Brampton petition calls for ‘immediate removal’ of all speed enforcement cameras
Petition calls for ‘immediate removal’ of all speed enforcement cameras in Brampton | inBrampton
Hundreds of people have thrown their signatures behind a petition calling for “the immediate removal” of all speed enforcement cameras in Brampton while the city is set to add more by the end of the summer.Ryan Rumbolt (INsauga | Ontario Local News Network)
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Lemmyoutofhere
in reply to Davriellelouna • • •MyMotherIsAHamster
in reply to Lemmyoutofhere • • •caitp
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caitp
in reply to caitp • • •Nouveau_Burnswick
in reply to caitp • • •Roads should be designed so that it's uncomfortable to drive above the targeted speed limit.
Things like road narrowing, speed bumps, bulb outs, lane adjustments, speed humps, pavement decorations, one way chokepoints, etc.
Current the Ontario road geometry supplement requires streets and roads to be geometrically designed to be at least 20kph higher than the posted limit. Well guess what, you want to naturally drive the design speed instead of posted.
Lower design speeds and target the remaining maniacs.
Quick video explaining speed of the measures I brought up (and why they work):
it’s time to s l o w down
YouTubeyardratianSoma
in reply to Nouveau_Burnswick • • •everything you say is true.
But thinking that cities will redesign their streets without public pressure? I doubt it.
Victor Villas
in reply to caitp • • •Why? Why does it feel unfair to follow the speed limit?
9488fcea02a9
in reply to Davriellelouna • • •Nougat
in reply to Davriellelouna • • •100% true, unless fines are scaled to be proportional with offender wealth.
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Victor Villas
in reply to Nougat • • •Randomgal
in reply to Victor Villas • • •While I'm down for eating the billionaires, this sounds awfully close to punishing people for being successful.
I agree it disproportionally affects poor people, but rather than scaling the punishment, maybe the answer is to look for non punitive measures that produce the same result.
Victor Villas
in reply to Randomgal • • •I'm in agreement that we need systemic solutions, and those involve improving road design, so we agree for the most part on the most important aspect of this.
But issuing bigger fines for breaking the law is very, VERY far from punishing people for being successful. It's a correction of an unfortunate truth: if you're wealthy, you can afford to drive recklessly.
No_Eponym
in reply to Victor Villas • • •Unscaled fines punish people for being poor, because the punishment is a larger percentage of their disposable income.
Why should a poor person pay a fine of 30% of their monthly take home, while a rich enough person pays 5% (or less?) of their take home for the same infraction.
The only fair solution is for the fine to amount to an equal percent of your take home pay. Then it is the same punishment for everyone.
Victor Villas
in reply to No_Eponym • • •healthetank
in reply to Nougat • • •Even then, I'd argue they still disproportionately impact those most likely to be on the road - those who need to drive for or to work.
But so what? Drive the speed limit and you don't get ticketed. This isn't some unfair cop picking and choosing who to pull over. Add scaling fines for income and its STILL going to disproportionally impact working class people.
Its still not an argument to get rid of them
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Nik282000
in reply to Nougat • • •teslasdisciple
in reply to Davriellelouna • • •HellsBelle
in reply to Davriellelouna • • •Please change the title to the one the article has.
That's rule 1 of this instance.
Killer57
in reply to Davriellelouna • • •rabber
in reply to Davriellelouna • • •Speed limits are just a cash grab
People will drive whatever speed they feel comfortable and if you actually want them to drive slower then build the roads accordingly for said speed
In Victoria we have 30 km/h speed limits on roads where you should be going 60 and it's literally just a tax on poor people
I recently got fined for doing 61 in a 50 zone, I was the only one on the road, and in a sports car that can go like 100 in second gear
FireRetardant
in reply to rabber • • •Victor Villas
in reply to rabber • • •If only we had real world data showing that there are several examples of speed cameras having a positive effect on driver behavior... Even if it was "just a cash grab", it's still a productive thing to do, as it can be used to fund the infrastructure changes of actually designing roads to their desired speeds.
lmao ok
FireRetardant
in reply to Victor Villas • • •rabber
in reply to Victor Villas • • •Victor Villas
in reply to rabber • • •rabber
in reply to Victor Villas • • •Driving a center waited sports car is a lot easier to handle, and especially stop, than say a pickup truck right
Also these speed limits were put in place when vehicles still had drum brakes haha
The road I was stopped on should be 70 imo
Bubbaonthebeach
in reply to Victor Villas • • •discomatic
in reply to rabber • • •apprehensively_human
in reply to rabber • • •You got that exactly right, but instead of advocating for that you've chosen instead to complain that the speed limits should be made higher.
Nik282000
in reply to rabber • • •Yeah! And heroine should be legal! Gun licensing is oppression!
ikidd
in reply to Davriellelouna • • •Calming measures work.
Speed cameras do not.
Spend money on calming measures but they won't because revenue, and the camera companies give the sweet, sweet perks to get the revenue sharing contracts.
Showroom7561
in reply to ikidd • • •Yes, they do. And NIMBYs hate them more than automated traffic cameras.
They have demonstrated to be effective in all the Canadian municipalities who have implemented them. Do you have evidence to suggest otherwise?
The problem is people don't like getting caught for breaking the law, so they either vandalize or petition against these cameras.
Alternatively, they could drive the posted speed limit and not run red lights. 💁♂️
Nik282000
in reply to ikidd • • •Found the BMW driver.
Adding narrow shoulders, speed bumps and plastic bollards to the center of roads all slow down traffic because they makes it difficult and uncomfortable to speed. They also drive all the assholes back to main streets instead of taking their big-brain shortcuts through residential areas.
Speed cameras reduce speeding on the main streets by costing you money. After your 3rd, 5th, or 15th automatic ticket you will eventually slow down. You can't narrow the ridiculous 4 lane city streets in Brampton to slow people down, you can't put speed bumps in an 80 zone, speed cameras are a cheap and easy to deploy method of convincing drivers to slow the fuck down.
FreshParsnip
in reply to Davriellelouna • • •SpaceCowboy
in reply to Davriellelouna • • •People are like children with their cars. If you were an adult you'd understand you're less likely to get into an accident when driving at lower speeds, and you'd want everyone else to drive slower so you wouldn't be holding up up traffic by driving safely.
But nah... vroom vroom I want car go fast! I'm perfect driver so those laws aren't for me!!! EVs suck because don't go vroom vroom! Waaaaahhhh!!!
It's that same as dealing with children.