Europe is slowly ditching Microsoft: why it's happening & why it could fail.
Europe is slowly ditching Microsoft: why it's happening & why it could fail.
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atzanteol
in reply to AbnormalHumanBeing • • •zingo
in reply to atzanteol • • •I wouldn't be so sure this time around.
The world is a big uncertainly and the force in Europe for digital sovereignty is something I never seen before.
The initiative to protect Europes boarders and data information is justified.
geneva_convenience
in reply to zingo • • •brianary
in reply to geneva_convenience • • •Tenderizer78
in reply to geneva_convenience • • •geneva_convenience
in reply to Tenderizer78 • • •reuters.com/business/aerospace…
ExtremeDullard
in reply to atzanteol • • •It's different this time around.
The previous attempts were about freeing themselves from an abusive unprincipled data-hungry big data monopoly,
This attempt is about freeing themselves from an abusive unprincipled data-hungry big data monopoly operating in a fascist country and in cahoots with the regime.
I reckon it's serious this time.
geneva_convenience
in reply to ExtremeDullard • • •Spice Hoarder
in reply to geneva_convenience • • •geneva_convenience
in reply to Spice Hoarder • • •RadioFreeArabia
in reply to geneva_convenience • • •Truscape
in reply to geneva_convenience • • •Spaniard
in reply to ExtremeDullard • • •RadioFreeArabia
in reply to Spaniard • • •[Some*] Europeans just can’t get over their Arab and Muslim-hate despite neither Qatar nor Saudi Arabia posing any threat to Europe and actually being good trading partners. No tariffs, no restrictions, no unfair competition. They adopt many European standards and are a huge market for European goods and services. Yet still the hate is constantly being peddled.
* hopefully a minority but the hate seems to be universal regardless of the political leaning.
Spaniard
in reply to RadioFreeArabia • • •Are they democracies? No. Do they respect human rights? Also no.
I don't care as much about them as I care about pointing out the hypocrisy of my people. I have a thing against islam but that has nothing to do with this conversation.
juipeltje
in reply to RadioFreeArabia • • •Truscape
in reply to ExtremeDullard • • •Hell, I'm in Silicon Valley here in California, and some of my friends are also jumping off the proprietary ship because those large firms are willing to work hand in hand with federal agencies.
If you've read the NSA document disclosures by Edward Snowden, it's apparent that there is an open door for data requests. The current administration isn't a huge fan of California's diversity, so we might as well minimize our chances of being targetted...
disco
in reply to ExtremeDullard • • •Tenderizer78
in reply to disco • • •Ulrich
in reply to Tenderizer78 • • •HaraldvonBlauzahn
in reply to Tenderizer78 • • •problem that is difficult or impossible to solve because of incomplete, contradictory, and changing requirements that are often difficult to recognize
Contributors to Wikimedia projects (Wikimedia Foundation, Inc.)Spice Hoarder
in reply to disco • • •nickwitha_k (he/him)
in reply to Spice Hoarder • • •Fuck. That's like going straight from English breakfast tea to hash oil.
I've been using Linux almost exclusively both in my personal and professional life for a decade and a half. I only installed Arch a month or two ago.
Cyberwolf
in reply to nickwitha_k (he/him) • • •RadioFreeArabia
in reply to nickwitha_k (he/him) • • •folaht
in reply to disco • • •Brickhead92
in reply to folaht • • •disco
in reply to folaht • • •Ardens
in reply to atzanteol • • •ThunderLegend
in reply to atzanteol • • •IceVAN
in reply to AbnormalHumanBeing • • •Spaniard
Unknown parent • • •I don't know about the whole Europe but Spain is buying more energy from Russia than before the war and sanctions.
Don't get me wrong, I hope that would be the case but Europe is also Corporativist.
☂️-
in reply to Spaniard • • •CarrotsHaveEars
in reply to AbnormalHumanBeing • • •zgxiii [none/use name]
in reply to CarrotsHaveEars • • •CarrotsHaveEars
in reply to zgxiii [none/use name] • • •RadioFreeArabia
in reply to CarrotsHaveEars • • •None of what you listed is a viable alternative for a myriad of reasons. Only GNU+Linux can replace Windows.
CarrotsHaveEars
in reply to RadioFreeArabia • • •What's wrong with going back to pen and (e-)paper for office? My point is, if you are going to post something in the community, the word "linux" shall at least be in the title.
Good title example: Europe is slowly ditching Microsoft for Linux
It's nobody's fucking business when someone ditching Microsoft, then adopt BSD, Solaris whatnot. What matters to this community is someone adopting or ditching Linux, or they do something remotely related to it.
bufalo1973
in reply to CarrotsHaveEars • • •CarrotsHaveEars
in reply to bufalo1973 • • •I don't. This is how it looks like on my Voyager.
