers every time for no apparent reason. I have an Nvidia GPU, running proprietary drivers, and haven't ever witnessed anything of the kind.
Idk how, but one time I tried installing something as a flatpak and it took like 300+MB and a very long time. I figured something was wrong, found a way to install it normally and it took like 10MB and installed quickly. Idk what went wrong, but I'll never touch this garbage again
Edit: oh they're not for arch. Maybe they should have told me before the 300mb slog
If i got it right, flatpacks gather all of the dependencies of the package and bundles them with tha package. Maybe those extra 290mb were from dependencies that you already had installed but that flatpak wanted to install another copy.
Otherwise I'm agnostic on flatpaks - I've used a couple and they're ok? They just remind me of old windows games that dump all their libraries in a folder with them.
On a modern system the extra space and loss of optimisation is ok, but on older hardware or when you're really trying to push your system to run something it technically shouldn't, I can see it being an issue.
I've heard Flatpaks aren't great at CLI tools, is that true ?
As a Nix user, I'm glad Flatpaks exist for other people, but I only ever use them when a package is not available from Nix directly. Seeing as Nix is literally the biggest package manager out there, it's a pretty rare occurrence.
I posted this in another thread, but reposting here because a lot of people, including myself up until very recently, were under that impression:
I've packaged a CLI that I made as a flatpak. It works just fine. Nothing weird was required to make it work.
The only thing is that if you want to use a CLI flatpak, you probably want to set an alias in your shell to make running it easier.
I'm not sure why more CLIs aren't offered as flatpaks. Maybe because static linking them is so easy? I know people focus on flatpak sandboxing as a primary benefit, but I can't help but think that if static linking was easier for bigger applications, it wouldn't be needed as much.
About the image: The joke's on you, I install my flatpaks via the terminal.
I've started using flatpaks more after starting using Bazzite and I liked them more than I expected. As a dev, I still need my work tools to be native, but most of my other needs are well covered by flatpaks.
Tip: Flatseal is a great config manager for flatpaks' permissions.
I replaced Firefox system package with Flatpak because I think browser is the most used and vulnerable thing in my system. And the size seemed reasonable.
I did not replace Thunderbird because its size is almost 10 times.
Installing them is not difficult. It's the same as any other flatpak.
The problem is when running them (actually, when running any flatpak, not just CLI tools) you need to type out the whole backwards domain thingy that flatpaks use as identifier, instead of having a proper typical and simple executable name like they would have if they were installed normally.
I end up adding either symlinks or aliases for all my flatpaks because of this reason. After doing that it's ok.. but it's just an extra step that's annoying and that the flatpak devs have no interest on fixing apparently.
one of my least favorite things about arch and other rolling distros is that yay/pacman will try and recompile shit like electron/chromium from source every few days unless you give it very specific instructions not to - which is annoying as shit bc compiling the entirety of chrome from source takes hours even with decent hardware.
granted, i fucking hate google products too but if you’re doing any web dev it’s necessary sometimes.
idk im definitely willing to admit i might be the idiot here. managing your packages with pacman might just be routine to some people. to me arch is the epitome of classic bad UX in an open source project. it’s like they got too focused on being cmatrix-style terminal nerds and forgot to make their software efficiently useable outside of 5 very specific people’s workflows. it’s not even the terminal usage that is bad about arch. plenty of things are focused on that and… don’t do it shittily? idk…
edit: yes to all the arch fanboy’s points in response to me. i used to be super into arch and am aware of the fact that this isn’t explicit behavior but to act like it doesn’t happen in a typical arch user experience is disingenuous. i also disagree with the take that arch doesn’t endorse this outright with its design philosophy, bc it does. the comparison of the AUR to other, similar things like PPAs doesn’t land for me bc PPAs aren’t integrated into the ecosystem nearly as much as AUR is with arch. you can’t tell people to just grab the binaries or not use AUR whenever it’s convenient to blame the user, when arch explicitly endorses a philosophy amicable to self-compilation and also heavily uses the AUR even in their own arch-wiki tutorials for fairly basic use cases. arch wants to have its cake and eat it too and be a great DIY build it yourself toolkit while also catering to daily driver use and more generalist users. don’t get me wrong, it’s the best attempt at such a thing i’ve seen - but at a certain point you have to ask if the premise makes sense anymore. in the case of arch, it doesn’t and it causes several facets of the ecosystem to flounder from a user perspective. the arch community’s habit of shouting “skill issue” at people when they point out legitimate issues with the design philosophy bugs the fuck out of me. this whole OS is a camel.
is garuda like endeavorOS or manjaro where it’s technically still an arch-based rolling release distro but the OS maintainers hold packages from upstream mainline arch?
i don’t hate that model, it’s more fun to use as an end user for sure, but i feel like it kind of defeats the point of arch’s entire ethos lmao.
sometimes you’re working with particular releases or builds that don’t, but like i said i might be the idiot lol.
i like the concept of arch. i don’t like the way i need to come up with a new solution for how im managing my packages virtually every few days that often requires novel information. shit, half the time you boot up an arch system if you have sufficient # of packages there is 9/10 times a conflict when trying to just update things naively. like i said it’s cool on paper and im sure once you use it as a daily driver for awhile it just becomes routine but it’s more the principle of the user experience and its design philosophy that i think might be poor.
arch is for techies in the middle of the bell curve imo… people on the left and the right, when it comes to something as simple as managing all my packages and versions, want something that just works^TM^ - unless i specifically want to fuck with the minutiae.
conflict when trying to just update things naively
Sounds like AUR problems. IMO using AUR helpers that tie AUR packages to your full system update command is a trap. AUR never professed to be a stable repository (in fact it's the opposite). AUR has a place, but it should be used sparingly and thoughtfully.
i agree with this but this isn’t the reality of the arch ecosystem. AUR is explicitly promoted on the wiki for a large amount of tasks the average user is going to do. it feels skeevy to acknowledge the problems with the AUR and then abscond arch’s responsibility for them, because the AUR is not like PPAs or anything. it is significantly more integrated into the ecosystem.
