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Après avoir détruit et occupé le seul hôpital de cancérologie de #gaza , les soldats d’occupation israéliens ont écrit sur son mur « Mort aux Arabes »…
Maintenant, ils crient et hurlent que l’hôpital militaire soroka est pris comme cible
I'm getting 'operation not permitted' errors with Syncthing Fork and a few other issues, can anyone help?
Several different, random seeming files across various different Syncthing folders keep failing to sync even after restart, rescan, and reconfiguration, with the below error
syncing: finishing: opening temp file: open /storage/emulated/0/Pictures/Webcam/.syncthing.2024-07-1621:42:30.jpg.tmp: operation not permitted
I don't how how to fix it, the desktop app has the required permissions, and the Android app has as many storage permissions as I can give it under Android's horrible SAF limitations.
It seemed to used to be happening only to some specific old files, but now it's happening to all the new files I add onto my laptop under Videos or Music.
In addition, when trying to sync files with a specific server, it shows as disconnected, even when both are online and connected to the LAN (my phone via WiFi, the server via Ethernet), and there is some error about encryption expectations
2025-06-20 23:33:38: Failure checking encryption consistency with device server for folder "Music" (8ipwu-ehye4): remote expects to exchange encrypted data, but is configured for plain data
The server is running Syncthing GUI on Fedora GNOME, same as the laptop (which does work besides for the first issue), so I don't know what the difference is that would be causing this, not a single file has been synced to the server.
This is honestly making me want to get a Fairphone 5 with Ubuntu touch to get rid of these issues, but I can't do that now.
If anyone could advise, I would really appreciate it!
I'm getting 'operation not permitted' errors with Syncthing Fork and a few other issues, can anyone help?
cross-posted from: sh.itjust.works/post/40624933
Several different, random seeming files across various different Syncthing folders keep failing to sync even after restart, rescan, and reconfiguration, with the below error
syncing: finishing: opening temp file: open /storage/emulated/0/Pictures/Webcam/.syncthing.2024-07-1621:42:30.jpg.tmp: operation not permittedI don't how how to fix it, the desktop app has the required permissions, and the Android app has as many storage permissions as I can give it under Android's horrible SAF limitations.
It seemed to used to be happening only to some specific old files, but now it's happening to all the new files I add onto my laptop under Videos or Music.
In addition, when trying to sync files with a specific server, it shows as disconnected, even when both are online and connected to the LAN (my phone via WiFi, the server via Ethernet), and there is some error about encryption expectations
2025-06-20 23:33:38: Failure checking encryption consistency with device server for folder "Music" (8ipwu-ehye4): remote expects to exchange encrypted data, but is configured for plain dataThe server is running Syncthing GUI on Fedora GNOME, same as the laptop (which does work besides for the first issue), so I don't know what the difference is that would be causing this, not a single file has been synced to the server.
This is honestly making me want to get a Fairphone 5 with Ubuntu touch to get rid of these issues, but I can't do that now.
If anyone could advise, I would really appreciate it!
Après avoir détruit et occupé le seul hôpital de cancérologie de #gaza , les soldats d'occupation israéliens ont écrit sur son mur « Mort aux Arabes »...
Maintenant, ils crient et hurlent que l'hôpital militaire soroka est pris comme cible
The War on Iran Has Been Long in the Making, and the U.S. Is Already a Party to It - CovertAction Magazine
Precipitated by Israel’s deadly bombing operations that have killed top military commanders and nuclear scientists, the U.S. is poised to attack Iran as part of a long-held goal of orchestrating a regime change there. The U.Daniel Kovalik (CovertAction Magazine)
Elon Musk's robotaxi will have a human driver for 'safety' reasons
Elon Musk's robotaxi will have a human driver for 'safety' reasons
As the tentative launch date for Tesla's Robotaxi service approaches, more details are emerging, including the presence of a human safety driver and other key aspects.David Uzondu (Neowin)
So it's a taxi.
Motherfucker loves trying to reinvent the wheel only to end up at the goddamn wheel.
"I'ma invent a giant system that goes underground so we can move people around faster!" That's a subway, you santorum-covered condom.