Point is (again), it takes zero effort to cross post a video or article here. Windows is historically having a high market share ratio, and people are migrating to Linux nowadays. That's good news to the Linux world. Even someone merely mentioning ditching Windows has an implication of adopting Linux instead.
But what if more and more posts implying this by only mentioning how bad Windows is? Is this a community for Windows circlejerk, or do we share informative stuff that's directly related to Linux? How about we share more article about how great Linux is (or can be), instead of how bad the competitors are becoming?
Spaniard
in reply to ☂️- • • •The European Union regulates the market so much it's hard to call it capitalism, the biggest european companies are basically EU projects like Airbus (every government funds it) or too big too fail like Siemens and/or they would use: "strategic industry" and be done with it.
Edit oh and I almost forgot it, or they are like Inditex, basically not European it's just an European getting rich while exploiting poor people all around the world, but I think this is actually capitalism and that guy isn't exactly appreciated by ruling dictator, I mean party, in Spain.
BudgetBandit
in reply to AbnormalHumanBeing • • •Actually, most of them already do have deals for a limited time. Skype is still available; they needed a new contract since teams does not work without communicating with Microsoft.
OTOH most things they do is via webclient.
If Microsoft was to release a mandatory update that has a single thing that required it to communicate with the organization, by law the whole governmental EU would not be able to use it.
Spice Hoarder
Unknown parent • • •☂️-
in reply to Spaniard • • •Ardens
in reply to AbnormalHumanBeing • • •Saleh
in reply to Ardens • • •bufalo1973
in reply to Saleh • • •Magiilaro
in reply to AbnormalHumanBeing • • •And at the same time we have the Jugendmedienstaatsvertrag in Germany (and with Germany as a strong force in the EU most likely everywhere in the EU soon) that will make all operating systems without fully integrated age restrictions illegal
heise.de/en/news/Minors-protec…
This part of the law alone is impossible to implement on a open platform like Linux.
Minors' protection: State leaders mandate filters for operating systems
Stefan Krempl (heise online)ramscoop
in reply to Magiilaro • • •Magiilaro
in reply to ramscoop • • •That Weird Vegan
in reply to Magiilaro • • •What makes you think they won't simply make it illegal to use linux?
Magiilaro
in reply to That Weird Vegan • • •To make something illegal by law it is needed to have a valid reason for that law to exist.
This is the case at least in every jurisdiction that has a somewhat functional separation of powers.
Due to this can't just make it illegal to use Linux, but with a Law like the Jugendmedienstaatsvertrag it comes as a free bonus.
jim3692
in reply to Magiilaro • • •Since it is impossible to implement on Linux, it may just be flagged as adult-only software.
But, there is still hope. What if Snaps and Flatpaks get properly flagged, allowing Ubuntu and/or Fedora to be legal?
Magiilaro
in reply to jim3692 • • •jim3692
in reply to Magiilaro • • •Magiilaro
in reply to jim3692 • • •So it is already possible in Windows.
Jankatarch
in reply to jim3692 • • •I mean it's impossible on all computers.
Windows should ensure you can only use app-store and make it impossible to install an exe from online as example
MacOS even funnier. If I save a bash script I found online mac is supposed to refuse, unless I am using a vpn that is!
jim3692
in reply to Jankatarch • • •I don't think they will prohibit side loading. This will cause serious issues to developers, and other professionals.
Like, I cannot use the X tool from Github, just because the Y developer refuses to publish it in an organized store?
Magiilaro
in reply to jim3692 • • •Magiilaro
in reply to jim3692 • • •This would render Linux unfit for use in Schools, Public Libraries, Youth Centers and other places where Children and Teenagers have access to PCs.
It is, in addition to that, possible that internal regulation of government offices prohibit the use of adult software. Not sure about it, but it would IMHO fit the mindset of bureaucrats
vrighter
in reply to Magiilaro • • •Magiilaro
in reply to vrighter • • •LegoBrickOnFire
in reply to Magiilaro • • •Magiilaro
in reply to LegoBrickOnFire • • •It is in ratification, and will (most likely) become binding law by 1st of December 2025 in Germany
German link:
rundfunkkommission.rlp.de/rund…
Reform des Jugendmedienschutz-Staatsvertrages 2023 . Rundfunkkommission
rundfunkkommission.rlp.deLegoBrickOnFire
in reply to Magiilaro • • •RadioFreeArabia
in reply to AbnormalHumanBeing • • •ssillyssadass
in reply to AbnormalHumanBeing • • •I think that if Linux is to be more widely adopted a more easily used distro needs to become mainstream. Let's face it, the average computer user barely knows how to use Windows, just because you find Linux easy doesn't mean they will.