The wiki article : - specifically says that packages are not thoroughly vetted - does not recommend using yay or another AUR helper (which is the primary thing I recommend against) - has a frequently asked question section that is fairly technical and should indicate that it is not for the faint of heart
The aur helper wiki has a fun red disclaimer at the top that no one reads
you (rhetorical you, not you) can recommend not using the AUR officially all you want. it doesn’t mean anything if a large number of tasks the average user is going to do require AUR packages. i’m kind of drunk rn but i’ll go find specific pages of the wiki that demonstrate what i’m talking about, i stg this isn’t nothing. the core system itself can entirely be managed with pacman, yes, but the average user is going to be doing a lot more than just that. there is a certain discord in the messaging of arch as a whole.
this is exactly my point. arch can either be a nuts and bolts distro or it can be made for normies. it can’t be both.
To reiterate, I don't think there is anything wrong with using the AUR. I think that using an AUR helper that ties updating AUR packages to your pacman -Syu is a trap that people keep falling into despite the warnings in the wiki.
All of the normal Arch packages are pre-built, so the only way you'd be compiling things that often is if you installed a large amount of things from the AUR. Make sure you get the bin versions instead of git versions.
The google-chrome and chromium packages are already a binaries so my guess is you need ungoogled-chromium-bin. You can also use the Chaotic AUR repo to get pre-built binaries of a lot of the most common AUR packages. But ideally you should avoid using the AUR when it's not necessary.
While using the AUR is common, it's a bit frustrating you are blaming Arch for your experience. If you only use pacman you would never compile anything, or have very many conflicts. It's like if you added 20 different PPAs on Ubuntu and then complained about the problems that arose from that.
one of my least favorite things about arch and other rolling distros is that yay/pacman will try and recompile shit like electron/chromium from source every few days unless you give it very specific instructions not to
My understanding is that constantly triggering compiling like that shouldn't be happening in any typical arch + pacman situation. But it can happen in AUR. If it does, I think it's a special case where you should be squinting and figuring out what's going on and stopping the behavior; it's by no means philosophically endorsed as the usual case scenario for packages on arch.
There's certainly stuff about Arch that's Different(TM) but nothing about the package manager process is especially different from, say, apt-get or rpm in most cases.
saying it can happen in the AUR feels disingenuous to me when you consider how integrated the AUR is to the arch ecosystem. this is a genuine complaint from a user perspective and is an issue with the design philosophy imo. it is a special case but it’s so frequent as to be annoying, is my point.
not sure why everyone is replying like i’m unaware and totally ignoring the actual grievance i have. im very well aware of pacman and yay’s intended behaviors, i just think they’re shit in some cases. idk if people who say this have never tried to daily drive arch before or something but the AUR is absolutely not optional unless you want to constantly hand roll your own shit. see my edit to the original comment.
Feyd did a pretty good job of outlining the AUR disclaimers in a different comment so I won't do that here. It's true that Arch won't stop you from shooting yourself in the foot, but again it's nuts to claim that routine compiling is the usual case for all rolling distros and belies your claim that you're familiar with usual case experience. There's absolutely no routine experience where you're regularly compiling.
I've used debian and apt-get most of my life, I've used arch on a pinetab 2 for about 6 months, regularly playing with pacman and yay and someone who's never met me is saying I'm a fanboy for being familiar with linux package management. 🤷♂️
saying it can happen in the AUR feels disingenuous to me when you consider how integrated the AUR is to the arch ecosystem. this is a genuine complaint from a user perspective and is an issue with the design philosophy imo. it is a special case but it’s so frequent as to be annoying, is my point.
not sure why everyone is replying like i’m unaware and totally ignoring the actual grievance i have. im very well aware of pacman and yay’s intended behaviors, i just think they’re shit in some cases. idk if people who say this have never tried to daily drive arch before or something but the AUR is absolutely not optional unless you want to constantly hand roll your own shit. see my edit to the original comment.
iit: nerds unable to comprehend that building a piece of software from source in not something every person can do
huh? Using package managers almost never involves compiling. It's there as a capability, but the point is to distribute pre-compiled packages and skip that step in the vast majority of cases.
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Bro, TRUTH. I have preferences but when you gotta get something done, it doesn't matter how the app comes bundled. I'd run .exe's through Wine if I needed to.
never tried flatpak, snaps were so bad as to never consider non-native installs or just use docker instances when I need to run something weird. so dunno.
whats the use case for a flatpak exactly? maybe im not the target audience???
Flatpaks mean you don't have to compile everything from scratch and solve dependency conflicts if you want a newer version of a program than what's available in your distro's repo, of if it's something that doesn't have a native version at all.
Honestly, i'm not entirely sure what Flatpaks are all about. Not sure I could explain them. But I use them. I've used apt. I've even used Pacman and Yay in Manjaro for a few years. Now, I also Flatpak (no longer on Manjaro, though. I no longer boot to a blank screen every 6 months or so! Very nice!)
Flatpaks are basically containers, allowing applications to maintain their own dependencies separate from your system. It's similar to a Windows program shipping with its own precompiled DLLs, helping prevent dependenct conflicts when you go to update something you installed with pacman or yay.
Flatpaks are great for situations where installing software is unnecessary complex or complicated.
I have Steam installed for some games, and since this is a 32 bits application it would install a metric shit-don of 32 bit dependencies I do not use for anything else except Steam, so I use the Flatpak version.
Or Kdenlive for video editing. Kdenlive is the only KDE software I use but when installing it, it feels like due to dependencies I also get pretty much all of the KDE desktop’s applications I do not need nor use nor want on my machine. So Flatpak it is.
And then there is software like OBS, which is known for being borderline unusable when not using the only officially supported way to use it on Linux outside of Ubuntu – which is Flatpak.
And then there is software like OBS, which is known for being borderline unusable when not using the only officially supported way to use it on Linux outside of Ubuntu – which is Flatpak.
But why is that? I mean just because it is packaged by someone else does not mean its unusable. So its not the package formats issue, but your distribution packaging it wrong. Right? In installed the Flatpak version, because they developers recommended it to me. I'm not sure why the Archlinux package should be unusable (and I don't want to mess around with it, because I don't know what part is unusable).
The unofficial OBS Studio Flatpak on Fedora Flatpaks is, seemingly, poorly packaged and broken, leading to users complaining upstream thinking they are...
The quoted image does not say so, they do not say the native packaging from your distribution is borderline unusable. That judgement was added by YOU. The devs just state the package on Archlinux is not officially supported, without making a judgement (at least in the quoted image).
