Μηχανή #189 Δοκάρι λογικής, πουθενά
η τζούρα η μουντζούρα
και η βία του βίου
του Τσιμάρα Τζανάτου
‘Δοκάρι λογικής, πουθενά.’
στα όρια της λογικής
(με μπουκωμένη μύτη)
μηχανή #189
στο Κοινωνικό Ραδιόφωνο Χανίων
συμπαρασυρθείτε
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Γράφε το Μη με ύψιλον:
θέλει Μυ, θέλει μπράτσα η οριοθέτηση.
Το αγαπάω γράφε το, αγαφάω:
να ξέρει ο άλλος ότι θα φαγωθεί στο τέλος.
Το Θα, Θάλασσα:
για να μετράς με ναυτικά μίλια
όσα θα σου υποσχεθούν.
Προπάντων τα Όχι σου
να τα γράφεις με Ωμέγα:
να φαίνεται στο ΄Ωχι,
το Ωχ που κουβαλάει
κάθε μας άρνηση.
Στον πυρήνα της.
Τ. Τζανάτος, ‘Η Ορθογραφία των Εννοιών’
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Nanook
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in reply to TowardsTheFuture • • •Snot Flickerman
in reply to TowardsTheFuture • • •Is there a particular reason you need an nvidia gpu? Like plans to do local LLMs or other projects that really require a nvidia gpu?
Because I am just so pleased with AMD for gpus in Linux. So simple.
Not knocking your choice, just trying to understand it. Everyone has valid reasons for why they choose their setups.
Edit: nevermind I am so confused by the new naming schemes I thought this was an nvidia, others have informed me its an AMD. Nevermind me I am a dingus.
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TowardsTheFuture
in reply to Snot Flickerman • • •9070xt is an AMD… it’s just new… and I’ve seen a lot of posts saying you want kernel 6.13 or higher for it, and mint 22 is using 6.8. (And that you want mesa 25 but I don’t think getting that’s an issue?)
(I realize AMD changing their naming yet again makes that confusing.)
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thanksforallthefish
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in reply to thanksforallthefish • • •Lol at the downvotes, it's like 3 clicks. Not rocket science.
fosslinux.com/138008/how-to-in…
Mint deliberately uses an LTS kernel because it's primary value proposition is stability & simplicity but changing kernels is pretty safe.
How to install and try different Linux kernels in Linux Mint
Divya Kiran Kumar (FOSS Linux)TowardsTheFuture
in reply to thanksforallthefish • • •thanksforallthefish
in reply to TowardsTheFuture • • •I've put later kernels on Mint a half dozen times withno dramas, but whether you should depends on what your use case, preferences and skill are.
I personally wouldn't do the arse-ache that is an immutable system, but plenty here love their Bazzite it seems. Different strokes for different folks. Nothing wrong with that.
If you love Mint except for the kernel version then it's an easy fix. If you don't have deep feelings then either try & be ready to ditch, or pick an alternative.
Just for the record there is no "doing all that" about it. It's a simple couple of clicks. It couldnt be easier. I'm not sure where you got the idea it was difficult.
TowardsTheFuture
in reply to thanksforallthefish • • •pyssla
in reply to TowardsTheFuture • • •I get the impression you've been enticed/subjected to some confusing technical jargon without noticing. Please allow me to shed some light.
Stable can mean a bunch of different stuff that may or may not be closely related. In the case of Debian, it's the name of its default release; the one in which packages are frozen for two years except for security patches. (Note that this naming scheme is not unique to Debian.) As such, a Debian installation will be unchanging for these two years, earning its stable designation (which, to be clear, just meaning unchanging in this context). Finally, this unchanging environment should provide a ton of stability (i.e. stuff just works), which is also referred to as stable. These three distinct meanings of stable are probably the ones you'll come across the most.