Do you think you could teach Linux to your grandmother?
Saleh
in reply to ssillyssadass • • •Yes. Set automatic package updates, Install firefox with ublock and put it on the taskbar, and bookmark Facebook and Youtube for her. It is the same thing as under Windows.
I would argue that for the most "tech illiterate" users the Linux experience can be made even easier than the windows experience, because you have to set up everything for them anyways.
squaresinger
in reply to Saleh • • •Completely "tech illiterate" broser-only users are fine. It gets difficult once they happen to actually want to do something.
I have an older relative in that boat, and she was doing fine until she wanted to install some VPN to access foreign Netflix libraries. That was more difficult. Especially because she already paid for the service and that service didn't support her distro, thus there was no guide on how to use it.
Captain Aggravated
in reply to ssillyssadass • • •fading_person
in reply to ssillyssadass • • •18107
in reply to ssillyssadass • • •My 50+ yo mother uses Linux Mint daily with fewer problems that when she used Windows. Her crowning achievement in IT is learning how to use email.
I helped my 93 yo friend switch from Windows 10 to Linux 2 years ago. He called me 3 times in the first 2 weeks to ask how to do something, but hasn't had a single problem since that's related to the OS.
Linux Mint, Bazzite, Fedora, and several other Linux distros are already easier to use than Windows. The only thing holding most people back is fear of change.
There are some people who have specific setups in Windows or a large number of "Windows only" apps, but these people are in the minority. The average person can't even tell you which operating system they're currently using, and wouldn't notice the difference if you swapped the OS but kept the same web browser.
johannes
in reply to ssillyssadass • • •Actually, my mother knew how to use Debian before she could use Windows. Her first pc came with Windows XP, switched that for Debian as its been my main OS since 2000.
Yes, you can teach your grandmother to use Linux.
aim_at_me
in reply to ssillyssadass • • •Obin
in reply to ssillyssadass • • •We already have those. Arguably Windows is much more of a hassle to use than your average "works out of the box" distro. And don't start talking about the terminal, that's comparing apples and organges. A more apt comparison to the need of using the terminal on Linux is the need to apply registry tweaks or use powershell on Windows. As if "average users" would need to do that. They install software via the "app store", change settings via the GUI and run updates when prompted, all of which are seamless on most of these distros. If something breaks, they can't fix it themselves, but then they just go to someone else to help them, just like on Windows, which they also can't fix by themselves. Maybe they manage to reinstall, which isn't any harder than on Windows, if not easier these days.
The group you're actually talking about (and likely belong to) are the Windows power-users that would need to rethink things, and would be capable of rethinking things, if they wanted, which they don't. I know some of these people myself, complaining all day about Microsoft and the privacy nightmare that they put in huge effort to mitigate, but sadly they absolutely need to rely on this one "critical" piece of freeware from the 2000s that they are sure won't run on wine (not that they've tried) or a cracked copy of Photoshop they use for cropping and changing the brightness of desktop backgrounds, but it's the industry leader, so they obviously won't use "inferior" software for that, face the facts Linux users. They think package managers are much harder than downloading and clicking through Setup.exe for the 100th time in a row, and they've had this one bad experience with "rm -rf /" 10 years ago which is why they don't "trust" the terminal, yet routinely double-click on downloaded .bat files without thought. 🤷
Saleh
in reply to Spaniard • • •Spaniard
in reply to Saleh • • •murciatoday.com/spain_is_now_t…
As they article points out it's all maskerading by the fact that they heavily increased the import in 2023 and now is "reduced"
Spain is now the second-largest importer of Russian gas in Europe
murciatoday.comSaleh
in reply to Spaniard • • •Thank you for the article. It brought up something quite interesting that i wasn't aware off before:
looking a bit into it i found this article:
rbac.com/spains-role-as-a-natu…
So it seems that Spain is also taking the flak here for other EU countries that want to profit from Russian gas but not be directly associated with it.
Spain's Role as a Natural Gas Importer and Re-Exporter - RBAC Inc.
Bradley Churchman (RBAC Inc.)Spaniard
in reply to Saleh • • •Caveman
in reply to AbnormalHumanBeing • • •bufalo1973
in reply to Spaniard • • •commander
in reply to AbnormalHumanBeing • • •Spaniard
in reply to bufalo1973 • • •Sure but they are in Spanish. Murcia today is for the local brit community.
elmundo.es/economia/2023/12/01…
The same stuff over 200% increase in 2023 so others can say we dont buy stuff to Russia we buy it to Spain (who bought it to Russia). This source even points out the liquid gas that arrived by boat from Russia wasn't sanctioned.
As we say in Spain "hecha la ley, hecha la trampa"
larazon.es/economia/espana-com…
Says it decrease 25%, but it's 25% from that almost 200% in 2023.