As for the Fedora issue, that is a completely different thing. That is also Flatpak, so its not the package format itself the issue. Fedora did package the application in Flatpak their own way and presented it as the official product. That is a complete different issue! That has nothing to do with Archlinux packaging their own native format. Archlinux never said or presented it as the official package either and it does not look like the official Flatpak version.
So where does the developers say that anything that is not their official Flatpak package is "borderline unusable"?
I spent my time fighting AppImages until Canonical started to force Snap on me. I hated Snap so bad it forced me to switch distros. Now I appreciate Flatpak as a result and I don't find AppImages all that bad, either. Also, I haven't found myself in dependency-hell nor have I crashed my distro from unofficial Repos in well over a decade.
-It's a long way of saying It works for me and it's not Snap.
I like the idea of them because I don't like dealing with dependencies changing and breaking stuff and I don't really care too much about disk space in the context of non-game desktop apps, as I don't tend to install lots of them.
That being said I absolutely hate that permissions are all over the place and flatpak doesn't ship a GUI to manage them by default, nor do you get any indication as to what permissions a program has until you try some functionality (like filesystem or camera access) only to find out it doesn't work out of the box.
I've never heard anyone say that Flatpaks could result in losing access to the terminal.
My only problem with Flatpaks are the lack of digital signature, neither from the repository nor the uploader. Other major package managers do use digital signatures, and Flatpaks should too.
I was just wondering the connection between flatpaks and the terminal because I’ve never heard of flatpaks before and Wikipedia says they’re a sandboxed package management system or something?
As someone who uses Flatpak you can still use the terminal to install, uninstall and do maintenance, not sure why people believe terminal is useless with Flatpak 😞
Flatpaks are containers, same as Snaps, I personally prefer Flatpaks over Snaps, but just my personal choice. I use Flatsweep and Flatseal apps to help administrate Flatpak apps, but use terminal as well 🙂
I've no real preference so long as my PC starts stuff. The reason I avoid flatpaks is because I have at some point acquired the habit of anything I install that's not an appimage I pretty much launch from the terminal and I remember trying flatpaks and them having names like package.package.nameofapp-somethingelse and I can't keep that in my head.
I've actually been discussing the idea of Flatpaks offering "terminal aliases", similar to what Snaps do, with some people involved in Flatpak. It's something that could happen in the future, but for now, you can totally create an alias to run a Flatpak from a single word, it's just a PITA.
Nah, it's the same as with systemd, docker, immutable distros etc. Some people just don't appreciate the added complexity for features they don't need/use and prefer to opt out. Then the advocates come, take not using their favorite software as a personal insult and make up straw-men to ridicule and argue against. Then the less enlightened of those opting out will get defensive and let themselves get dragged into the argument. 90% that's the way these flame wars get started and not the other way around.
For the record, I use flatpak on all my desktops, it's great, and all of the other mentioned things in some capacity, but I get why someone might want to not use them. Let's not make software choice a tribalism thing please. Love thy neighbor as thyself, unless they use Windows, in which case, kill the bastard. /s
You answered your own question. Arch and Nix solve the same problem Flatpak solves, but by using better dependency management. Flatpak’s main proposition is built-in sandboxing and convenience, but if you’re on an “expert” oriented distro like Arch (btw), you probably don’t care as much about those “freebies.”
In that case flatpak is basically a hack for OS's with broken or improper dependency manangement systems. Either those OS's should fix their broken systems, or ppl should move to OS's that do it properly, as that's one of the most important functions of your OS anyway.
Also pretty much everywhere you're using flatpaks (or snaps or...), you are doing it on top of a Linux system that's still getting its core system updates via traditional dependency management. And flatpaks, despite trying not to, make assumptions about your kernel, your glibc version, architecture, ability to access parts of your filesystem or your devices, that can break things, and doesn't bother to track it.
And the closer you get you tracking that stuff (like Snap tries to), you hilariously just get back to where you started, with traditional dependency management that already exists and has existed for decades.
main selling points are isolation and having the latest version directly from developers without having to wait for your distro to package/update it.
both are debatable since they are not as good as promoted (isolation doesn't always work correctly and it's a mess to configure it once you use anything different than the more mainstream distros) or goes against the historical preference (using bundled everything instead of cooperating with your distro packages and trusting every individual over trusting your distro as a whole) but having the latest version on any distro without having to wait is a popular need so they gained traction quite fast. this might make little sense for rolling release distros (arch, nix) but it's helpful if you have a stable base (years old debian) but need the latest feature on an specific application or have to use very specific libraries that are not packaged on the main distro and would require complex upgrades
I'm not a huge fan of Flatpaks, they're a lot harder to distribute offline versus something like AppImage. Seriously, you have to like create an offline repository, then create a bundle, and it's like 6 or 7 steps, it's honestly kind of ridiculous lol but other than that they seem fine, and they're easy enough to update (but so are apt packages)
I know some people may say "oh why do you need that", but Linux has taught me that my computer is my own, and I should be able to use it the way I want to. I shouldn't have to fight with my package manager to get it to do what I want. So I guess you could say, no I'm not really a fan of Flatpaks.
Personally, I didn't mind Snaps, but I'm getting kind of really fed up with especially for-profit companies etc so I don't like Snap that much now either.
Apt packages are nice, but the more of them you have installed, especially if you're using Ubuntu-based distros and have lots of PPAs, the more annoying upgrading your distro version can be because of all the dependencies and cross-dependencies.
AppImage tends to just work for me, as long as it's not compiled with a newer libc-bin version than the distro I'm currently using has, and I really enjoy that it's just one file I can copy and run pretty much anywhere.
I seem to have constant issues with AppImages. Every single one I have currently won't open. I get an error message relating to either qT or GTK. Tried searching for the error and get a bunch of old forum threads talking about either not being compatible with Wayland at all, or comments stating that the one specific AppImage in question must have been "packaged badly". Thankfully, nothing 'mission critical' for me is an AppImage currently, but it is quite upsetting that I have the most problems with the supposed "just works" app packaging/distribution option.
Yes, Flatpak is overall a better approach when compared to AppImages, since being dependent on a known runtime ensures the program will run whenever the runtime is available.
What I wish they would add is a way to run the flatpak in a portable way. Because as it stands, AppImages is the only option for that. Flatpak doesn't really allow to have a portable installation in a pendrive, for example. At the moment there's no replacement for AppImage in such use cases, which is a pity.