Operation Narnia: Iran’s nuclear scientists reportedly killed simultaneously using special weapon
The nuclear scientists were killed using a special weapon whose details were barred from publication, Channel 12 says.The 10th nuclear scientist was killed shortly after the other nine, as part of the overnight Thursday-Friday Israeli operation, which included strikes on Iran’s ballistic missile program and the Natanz nuclear site, along with the elimination of top members of the Islamic Republic’s military leadership, the network says.
The nuclear scientists were all killed while they were sleeping in their beds, with Israel deciding to carry out the assassinations simultaneously so that there wouldn’t be time to tip off those being targeted.
The scientists apparently believed they were safe from such targeting in their homes, a senior Israeli official tells Channel 12, noting that previously assassinated nuclear scientists were killed while heading to their cars after work.
Israel had been tracking Iranian nuclear scientists for years and the ten killed last week were marked for assassination in November of last year, Channel 12 says.
Just when I feel like dystopian news can't really disturb me anymore...
Leaving this totally unrelated article about Palantir and Israel here for absolutely no reason at all...
How Israel Uses AI in Gaza—And What It Might Mean for the Future of Warfare:
A program known as “The Gospel” generates suggestions for buildings and structures militants may be operating in. “Lavender” is programmed to identify suspected members of Hamas and other armed groups for assassination, from commanders all the way down to foot soldiers. “Where’s Daddy?” reportedly follows their movements by tracking their phones in order to target them—often to their homes, where their presence is regarded as confirmation of their identity. The air strike that follows might kill everyone in the target's family, if not everyone in the apartment building.Abraham, whose report relies on conversations with six Israeli intelligence officers with first-hand experience in Gaza operations after Oct. 7, quoted targeting officers as saying they found themselves deferring to the Lavender program, despite knowing that it produces incorrect targeting suggestions in roughly 10% of cases.
How Israel Uses AI in Gaza—And What It Might Mean for the Future of Warfare
Israeli officers reported that they sometimes defer to programs that suggest bombing targets.Yasmeen Serhan (Time)
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Only 16% of Americans think going to war against Iran is a good idea, but the Democrats still won’t come out against it.
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Roaming Charges: Neo-Conned Again! - CounterPunch.org
Using Israel's logic for attacking Iran (to protect itself from (non-existent) Iranian nuclear weapons), every country in the Middle East (and beyond) would be justified in attacking Israel and destroying its (still undeclared) arsenal of 90 nuclear …Jeffrey St. Clair (CounterPunch.org)
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Iran missile attacks shake Israel, with Jon Elmer
Jon Elmer, contributing editor, reports on the first week of the war with Iran launched by Israel on the morning of 13 June 2025. Your gift supports The Elec...YouTube
Iranians in the U.S. worry over Israel conflict — and Iran’s future
https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2025/06/20/iran-america-diaspora-israel/?utm_source=flipboard&utm_medium=activitypub
Posted into National @national-WashPost
Nina Kuscsik, who helped open the marathon to women, dies at 86
https://www.washingtonpost.com/obituaries/2025/06/20/nina-kuscsik-dead-marathon/?utm_source=flipboard&utm_medium=activitypub
Posted into Sports @sports-WashPost
"I don't blame anyone for his death except Russia," the wife of actor Yurii Felipenko, killed
"I don't blame anyone for his death except Russia," the wife of actor Yurii Felipenko, killed while defending Ukraine by UNITED24MediaEUROPE SAYS
MAGA is split over Israel and Iran. Which way will Trump go?
https://www.aljazeera.com/video/the-take-2/2025/6/20/aje-onl-usa_iranmagadivide_av_v2-200625?utm_source=flipboard&utm_medium=activitypub
Posted into Middle East News @middle-east-news-AlJazeera
MAGA is split over Israel and Iran. Which way will Trump go?