España compra más gas ruso que americano en los últimos 12 meses
H. Montero (La Razón)bufalo1973
in reply to Spaniard • • •And now "La Sinrazón"🤦
You do know Marhuenda was the press chief of Rajoy, don't you?
17lifers
in reply to AbnormalHumanBeing • • •Tommi Nieminen
in reply to 17lifers • • •Kalcifer
in reply to AbnormalHumanBeing • • •I can't wait until Lemmy's Peertube integration is released ^[1]^. Then, iiuc, this comment section should be able to happen directly on The Linux Experiment's videos within Lemmy.
::: spoiler References
1. Type: Comment. Author: "Nutomic". Publisher: [Type: Post. Title: "Better federation for Peertube content". Author: "Kalcifer" ("K4LCIFER"). Publisher: ["GitHub". "LemmyNet/lemmy".]. Published: 2023-08-06T21:41:29.000Z. URI: github.com/LemmyNet/lemmy/issu….]. Published: 2025-03-27T08:28:52.000Z. Accessed: 2025-07-11T00:59Z. URI: github.com/LemmyNet/lemmy/issu….
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Better federation for Peertube content
K4LCIFER (GitHub)Dariusmiles2123
in reply to Kalcifer • • •Kalcifer
in reply to Dariusmiles2123 • • •A change regarding Peertube federation with Lemmy certainly does appear to be coming in Lemmy 1.0 ^[1]^, but it's currently unknown to me if it does actually fix the issue.
::: spoiler References
1. Type: Comment. Author: "Nutomic". Publisher: [Type: Post. Title: "Better federation for Peertube content". Author: "Kalcifer" ("K4LCIFER"). Publisher: ["GitHub". "LemmyNet/lemmy".]. Published: 2023-08-06T21:41:29.000Z. URI: github.com/LemmyNet/lemmy/issu….]. Published: 2025-03-27T08:28:52.000Z. Accessed: 2025-07-14T06:03Z. URI: github.com/LemmyNet/lemmy/issu….
- > #5509 fixes this, it will be released as part of Lemmy 1.0
- This is referring to code that was pushed to the repository that allegedly fixes the issue with Peertube federation.
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Better federation for Peertube content
K4LCIFER (GitHub)Bronstein_Tardigrade
in reply to AbnormalHumanBeing • • •Spaniard
in reply to bufalo1973 • • •Attacking the source instead of disproving the article.
You have hands, you can sources of your favorite side of the political spectrum, or ask an LLM.
But here are morejust because it's Saturday and I like the apple I am eating for breakfast and I am trying to make lemmy a better place than reddit: 20minutos.es/noticia/5168224/0…
theobjective.com/economia/ener…
20minutos.es/lainformacion/mer…
20minutos.es/noticia/5682026/0…
España redujo un 28% sus importaciones de gas en 2024 pero junto con Francia y Bélgica trajo a la UE el 85% del procedente de Rusia
Clara Pinar (20minutos)Bronstein_Tardigrade
Unknown parent • • •bufalo1973
in reply to Spaniard • • •Bruselas confía en que Naturgy y Repsol rompan sus contratos de gas ruso en 2027: “Pueden invocar fuerza mayor”
La prohibición de gas ruso trae una gran guerra legal en la UE: indemnizaciones millonarias a Moscú por incumplir contratos
Bruselas defiende la legalidad del veto al gas ruso ante dudas de importadores como Naturgy y Repsol
It looks like the problem are the contracts. They could go faster breaking the contracts? Yes. But it's Naturgy and Repsol, both private, not the government. Or are you suggesting that the government has to do a take over of the energy enterprises? 😉
Bruselas confía en que Naturgy y Repsol rompan sus contratos de gas ruso en 2027: "Pueden invocar fuerza mayor"
Irene Castro (ElDiario.es)Spaniard
in reply to bufalo1973 • • •First you doubt the claim. Then you attack the source, now you find excuses.
Did they or didn't they increase almost 200% the acquisition of energy from Russia in 2023? Is the Russian Federation a major provider of gas and oil for Spain (and other European countries) or not?
If you notice I am here only to point the hypocrisy of Europe, which they undoubtedly are and Spain is no different.
I don't know if you work for a company with business in Russia, I did when this whole thing started and contracts didn't matter much when sanctions came but I guess we weren't big enough to make excuses.
bufalo1973
in reply to Spaniard • • •You gave your sources and I gave you mine. And sadly I'm not working.
About the hypocrisy of the Union and the Spanish government, I know both have a truckload of it. But to each its own. The main problem are Naturgy and Repsol. And yes, the Spanish government should grow some balls and tell them to stop at once. But there aren't balls enough in this government to do the right thing.