But there's no fundamental technical design roadblock in flatpak that would prevent it from supporting this in the future, imho. theoretically one could create a program that mounts the flatpak file into a ramfs layered with the runtime and run it.
Yeah that's why I'm a bit weary of switching to Wayland, so many apps still seem unsupported, or have issues, whereas on X11 everything for me just works. Plus, the two DE's I'd actually consider using either don't have Wayland support at all or have very early experimental support (Cinnamon and Xfce) so it'll still be a while for me before I am able to consider switching to Wayland, assuming everything else works.
I don't actually know if it is a Wayland issue - most of those forum posts are like 3 years old... And I have definitely used these same AppImages in the past on Wayland without issue. I think the AppImages are expecting some specific dependency to be installed on my system that is no longer installed due to updates. (which I thought was counter to the entire point of an AppImage? I thought it was supposed to be kinda like Flatpak where it has it's dependencies in the image? Maybe I just misunderstood AppImage...)
To give you some hope, my Distro switched to Wayland as default a little over a year ago (i think) and I have not been running into problems (outside this AppImage problem, if it is indeed a Wayland issue, which I cannot confirm or deny).
It destroys the beautiful and carefully cultivated ecosystem of distributed packages that has been the bedrock of Linux for decades. They're bloated, often not quite as sandboxed as claimed, have created packaging chaos, and assume availability of system services that may not be there.
The one "good" thing about containers is that you keep your DLL-like mess localized. Just one or a few related apps run in the container and if they want / need some weird library version, they can have it without breaking other things.
Yeah but that’s a huge benefit already. I am not savvy enough in the development side to know whether that’s a reward that justifies any of the frustrations people have. Personally I don’t really mind varying methods to do any one job, as long as it’s well-documented, easily managed, and does not create a higher load on the system in any respect.
I view the delays during launch and the extra time spent during updates as a "load on the system."
Also, it entirely depends on your deployment environment. I develop system images that go out on thousands of devices deployed in "Cybersecuity Sensitive" environments, meaning: we have to document what's on the system and justify when anything in the SBOM (list of every software package installed on the machine) is identified as having any applicable CVEs... soooo.... keeping old versions of software anywhere on the machine is a problem (significant additional documentation load) for those security audits. Don't argue with logic, these are our customers and they have established their own procedures, so if we want their money, we will provide them with the documentation they demand, and that documentation is simplest when EVERYTHING on the system has ALL the latest patches.
The most secure systems are those that don't do anything at all. You can't hack a brick.
Hey, like I said, great info for me to learn because I don’t know. I was only saying that I don’t mind because my situation is fine with it. Thanks for the info, it’s interesting. I’m sure for any situation there’s a better and worse solution and I’m sure that for any solution, there’s a situation that either likes or dislikes the approach.
Yeah, I agree. Canonical seems to think "snaps are for everyone" so, for both my personal and professional applications they have decided: "Canonical is not for me."
i mostly use them for proprietary stuff or for software that is incredible painful to package (mostly electron apps). i will probably never use them for anything that actually matters but i also use rolling release distros everywhere so latest release is never too far. for testing latest version of any software i prefer appimages since they are simpler and don't need a messy setup as flatpak, but i also won't use them pass the testing phase and i prefer packaging the software if possible.
snaps, on the other hand, will never go near any of my systems. not even by accident
The thing that grinds my gears is when I'm doing an apt update and then it goes off to check on the snaps and drags the process out a lot longer. It doesn't help that they're slower to load the apps too. Then there's the additional attack surfaces to accumulate more CVE reports (and more out of date library versions on your system begging for a security patch...) Mostly, I just purge snap support from Ubuntu these days - but for people who don't notice / mind such things, you do you - maybe they'll eventually improve the lightweight container system until the rest of us don't notice it either.
There was a few years where I pretty much only used Flatpaks because I was scared of the terminal. But now that I've learned how to use the terminal, it's so much more convenient because I can quickly update all my applications all in one place without having to open a separate app. Plus, some Flatpaks can fall really behind on software updates.
There might be a Linux userbase someday where no one over than developers actually knows how to use the terminal, because users can run everything they want without a command line, but maybe that's actually a good thing because it'll drive up how many people use a Linux distro.
With Windows and Mac, there's a shareholder incentive to enshittify. With Linux, if a distro goes bad and gets commercialized, there's always another distro people can move to, not to mention there's no financial incentive. The more people get on Linux, the less power these tech companies have. Personally, that and privacy are what drew me to Linux much more so than being able to tinker or fine-tune my experience.
There might be a Linux userbase someday where no one other than developers actually knows how to use the terminal, because users can run everything they want without a command line
Ideally, all the essential terminal commands could be replicated in a user-friendly GUI-applicable manner. Don’t ever have to remove the terminal for those that enjoy it, but if we could have a magic world where even the failure states could be navigated with little to no prior knowledge required and it gets everyone away from Windows and Mac for good, I’m all for it.
Could things like this go in linuxmemes? Memes are fun but it would be nice to keep this a place for actual information. And no, this is not a comment on what it's saying, I'm just tired of so many memes.
I wouldn't say I have had a problem with snaps or flatpacks either. I uninstall all snaps first thing when I install recent Ubuntu versions, and I have never messed with flatpacks, so... no problems.
Flatpaks aim to be a middle ground between dependency hell and "let's pull in the universe" bloat.
Applications packaged as Flatpaks can reference runtimes to share "bases" with other applications, and then provide their own libraries if they need anything bespoke on top of that.
And they are still, in my experience, slow to load, a cumbersome addition to the update process, and often un-necessary.
Don't get me wrong, if you're in a tight spot and can't make two significant software packages work in a distribution due to conflicting library version requirements... some kind of lightweight container solution is attractive, expedient, and better than just not supporting one of the packages. But, my impression is that a lot of stuff has been moved into flatpak / snap / etc. just because they can. I don't think it's the best, or even preferred, way to maintain software - for the desktop environment.
(Returns to checking on his Docker containers full of server apps on the R-Pi farm...)
I'm running an immutable distro at the moment (GNOME OS), and I felt no loss of performance due to Flatpaks. Snaps, on the other hand, do have a perceivably longer launch time.
Given that it's an immutable distro, everything I need needs to be either a Flatpak, a Snap, an Appimage or an extracted tarball, otherwise it runs in a container. The advantage of this system is stability and making the host incorruptible, as well as the ability to very easily roll back updates or failed systemd-sysext layers.