Could a US strike against Iran threaten support for President Donald Trump?Al Jazeera
NC Rep EXPOSED after sharing photo calling for beheading of Trump
The list of Democrats and far-left actors making calls for violence against President Trump seems to grow larger by the day.www.libsoftiktok.com
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Venezuelan President Nicolas Maduro Condemns Israeli Attacks and Calls for Global Peace and Denuclearization - teleSUR English
Venezuelan President Nicolas Maduro denounces Israeli aggression against Middle Eastern nations, praises Iran’s legitimate defense, and urges global leadersteleSURenglish
#gaza #genocide
#IsraelTerroristState
@palestine
Let's not forget Gaza. I read this and have no words. Just need to share..
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Gaza Newborns at Risk of Death Within 48 Hours Due to Israeli Blockade, Doctor Warns
Gaza (Quds News Network)- Premature and newborn babies in Gaza could die within 48 hours due to a critical shortage of baby formula and therapeutic milk amid Israel’s months-long blockade on humanitarEditing Team (Quds News Network)
Rolling the ladder up behind us
Link: xeiaso.net/blog/2025/rolling-l…
Discussion: news.ycombinator.com/item?id=4…
Rolling the ladder up behind us
Who will take over for us if we don't train the next generation to replace us? A critique of craft, AI, and the legacy of human expertise.xeiaso.net
Iran used under 5% of its latent capacity against 'Israel': Rezaei
The Iranian official reveals that his country will soon unveil new missile capabilities.Al Mayadeen English (Iran used under 5% of its latent capacity against 'Israel': Rezaei)
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HOLY SMOKES
Arslan Akhtar, a US State Dept. Visa Specialist, ADMITTED on hidden camera to @okeefemedia to helping illegal aliens exploit loopholes
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UPDATE: Jonathon Bohn is facing charges for felony threats of violence
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Meet Connecticut State Rep. Anthony Nolan (D)
Anthony posted a picture of "No Kings" protestors displaying an "8647" poster.
This is a call to violence against President Trump @fbi
He knew exactly what he was sharing.
.@RepNolanCT39th should RESIGN or be expelled. Sharing a photo calling for the assassination of Trump is unacceptable.
H/t @CTCentinal
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Imagine level of indoctrination &/ ignorance required to say:
A Jewish group calling itself Jewish group, supported by overwhelming majority in Jewish community
To be declared to not be a Jewish group by both Jews & non-Jews on Left, rather we are told they so called "Zionists"
This willful self-lobotomy is only possible thanks to nonsense peddled via "antisemitism" framework & swallowed uncritically—hook, line & sinker—by many on Left.
This sort of non-sense is peddled only to deny the Jewish group responsibility for what Jews as a group did & have done for generations now in the context of Palestine & whole of West Asia
Thanks to that worthless/junk certificate called "antisemite"(Its Jews who made it junk certificate by packaging Jewish supremacy thru "antisemitism" framework), most are willing to accept most ridiculous definitions just not be called "antisemite".
People are shit scared to not be given the junk certificate i.e so called "antisemite", they try telling everyone
I'm not an "antisemite"
(or)
<speaking about this massive reality is not "antisemitism"> but <speaking about that massive reality is "antisemitism"> ⇒Them trying to carefully tap dance around the ideological mines placed for them there by "antisemitism" framework
I see this all the time & its funny to see people do the dance.
After these past 20 months and being wrongly accused of being an "antisemite" more times than I can count in an effort to shut me up, now I fucking welcome the charge.
Bring it the fuck on!
Being an anti-Zionist is not being antisemitic.
Wanting the Country of Israel to be destroyed and given back to Palestine does not make me antisemitic. (Unlike an Israeli, I don't want any harm to come to innocent Israeli citizens that don't support the #genocide).
But Israeli's love to throw that word around just like they've done for 50+ years thinking it still carries the same weight.
And maybe it would still.
If #Israel hadn't started their own fucking #holocaust and brought #Palestinians to the table.
They dont want the junk label "antisemite" applied to them. So,they do all the song & dance around defining what "real antisemitism" is
The thing most people dont realise is this. Those definitions are created to make you dance around like that. They exist to preemptively force you to watch your every step(unlike you do for other groups), so, when you eventually step on a mine thats placed for you, you will be given junk label "antisemite".