The bold part is a clear demonstration that you understood stable to mean strictly robust; i.e. the third meaning discussed above. And to be clear, Fedora does a decent job at providing a reliable experience. (Bazzite even more so.) But not all three meanings of stable apply to it:
- For Fedora (and thus Bazzite by extension), the only stable repository is the one used to create its ISOs (i.e. the images used for installation). Beyond this, some packages are frozen within a release/version; e.g. you'll never get a major release update for GNOME unless you do a major release update for Fedora. But..., that's basically it; (almost) all other packages receive regular updates. As such, Fedora is often referred to as a semi-rolling release distro instead (as opposed to Debian being referred to as a stable release distro). So, to be clear, Fedora and Bazzite are NOT stable in this context.
- As (most of) its packages receive regular updates, it isn't unchanging either. And thus, NOT stable in this context as well.
- However, in terms of offering a robust/reliable experience, Fedora is pretty good. Bazzite is even better due to its atomicity^[That is, updates either happen successfully or not at all. So a random power outage (or otherwise) is not able to break the system's integrity.] and the superior distro-management allowed by the
bootcmodel.So, to answer your question, Fedora and Bazzite will not crash regularly. And, while Fedora might fall a little short of providing as robust of an experience as you might find on Debian and Linux Mint (assuming you won't FrankenDebian your installs), Bazzite may actually rival (and perhaps even eclipse/surpass) Debian and Linux Mint in this respect.
For your purposes, I agree that going for the Bazzite-route seems to be the easiest.
This is a nuanced discussion that probably deserves more attention, but I'll keep it short for the sake of brevity. In Bazzite's case, strictly-speaking, immutability refers to how most of
/usr's content isn't supposed to be changed deliberately by you. This is enforced by the system (in part) by making those files read-only.In practice, though, there's very little you actually can't do with the system:
- AFAIK, you're forced to use GRUB; which AFAIK is the most used bootloader anyways. Here's a thread discussing support for systemd-boot.
- No support for UKI at the moment. But progress on this has been accelerated (relatively) recently; .
- The situation around dkms/akmods still ain't great and leaves a lot to be desired; you're basically limited to the ones found here. Thankfully, this is something else that's actively being worked on.
- While installing from Fedora's repository through
bootc/rpm-ostreeis possible, it's actually discouraged in Bazzite's case. Thankfully, there's a plethora of different means to the same end. Furthermore, sysext have come a long way and might become our go-to eventually.systemd-boot support
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in reply to TowardsTheFuture • • •While (I think) you can install HWE (hardware enablement) kernels on Mint, you would also have to upgrade Mesa, which is not as easy on Mint.
Personally in this case, for a truly stable distro, I’d install Debian Stable and install a backports kernel and backports Mesa, which are both currently versions that should support RDNA4 GPUs like OPs just fine. This involves two simple steps after installing:
1. Enable the Debian Backports Repo (see backports.debian.org/Instructi…). It’s like, one file.
2. Install the packages with something like
sudo apt install -t bookworm-backports linux-image-amd64 mesa-va-driversand reboot.Before you take these steps, you probably won’t have hardware acceleration, but will still get video output so you can perform the steps and reboot.
This is definitely a weird suggestion, and other people’s suggestions might be less work out of the box. I just like Debian, and stability+backports+testing is part of what makes it possible for it to be my everything distro.
Instructions
backports.debian.orgTapionpoika
in reply to TowardsTheFuture • • •knfrmity
in reply to TowardsTheFuture • • •I just grabbed a 9060XT open box deal without thinking about driver support, I'm using Mint 22.1 as well. YMMV but I can't get any kernel besides 6.8 to boot, not even the Mint supported 6.11 HWE. Video output works but the drivers don't load and even scrolling down a webpage gives me screen tearing. I did get a more recent Mesa version with the kisak ppa but it hasn't helped. Can't even go above 60Hz refresh rate.
I tried Ubuntu 25.04 on a LiveUSB and it's basically plug and play and might have even automatically switched to the 144Hz monitor refresh rate.
I don't have a whole lot of time for getting a new distro set up right now. I will wait until Mint 22.2 (coming soon? with a newer kernel hopefully) and see how that goes.
absGeekNZ
in reply to TowardsTheFuture • • •I run mint 22.1 and have a 9070xt.
I used mainline to install kernel 6.14, works flawlessly.
Nanook
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