Not everything can run in a Flatpak at the moment, but we're hoping the evolution in Flatpak, XDG portals as well as encouraging developers to use the available XDG portals can make this a possibility someday. Namely, IDEs don't run that well in a Flatpak, but GNOME Builder has proven that it's 100% possible with the currently available XDG portals as well as connecting your IDE or editor to a container.
Ubuntu Core, based on Snaps, is very much not ready for prime time IMO. It's kind of a mess outside of server use.
Look instead at Fedora Silverblue, Vanilla OS, and for the bleeding edge of immutable systems, GNOME OS.
KDE is about to launch their analogue to GNOME OS relatively shortly, named "Project Banana". These two are not exactly distros as they do not distribute the kernel, they are simply platforms that layer a bunch of images together to create a stable, reproducible system. There's also OpenSuSE Aeon, but I don't like its style of immutability as it's immutable by rootfs lock-out rather than immutable by image.
As for advice, learn how to use Distrobox / Toolbx containers. If you're a developer, this is where you will be working.
Immutable Linux is still young, and a lot of software isn't written with it in mind, so expect some growing pains.
Thanks. In the past I have worked in Slackware, and even had Gentoo on my home system for a couple of years, but otherwise I've been fully saturated in Debian and its children - so that's my "comfort zone." I used to like KDE, but drifted away from it when I got a 4K screen notebook and KDE hadn't figured out resolution scaling yet, while Ubuntu/Unity had. I never quite warmed up to GNOME, but definitely have done my time with it. XFCE has matured enough for me to daily drive it without too much pain now, and I love the ways it can be de-featured (don't want a launcher bar? Don't run it, nothing else breaks.)
Server-side, I have been filling my Raspberry Pis with Docker containers for a while now... it's not completely alien, but I do kind of tend to "set it and forget it" when it comes to container deployments.
Fast storage is one of the cheapest components of modern PCs so I'm always surprised when Flatpak file size is brought up. It's not something I worry about very much.
It's a neat concept. The distro-agnostic aspect is definitely a plus for some people but I still prefer distro-specific installation methods. The only time I would seek out the Flatpak version of a particular software is when it's the only version available.
flatpaks are fine and useful, i just wish we didn't move into a scenario where applications that used to be easily available in distro repos start moving away from them and are only available through flatpaks. distro packages are just so much more efficient in every way. flatpaks are easier on maintainers and developers but that comes at a cost to the user. i have about a dozen or less flatpak apps installed and already i have to download at least 2 gigs of updates each week. i run debian
I like flatpak, but I can't download Flathub flatpak applications and (specially) Flathub flatpak runtimes from my phone. I hope Flathub learns from F-Droid
I'm happy to use Flatpaks but the annoyances I've had are like when one application says to use you'll need to point to the binary of another application that it depends on but very understandably doesn't package together, figuring that out to me can be annoying so I'll switch to a regular installation and it all just works together no fuss, no flatseal, no thinking about it really. Also some applications where it's really nice to launch from the terminal especially with arguments or just like the current working directory and with Flatpaks instead of just right off the bat it's application name and hit enter, Flatpak hope you remember the whole package name
As long as software is available in the Software Manager to be installed that way... I don't care what format it's in.
But don't make normies go to the terminal. It's inhumane, and really does not help the masses get away from big tech - which is a worthier goal than keeping your software terminal-only.
While I wouldn't want flakpak going deep into the OS I think the advantage of using them on the desktop is obvious. Developers can release to multiple dists from a single build and end users get updates and versions immediately rather than waiting for the dist to update its packages. Plus the ability to lock the software down with sandboxes.
The tradeoff is disk consumption but it's not really that big of a deal. Flatpaks are layered so apps can share dependencies. e.g. if the app is GNOME it can share the GNOME runtime with other apps and doesn't need to ship with its own.
FTFY: Flatpaks are layered so apps can share dependencies. e.g. if the app is GNOME 4.2.11.3 it can share the GNOME 4.2.11.3 runtime with other apps and doesn't need to ship with its own, but every app requires a different GNOME version anyway
Perhaps ironically, this is mocking a strawman. Flatpacks can be installed and managed using the terminal! Not only that but Linux-Distros have had graphical package managers for decades.
The primary reason that distros have embraced flatpack / snap / appimage is that they promise to lower the burden of managing software repositories. The primary reason that some users are mad is that these often don't provide a good experience:
they are often slower to install/start/run
they have trouble integrating with the rest of the system (ignoring gtk/qt themes for example)
they take a lot more space and bandwidth
Theoretically they are also more secure... But reality of that has also been questioned. Fine grained permissions are nice, but bundling libraries makes it hard to know what outdated libraries are running on the systems.
As far as I know, I've only installed Flatpaks using the terminal. The most annoying thing about them for me is having to type out the fully-qualified name of the software (e.g. org.mozilla.firefox instead of just firefox), which is a very terminal-specific issue, LOL!
Size and gnome/GTK dependencies are main reasons why I don't use Flatpaks (I have nothing against gnome though, it just pulls in too much and KDE is worse in this regards, which is why I use Sway and River)
Flatpak being securely sandboxed by default is both its biggest strength and its worst point of contention. The XDG is still scrambling to replicate the permission requests paradigm from Android on the Linux desktop.
Not a fan for a few reasons. Flathub (as far as I know) works on the app store model where developers offer their own builds to users, which is probably appealing to people coming from the Windows world who view distros as unnecessary middlemen, but in the GNU/Linux world the distro serves an important role as a sort of union of users; they make sure the software works in the distro environment, resolve breakages, and remove any anti-features placed in there by the upstream developers.
The sandboxing is annoying too, but understandable.
Despite this I will resort to a flatpak if I'm too lazy to figure out how to package something myself.
I'm a big fan of the idea of sandboxed apps. Flatpak is not great as it compromises sandboxing for compatibility (both with distros and apps) and also it's quite stagnant now. But there are no other options anyway, so I use it.
War with who? I'm posting this from Kubuntu and I'd happily agree with you that Snap should fuck off and die. (In particular, the backend being controlled by Canonical makes it objectively bad compared to Flatpak.) Even among people like me who tolerate Snap (for now...), I really don't think you're gonna find anybody who actually likes it, let alone enough to champion it.
Oh, hi! I also use Kubuntu, but I love Snaps! I use them for everything. I even tried to use a Snap-version of the kernel, but it completely destroyed my system so I had to reinstall... but other than that, they're great.