"Antisemitism" framework is not like the others. Its closer to "reverse racism" white supremacy framework
All victims of homophobia, transphobia,racism,sexism are weaker segments of society
They as a group arent responsible for genocides & ethnic cleansings. We dont need volumes to know whats unjust discrimination
Western Jews are a privileged minority for a long time.They enjoy racial, economic, institutional privileges in West.
How to Design Programs 2nd Ed (2024)
Link: htdp.org
Discussion: news.ycombinator.com/item?id=4…
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BREAKING UPDATE
Minnesota lobbyist and Democrat donor Jonathan Michael Bohn, has now been charged with felony threats of violence.
Some of the messages he reportedly sent include:
"Today I bought 500 bullets. I can’t wait to shoot one of you motherfu**ers in the face.”
“Excited to have my gun at the Capitol and blow somebody’s fu**ing face off.”
h/t @CrimeWatchMpls
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Meet Stephen Ivain, the Democrat mayoral candidate for Torrington, CT.
Stephen posted a picture of himself alongside a "No Kings" protestor displaying an "8647" poster.
This is a call to violence against President Trump @fbi
Democrats are brazenly and openly calling to ass*ssinate Trump.
This must STOP. It will end when there are charges.
H/t @CTCentinal
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The Western NATO doctrine has proven ineffective in modern conditions - this is one of the reasons for Ukraine’s failure on the battlefield.
The “Air Land Battle” concept developed for the Cold War does not work against an enemy that has artillery with a range of 70 km and drones flying deep into the rear.
NATO countries are stuck in the past and failed to adaptat with Russia outplaying them both tactically and technologically.
responsiblestatecraft.org/coal…
How NATO military doctrine failed Ukraine on the battlefield
This will also doom the ‘Coalition of the Willing’ — in part because these forces were trained to wage the Cold War, and Russia has evolvedAlex Vershinin (Responsible Statecraft)
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WOW. The Simsbury, CT Democrats made an official statement calling for "8647"
Democrats are proudly and openly calling for the ass*ssination of President Trump. @FBI
This is abhorrent.
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Honda successfully launches and lands reusable rocket
Honda is making its ambitions in space travel clear. In a first step, the company demonstrates the launch and landing of a reusable rocket.
Klong: A Simple Array Language
Link: t3x.org/klong/
Discussion: news.ycombinator.com/item?id=4…
Yemeni masses back Iran’s retaliation against US-Israeli aggression
SANAA, June 20 (YPA) -Millions of the Yemenis on Friday took to streets of the Yemeni capital, Sana'a and many other cities in mass rallies under the banner of “Standing Firm with #Gaza and #Iran Against Zionist-US Crimes.”The crowds affirmed the Yemعماد (Yemen Press Agency)
Encontro Nacional “Soberania Já” reunirá militantes do software livre e ativistas contra a aliança entre big techs e extrema direita
Os problemas das eleições de 2026
folhademocrata.com.br/noticia/…
#SoberaniaJA #SoberaniaDigital
Encontro Nacional “Soberania Já” reunirá militantes do software livre e ativistas contra a aliança entre big techs e extrema direita
Texto originalmente publicado no jornal GGN com o título "A Tribo Está de Pé: Soberania Já! Por Reynaldo Aragon e Uirá Porã". Confira. Em resposta ao...Folha (Folha Democrata)
The entire “two weeks” narrative being pushed by Western media appears to be just another smokescreen.
The attack will likely take place as soon as all necessary assets are positioned. Equipment is still being moved, and certain personnel evacuation measures remain in progress.
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#iran
Diplomacy's "last shot" to de-escalate Israel-Iran conflict
There's a narrow window to bring the Israel-Iran conflict to an end before President Trump decides whether to involve the U.S. in the Israeli offensive.Margaret Brennan (CBS News)
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Lapsus révélateur… Et je suis certain qu’elle le pense vraiment, tout le monde le pense, même les sionistes eux-mêmes !
Ce n’est pas elle, d’ailleurs, qui avait levé la main de la honte pour poser un véto ?
