I would love to be excited for season 2 of Sandman. I really loved season 1.
But I *cannot* deal with Neil Gaiman's shit.
I think it's almost easier to deal with a Lovecraft type, where you know you just need to grab whatever good bits are left after cropping out the racist bullshit. Gaiman's "progressive" messaging in his work makes it harder to deal with (even putting aside the additional complication that he's still alive to profit).
Artemis
in reply to Artemis • • •The parts of Gaiman's work that are most uncomfortable are the parts that on a surface-level appear to be "good". Knowing the lie, knowing that he uses power to sexually manipulate and control people, I cannot trust any of his work that ostensibly opposes that sort of behavior.
You can pillage the creativity of assholes like Lovecraft because you know any clever ideas they contain deserve better than languishing in bigoted literature. But what do you do when the work is supposed to be "good"?
Artemis
in reply to Artemis • • •Gaiman was such a disappointment.
I wasn't exactly shocked...like, after hearing the allegations, I definitely went "ohhh...that makes sense".
But it *sucks*. I loved Sandman the show and then because of the show I also loved the comics.
I don't think I will ever watch that show or read those comics again. Because it is *gross* seeing that—on the page—Gaiman is saying "the right things" and understanding that was his cover, his excuse.
Violet Madder
in reply to Artemis • • •It totally changes the whole experience of his work, for me.
Writing about dark abusive stuff when you're a genuinely good person grappling with the horrors of the world is one thing... Writing about dark abusive stuff when you get off on actually doing it and apparently view it as a part of yourself that you can't or won't stop, turns the whole perspective sideways. Makes me feel like I'm covered in ants.
I can't listen to Marilyn Manson at all either since I found out he's actually a rapist, sucks all the fun right out of every damned breath of it. Ugh.
Why do people have to be such assholes?
Moss Wizard
in reply to Violet Madder • • •Artemis
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in reply to Artemis • • •You library doubtless also has them. Then you don't have to keep them in your house.
Years ago my SIL needlpoineted my daughter his "Monsters can be beaten" quote and I really want my wife who took up needlepoint to add "(Turns out he was a monster)".
Artemis
in reply to Artemis • • •I wasn't crazy about the film A Wounded Fawn (it was good but not great), but the bit where Bruce insists it was a different part of him that did all the brutality resembles something I see in assholes like Gaiman.
It looks to me like Gaiman is one of those guys who lies to himself about the abuse he commits & some part of him "believes" it's consensual, even though he is clearly getting off on the fact that it's not. Like, he believes his own hype & compartmentalizes the violence & abuse.
BenderIsGreat34
in reply to Artemis • • •A Flock of Beagles
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s/turn out to be/already were
yet more reasons why i hate that show, but these ones tell me what kind of shit-brained chuds are in charge of the whole thing in the first place.
Jenica
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