I "grew up" with Slackware, so I definitely understand the dependency issue.
I like flatpaks (and similar) for certain "atomic" pieces of software, like makemkv. For more "basic" software, like, say, KDE, I want it installed natively.
Just another tool in the toolbox. Use it or not, up to the user. I've even seen Slackware users who say they use Flatpak to ward off dependency rabbit holes.
I laughed when I read the 2 tory petitions on this as they were suggesting to increase the barriers independents face when registering in a local riding.
Whether or not the solution being proposed is the best or only one is the question.
Instead several users are taking any discussion as being anti-democratic.
The Chief Electoral Officer of Canada raised concerns about how these long ballots were impeding the democratic process, including by presenting barriers to accessibility by voters.
This has become an increasing problem, with former Prime Minister Justin Trudeau’s riding being targeted in 2019.
There seem to be two kinds of barriers: - physical barriers to finding and marking the ballot of their choice - becoming informed of the positions and intents of candidates when there are so many candidates that do not actually intend to serve as MPs.
The underlying issue seems to be that a small group of qualified voters in a targeted riding are nominating a very large number of candidates.
That is 60+ candidates put forward by the longest ballot group were all nominated by the same small number of voters.
Is this reasonable?
Democratic rights are balanced with responsibility under the Charter. Is it reasonable for a single voter to sign the nomination papers for 50 candidates or even 20.
Only being able to sign the papers for one candidate in one election period may be too limiting as not all candidates obtain enough signatures to be minor drop out later for other reasons.
Would limiting the right to sign nomination papers to 2 or 5 candidates be a reasonable balance under the Charter?
While this specific solution being proposed by this CPC member may be too restrictive, it seems worth a debate.
And perhaps the second issue of voters being able to reasonably obtain information about the intent and positions of candidates would be resolved if there were not so many nominated candidates.
The Rhinoceros party position that their candidates would resign if elected was well known so voters could make an informed choice. The current long ballot situation doesn’t offer that choice.
A proactive referral to the Supreme Court of Canada might be the best way to get an understanding of the balance of democratic rights. It would be best to have a read on what would be a reasonable limitation on both those who sign nominations and those who put themselves forward vs the responsibility to have accessible ballots with candidates who intend to serve before any changes to the the elections act is brought forward.
That fine is so small that it's not even a slap on the wrist. It's not even a rounding error. It's like a grain of sand at the bottom of the ocean. It probably cost more in worker time just to issue the fine.
The silver lining to stuff like this is that it's now trivial to show examples of how the system works in favour of the 1%. In cases like this, the differential between profits and fines is so huge that anyone would understand how the fine is completely ineffective, and therefore regulation relying on such fines.
Needs to be % based. Years ago the TV show top gear was racing across Europe, they didn't speed in Finland as speeding tickets are based off income. Every other country they would speed and break whatever laws they want as it's small fines. Finland they drove proper because the speeding tickets would be hundreds of thousands of dollars.
It works. Put a fine based off profit, and all of a sudden you'll have complete compliance. Good luck getting that law passed when the billionaire class rules both parties and has us fighting over washrooms.
The complaint itself is disheartening, but isn’t necessarily about it being an indigenous flag; if the strata has a rule against hanging flags from balconies, it could just be that the strata didn’t know about the flag law, and someone didn’t like it in general (and would have complained no matter what flag it was).
Personally, I think it would be great to give this particular flag the same protections as a civic flag.
Personally, I think it would be great to give this particular flag the same protections as a civic flag.
It already is protected.
“The National Flag Act states that no strata has the authority to tell citizens they can’t fly the Canadian flag, and the Flag Act acknowledges that there are other flags,” said Parke, though there’s no express permission to fly an Indigenized Canadian flag.
Asking this since I've always been told the former and that your bladder rupturing from not going to the toilet is a myth and the story of Tycho Brahe is too old to be reliable. But in recent years, I've seen articles about people drinking alcohol and passing out and their bladders bursting because the sensations got dulled (which still shouldn't affect the sphincters giving way due to the pressure before the bladder actually ruptures, since it's about the sphincters being not physically strong enough to hold back the pressure).
The existence of overflow incontinence would seem to contradict this story from 2020, for example. Alcohol dulls the urge to urinate, but overflow incontinence often happens in absence of this urge as well, and when the detrusor muscles (which squeeze the bladder) aren't working.
An incident occurred in China in which the bladder of a man who fell asleep after drinking a large amount of beer bursts. Prickly! Hajime Hajime boy, praise 10 Ten bottles! Bladder cleft! https://mp.weixin.qq.
With that said, your question would probably hold more water (pun intended), if you had asked regarding a urinary tract infection or similar infection forcefully blocking the urethra, making it almost impossible to piss even if you wanted or needed to.
I won't go into the fine details, but early 2009 was definitely not fun for me after a multi-systemic infection that started as a dental abscess.
No, luckily nothing down south ruptured, but its never good when someone is pissing brown, I couldn't hardly even piss for a few days after I started antibiotics.
It won't compile, as cloned. It's more than just the directory structure which is completely silly. It's not surprising it didn't work, given it's messy state. I had to modify it a bit, so it could easily be something I did.
Anyone have Vial working? It's a popular keyboard so I expect someone has solved this problem. If no one responds, I'll take it on in a week or so so we can all enjoy ou R75 on linux with Vial.
The problem seems to be lack of ability to give the board a magic serial number. The vial app looks for a specific string in the serial number ("vial:") to identify a vial capable keyboard. My R75 won't accept a serial number, no matter what I do.
Apparently, this is a limitation of some cheap USB controllers (always answer 0 to all serial requests). I don't know if that's true but ChatGPT tells me it's so.
udevadm info -a -n /dev/hidraw$(ls /dev/hidraw* | tail -1 | tr -dc '0-9') | grep -i serial 2 ✘ ATTRS{serial}=="00000000000000000000000000000000" ATTRS{serial}=="0000:09:00.0"
Apparently, the magic number can be coded into the UID, also. I'm working on that, too, with no success so far. Apparently, USB controllers don't stand in for UID in any case.
I'm struggling with this. If anyone has some ideas or clear direction, I would consider it a favor. If I can manage to make it work, I'll publish the firmware for everyone.
