Linux for a Windows & Android person (Advice needed)
I need to install an OS for someone whose first impulse upon seeing a screen is to touch it, because they are young and their first assumption is a touchscreen.
They know their way around Windows and Windows is probably tought to them at school, so Windows might actually be the smart move…
but I fucking hate it.
Is ZorinOS or similar polished enough that I can leave it to someone whose tech literacy is centered around Roblox, TikTok and evading parental locks? I don't want to normalize the Windows-bullshit. But I don't want their first Linux-experience to be frustrating.
hendrik
in reply to Luccus • • •Uh, I don't have a good answer for that, but I'd give them something like Linux Mint anyways. That way they can look up stuff, watch tutorials and don't have a super niche thing running. Or give them one of the popular gaming distros, if it's that.
Idk. Gnome feels very much like Android to me. And KDE follows similar design patterns to Windows. And kids and teenagers tend to figure out all the things they want. If they have the motivation to do so.
Fecundpossum
in reply to Luccus • • •I’m hearing a lot of very poor advice in here, at least from my perspective as a Linux user who’s been through the gamut of various distros over the years.
Fedora atomic desktops are not beginner distros. That is not their purpose, and their limitations make many things a person may eventually want to do with their machine a lot more complicated.
Debian? Are we joking here? Debian is an amazing distro for what its purposes are, but it’s not beginner friendly. Debian is bare bones.
Linux Mint is the easiest answer here. Ubuntu LTS (or its classroom based fork edubuntu) is another great answer. I know every Linux user on the internet recoils in horror at the mention of Ubuntu but it really is a drop in plug and play solution for kids and old people.
Jiří Král
in reply to Fecundpossum • • •The only thing I still don't like much about recommending Linux Mint to beginners is that their Cinnamon desktop still uses Xorg which has some horrible display tearing on some Nvidia graphic cards (can be usually fixed with some tinkering and this is akso only my personal experience), which is usually not a thing with Wayland and being Xorg it also means it has inferior touchpad gestures (surely not as smooth as Gnome or KDE) which can be important for notebook users. While being very user friendly it is one of the more resource heavy DE's I would say even more than Gnome or KDE. It also seems to have some problems with battery life? The official Gnome and KDE desktop packages for Linux Mint are pretty outdated, are still Xorg versions and aren't officially supported AFAIK (maybe there are some good community maintained packages). Otherwise I agree it's one of the best choices.
My personal favorite for beginners is Fedora Workstation or KDE edition, because it's up to date and fairly stable (except the frequent kernel updates which sometime cause issues, but booting the older kernel is straightforward) and does not tinker much with packages defaults or push their products on you like Ubuntu.
Comparing LINUX DESKTOPS performance and resource usage (on the Slimbook Evo 14)
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in reply to Luccus • • •Ok, let me rephrase this:
Your kid is too young to understand the concept of a mouse, but they arent young enough to not use Tiktok, a Social media known for killing even young adults attention time. And for some reason they are thought how to use a PC? To a 5-7 year old?
That aside, I recommend using literally Any OS and just making a guest user excluded from the sudoers file. To install new Apps, just use flatpak at user level, and for roblox theres Sober
Luccus
in reply to Luffy • • •I would just like to say that I really appreciate everyone's contributions so far; even the little off-topic discussions.
But you are completely misjudging the situation. When I spoke of "first assumption", said they "know their way around Windows" and stated they found ways around prior parental locks, I was actually referring to the fact that "my kid" hasn't even been born yet. We've just slipped two iPads in, one with a YouTube-Kids Elsa Gate loop and the other constantly doom scrolling TikTok and Twitter.
I'm definitely not talking about someone who is a several years older than I was, when I got my first internet connected PC.
Sarcasm aside; they are more than old enough, according to their actual parents. They had a phone for quite some time; same for a Windows notebook. I just happen to have a better notebook laying around, but feel like Windows is sort of shit, and I need a little help with judging if Linux is the right call.
Luffy
in reply to Luccus • • •Luccus
in reply to Luffy • • •My guess is that if most things "just work", Linux may be fine. I mean, there's a whole second laptop available and I'm reachable most of the time. I just don't want to play support all the time.
I'm also not that worried about locking things down. The parents can't even lock down Windows properly and have resorted to restricting internet time via a router setting. It's MAC based, and I think if the kid figures out how to change MAC addresses, they deserve a little extra Roblox time until the parents notice.
At the moment I think I'll sit down with them and we'll set this thing up together. That way I can teach them a bit about the differences and show them cool things like ad blocking or Steam and see how they do by themselves … and then make my (hopefully final) decision.
thirtyfold8625
in reply to Luccus • • •My opinions are likely to be in accord with information found at privacyguides.org/en/desktop/ and privacyguides.org/en/android/d…
As an alternative to making decisions without direct assistance, you might benefit from contracting with another person to make decisions based on requirements you describe (essentially getting a chief information officer (CIO) for yourself). The main reason I'm suggesting this is that having more people involved will make it more likely that someone will know about established best practices relevant to your situation or that someone will have experience with a problem that is similar to the one you're dealing with. Additional reasons I could provide for this would be similar to the reasons people give to discourage someone from handling court appearances without a lawyer or doing surgery on themselves. You might be able to use ryf.fsf.org/categories/laptops to find information about how to contact people about your computing needs. Alternatively, you could visit a store (for example, one operated by Walmart).
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in reply to Luccus • • •You click on apps in a software store to install, it updates itself (without you noticing) on reboot, the terminal is entirely optional and almost entirely useless.
Mike
Unknown parent • • •I followed the path Mint>Fedora>openSUSE.
Wanna know my experience? I had issues daily with screen tearing on mint, even though I had the NVIDIA drivers they were probably too old on Mint for my graphics card. The desktop wouldn't load, I had errors on starting and on shutting down Mint. I spent more time troubleshooting Mint than working.
I said fuck it and decided to give fedora (actually Universal Blue's Aurora, which is atomic and fedora-based).
It was pure bliss.
Everything just worked out of the box to the point that I was confused as to why everything was working so well. The only thing I had to "learn" was how to use distrobox through BoxBuddy, which took a whopping 30 minutes of research or so.
Now I moved to OpenSUSE Tumbleweed and it feels like going back in time. I know my OS is not as secure due to not being atomic, I have to run the command line daily for updates, and the initial setting up would have been intimidating for a beginner. But at least it also hasn't given me problems yet, unlike what happened with Mint.
So IMO Mint should definitely not be recommended to beginners. The architecture of atomic distros is very familiar to anyone who has a smartphone today, which is practically everyone. You can go to the software store and download Flatpaks as seamlessly as you do on the Google Play or Apple Store. You can even change the apps Permitions using Flatseal. And best of all, you get an OS that is secure, which traditional Linux distros aren't due to every app having root access by default.
I haven't done it yet, but when my wife wants to change her laptop, I'll 100% install a self-maintaining atomic distro for her.
harl3k1n
in reply to Luccus • • •Home - blendOS
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Unknown parent • • •Mike
Unknown parent • • •In traditional distros, apps dependencies are mixed with system files. In atomic distros you use flatpaks which are containerized and don't see system files.
This is what I mean. I understand you can also install Flatpaks in traditional distros, but most people don't install only flatpaks.
crater2150
in reply to Mike • • •What? Which distro runs everything as root by default?
Mike
in reply to crater2150 • • •It's not my opinion. The distribution architect at SUSE said so in reference to RPMs. I imagine it isn't much different for other non-containerized file types.
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