Even if someone got the mossbed firmware to work, that would be helpful to know. I have been banging on it for three days with no luck. This is the most expensive, cheap keyboard I've ever purchased. lol!
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Canada seems to be headed toward a two party system. I think it's extremely important that we as Canadians push for electoral reform as quickly as possible.
FPTP guarantees that out come so get hype. We are pretty much there now. We just need a few more cycles of left splitting before people get tired of that and then our transformation will be complete.
Most abc do voters support proportional representation at 79%. It's the elite politicians on the conservatives and liberals that are being the hold up, who haven't face enough political consequences for opposing electoral reform in the first place.
The third party never forms a government but that does not mean it does not have an impact on national politics. See my other comment.
A three party system is completely different than a two party system even if only two of the parties have ever held a majority.
The NDP has been the official opposition. There are times, as in many minority governments, where the third party has more impact on national policy than the opposition does (via alliances).
Mark Carney’s liberals and Andrew Sheer’s conservatives must be pressured to support a citizen’s assembly to decide on the next electoral system that parliament must pass.
Because they want to keep the support of the populace. The kiwi politicians didn't want to pass electoral reform for years either until the public had enough of their nonsense and held steady on the issue.
The issue is that politics in Canada is increasingly adopting the team sports US model. Instead of being FOR certain policies or ideas, people are AGAINST somebody else. In that game, you only need two teams.
As long as you focus on competent administration, the three party system will stay strong. The third party is for bringing policies and ideas to the national stage. Because any time the two most powerful parties are ignoring popular policy, the second party will partner with the third to gang up on the party in power or the party in power will court the third to prevent it. Either way, the third party gets a national voice. And the third party has to focus on popular policy because they do not have enough power to do anything else.
I feel like we owe Singh for not giving into PP's election demands the previous October. We'd have a Conservative majority government right now with the NDP as the official opposition, which would have really saved their asses with the debt problem they currently have. He put the good of the country ahead of himself.
I mean, we have the Bloc Québécois, which I thank Quebec for because from my POV, we would already be there if it weren’t for the stubbornness of Quebeckers
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Maybe the NDP should stop being so foolish then. The party literally does nothing for the poor, we have a world class housing bubble and its Pierre thats beat the drum for years, then people wonder why the NDP is irrelevant as they continue to support mass immigration into a housing shortage.
We wouldn’t be in this situation if the NDP had chosen a remotely popular leader.
When people see and think they have no chance and won’t improve their lives the NDP gets crushed like they just did.
Just like how the LPC went from potentially one of the worst election outcomes in history to a miraculous win by having Trudeau resign, the NDP could have used that exact same time to choose a new leader themselves. A Charlie Angus type (rural, working class background, outspoken and direct, and healthy honest patriotism/pride in Canada) would have been an excellent candidate to actually call in working class Canadians to the NDP fold again.
And as an Ontarian, our provincial parties have been doing a terrible job campaigning against Ford, which has let them have successive majorities.
It’s really not a two party situation, it’s been years of watching the federal and provincial NDP constantly fumble a d miss opportunities.
The NDP's problem is not the candidate, it's the lack of policy alternative. We just spent 10 years on very incremental small potatoes. Sure non-universal dental and pharmacare is absolutely not nothing but these are not normal times. We need some Mamdani style policy proposals, a morally ambitious program to reform Canada.
Things like: - am aggressive tax policy to curb income and wealth inequality, which is a ticking bomb for our democracy - massive increases in non-market housing to address the housing crisis - free university to expand and train our next generation of doctors and nurses - a decisive energy transition and an actual war on the fossil economy, from the wells to the pumps - a new urban strategy framed around transit and active transport - a restorative economy and actual reconciliation and land back to indigenous people - a program for opening our borders aiming to grow and renew our smaller towns and cities - a renewal of our glorious Peacekeeping tradition and a positive role in the world based on an uncompromising commitment to international law
We are facing a slew of crises from the climate, to fascism, to billionaire dragons siphoning capital and throwing us into economic stagnation.
If we don't argue for our ideals, who will?
The NDP needs to do its job and present a brave democratic socialist vision for Canada and start shifting the Overton window to a future where the Liberals would be the right and the Tories the minor party.
You can fantasize about the kitchen sink of left policy all day long. None of this matters if the population is centrist neo-liberal minded. Carney is proof of this. Doug Ford is proof of this. Ford in particular is smart enough to know not to mess with social politics. That angers the broad spectrum center voters.
Your dream NDP candidate and platform will not suddenly enamor the population. People don't personally want to do hard things that are required to address critical issues on the economy and environment. The status quo is the path of least resistance even though the long term consequences are significant.
The problem is not so much platform. Leftist platform is well known. By now it's a big scary boogeyman thanks to conservative propaganda machine. The task is making such platform palatable. In other words selling it ways that people won't be fearful that it will put them personally under hardship.
People are short term myopic operators. The idea of a greater good for better personal outcomes does not compute. This is the fact of the matter. Why should anyone individual place big lofty but nebulous national/global issues ahead of food on the table for their family. My kids need to eat, is what anyone is thinking really.
I know you love leftist platform. You can give the list of policy all day long. That doesn't matter. What matters is making population not recoil at the thought of even one item on the list.
This is why the NDP became indistinguishable from Liberals. They could not figure out how to sell leftist platform. They got gradually nudged and scared from their convictions.
Every party is like this. They're timid inspite of some of them being blustering strongmen. They're all basically signalling to the the population not to worry because they won't be the one that makes your life harder than it already is. Unfortunately for left parties the world is right minded (though not necessarily at heart). It's the hardest to sell platform by simple metric of absolute distance. It's not about policy itself. The challenge is making that distance to left platform less scary.
Yes agree but the NDP have been here before (reduced), NDP voters lent their vote to the Liberals this time to block a PP govt while US is attacking us. While I acknowledge that the federal NDP is in disarray (no leader and very few federal seats) they still are the provincial govt in BC and Manitoba and form the opposition in Alberta, Nova Scotia, Ontario, and Saskatchewan. You could say that the federal cons are also in disarray, the leader without a seat, a leader who is the least popular leader in the country, who still has to survive a leadership review, and who may not survive that. We are not turning into a 2 party country actually IMO.
Trudeau screwed us, and his legacy is shit for that. I didn't mind him as a PM overall, but he had the mandate to reform our elections and he didn't do it - and worse he lied about it. His entire legacy is destroyed imo because of that.
Canadians are tired of our broken voting system.
After Trudeau broke his promise of reforming our electoral system in 2015, apathy and cynicism towards our democracy has grown.
On Thursday Registered Nurses’ Union President Yvette Coffey took aim at [Newfoundland and Labrador] Premier John Hogan, who has yet to publicly address the healthcare scandal, which [Auditor General] Hanrahan says has resulted in the province paying upward of $400,000 on average per agency nurse over the past couple of years.
NL Health Services, the province’s health authority, spent $241-million on agency nurses between 2022 and 2024, according to the auditor general. That’s up to four times the salary of local registered nurses, PC leader Tony Wakeham has argued. “Public nurses were denied benefits, pushed into arbitration over overtime, and treated as an afterthought,” Wakeham said last week. “The Premier, who once served as both Minister of Health and Attorney General, has remained absent and silent, even as the AG pointed to potential criminality and conflict of interest.”
This question came about over a discussion my brother and I had about whether dogs should be on leashes when outside. We both agreed that yes, they should, for several reasons, but that's not the point.
Let's use a hypothetical to better illustrate the question. Imagine that there's a perfume - vanilla, for example - that doesn't bother you at all (you don't like nor dislike it), but that is very upsetting to some people, and can even cause some adverse reactions (allergies or something). In this hypothetical, based on the negative effects, you agree that vanilla perfumes should be banned. Currently, however, they are allowed.
You're walking down the street, and randomly smell someone passing you by and they're wearing a vanilla perfume.
Would that upset you? Why, or why not?
My answer is yes, without a doubt. Even though the smell itself doesn't bother me, the fact someone would wear that perfume and not only potentially upset others, but put them in danger, is upsetting.
My brother, however, would say no! He couldn't explain his reasoning to me.
I know this is a little convoluted, but I hope I got my question across.
My response might be sligtly convoluted, but I'll try to keep it simple. It relates to allergies.
For me, I am extremely allergic to oysters, and largely also allergic to shellfish. I'm so badly allergic to oysters that I cannot be in the same room as someone else eating them, the smell alone makes me gag, my eyes water, and makes my bronchial tubes swell where I can't even breathe.
I however am luckily not allergic to peanuts. Regardless, I totally understand how potentially deadly a peanut allergy can be to those with the allergy, and if I'm in a public place around strangers, I tend to assume that anyone around me might have a peanut allergy.
Last year, I was in line at a gas station, and the woman in front of me waiting to pay had bought boiled peanuts. And she was fucking shelling and eating the peanuts while waiting in line, the bitch couldn't even wait to pay for them, with cash, and exit the store first.
I called her out on it, and even pretended that I did have a peanut allergy, and what she was doing was not only nasty, but also a danger to others handling her peanut juice covered money.
She proved to be a Karen and not give a fuck, but I did speak my mind, on behalf of people that could possibly fucking die over her nastiness and carelessness.
Even though the woman proved to be a Karen, the cashiers working the store that day totally understood why I was upset. If only they had or enacted a policy of don't consume any products in the store...
As far as the dog on the leash thing, we're about 99% in favor of that, only exception being when we take our dog out to our city park, where we adopted him from as abandoned.
Brownie knows every inch of the park and I feel it would be wrong to not let him roam free occasionally when there's not many people or other animals around. Those sort of days are few and far between though, so 99% of the time he's on the leash.
If it's an off leash park it's fine. If it's on lead have them on lead. It isn't about your dog it's about everyone else's dogs. Dogs on leash are significantly more reactive when another dog runs up to them, so it's important to have control of the dog, lest one of the dogs gets badly hurt.
Our park is mostly a water park for kids at the front, with a couple pavilions, and a boat ramp and senior citizen center in the back. So yes, it's not an official dog park, but unofficial its accepted as one by pretty much everyone.
We keep him on the leash when there's lots of people or other dogs around, but on days when the park is practically empty, we let him roam free and burn his calories.
He was abandoned for like 5 months out at the park before we decided to adopt him, so most regular park visitors already know him. Police officers approve, they even helped us adopt him.
He's a medium size dog, and mostly chill, just sometimes playful. He's never hurt anyone.
Of course that's not true for all dogs though, hence why we're very careful regarding what sort of days we might let him roam around off the leash.
I don't even have half an idea what all foods do or don't contain gluten, but I am still almost equally inclined to call out people just plain out being nasty, especially in a public space where they're about to exchange paper cash.
Like shit, I totally respect paper cash, but FFS, try to make sure your hands are clean when handling or exchanging money. And definitely don't be literally eating food with your bare hands right at the register before even paying for it.
There was a certain type of perfume that seemed popular back in the 90s, that would make me instantly gag and almost puke within seconds. I have no clue how anyone found that as any sort of pleasant smell.
To me I thought it smelled like a woman with a nasty yeast infection, trying to cover it up with potpourri. But it wasn't even the women's health causing it, literal potpourri smell alone causes me the same gag reflex, the stuff just smells nasty to me and I can't be in the same room as that smell for long.
So yes, there are reasons to be offended by particular scents, even if others somehow find them pleasant.
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Symptoms
No issues after logging in. After suspending (sleep) and resuming, screen takes 25 - 30 seconds to turn on. Display settings in Plasma take a long time to load, sometimes don't show automatic rotation option. Turning on screen after turning off (even without sleep) takes a long time. No suspicious logs in Kernel and Journald (even after comparing post-fix). Switching kernel makes no difference. Logging out and back in temporarily fixes screen rotation and screen waking until next suspend. Everything works in X11 session apart from screen rotation (appears unsupported). Running monitor-sensor hangs when running after suspend systemctl stop iio-sensor-proxy fixes slowdown issues
Workaround
Downgrading to iio-sensor-proxy 3.6-1 following Arch Linux package downgrade instructions. In my case with a cached package ```<> sudo pacman -U file:///var/cache/pacman/pkg/iio-sensor-proxy-3.6-1-x86_64.pkg.tar.zst
and optionally adding it to IgnorePkg
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IgnorePkg = iio-sensor-proxy # Issues in Wayland after suspend
System info
OS: Arch Linux x64 Host: Lenovo ThinkPad L390 Yoga Kernel: 6.12.35-1-lts DE: Plasma 6.4.2 iio-sensor-proxy (broken version): 3.7-1 Last full system upgrade: 2025-07-06
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