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8658; Feindliche Medien: Iranische Raketen schlagen tief in Israel ein … Dutzende Verletzte
8658; Filmproduzent bei SPIEF 2025: "Wir sollen miteinander Handel treiben, uns miteinander austauschen"
8658; Armenien: Internationale Gemeinschaft fordert Ende der politischen Verfolgung
Filmproduzent bei SPIEF 2025: "Wir sollen miteinander Handel treiben, uns miteinander austauschen"
Im Rahmen des Internationalen Wirtschaftsforums haben wir mit dem Filmproduzenten Thomas Ebner gesprochen.RT DE (RT)
Belarus, Hungary seek closer cooperation in nuclear energy
Belarusian Energy Minister Denis Moroz held a meeting with Hungarian Minister of Foreign Affairs and Trade Péter Szijjártó on the sidelines of the St. Petersburg International Economic Forum on 19 June.Belarusian Telegraph Agency
🇮🇱 Israël
🔴 TROLLS 🔴
🔹️Des israéliens 🇮🇱 créent des comptes prétendant être Marocains 🇲🇦, Algériens 🇩🇿, Tunisiens 🇹🇳 pour semer la zizanie dans la communauté magrebiene.
🔹️Ils utilisent aussi des comptes 🇸🇳 🇲🇱 🇨🇲 🇨🇩 🇨🇬 afin d'insulter les Maghrébins, et vice-versa.
#Trolls
Les rois de la manipulation 🎬
It's True: The Jaws Shark Is Public Domain
Link: ironicsans.ghost.io/how-the-ja…
Discussion: news.ycombinator.com/item?id=4…
It’s True: The JAWS Shark is Public Domain
A story with legal drama, a mystery, snow leopards, and, uh, naughty bits.David Friedman (Ironic Sans)
UPDATE: Police Arrest Man Accused of Running Jewish Congressman Off Road While Waving Palestinian Flag...
Police Arrest Man Accused of Running Jewish Congressman Off Road While Waving Palestinian Flag, Making Threats
Police in Rocky River, Ohio, a Cleveland suburb, announced on Friday they had arrested a man accused of running Rep. Max Miller (R-OH) off the road and making antisemitic threats.Sarah Rumpf (Mediaite)
Tribute to a Vietnam War Marine By: Capt James P Coan
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Exec Editor’s note: The following article received 2nd place in the 2024 Leatherneck Magazine Writing Contest. The award is provided through an endowment by the Col Charles E Michaels Foundation and is being given in memory of Colonel William E. Barber, USMC, who fought on Iwo Jima during World War II, and was the recipient of the Medal of Honor for his actions at the Battle of Chosin Reservoir during the Korean War.
Tribute to a Vietnam War Marine - Marine Corps Association
From 1967 to 1969, U.S. Marines defended Con Thien near the Vietnam DMZ, with 1,400 killed and over 9,000 wounded.Marine Corps Association
Some rare good news: #MahmoudKhalil is free!
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Mahmoud Khalil ordered released by federal judge
Mahmoud Khalil was arrested by ICE agents in New York City in March.Armando Garcia (ABC News)
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Europe needs a revolution of common sense. And it starts in Hungary
A revolution of common sense is starting in Budapest. In a multipolar world, Europe needs to become internally multipolar or risk falling apart. Join us…Strategic Culture Foundation
This time, the lie is more elaborate, and it's been building up for decades. But it's still a lie that is convincing people to participate in a war of aggression that will have terrible consequences.
#Iran 2025 Is Iraq 2003 Redux
Watch on Substack: open.substack.com/pub/mitchell…
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It Has Come to Protein Iced Tea
Americans are taking their obsession with supplements to new extremes.Lila Shroff (The Atlantic)
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People who had COVID at anytime & recovered (no persistent symptoms that started with acute #COVID) are sought for $4m CDC-funded study. These ME/CFS-aware researchers want to compare #longCovid to ME/CFS but need controls
Survey link:
redcap.nova.edu/redcap/surveys….
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#MEcfs @mecfs @longcovid #PASC #PwLC #postcovid #postcovid19 #LC #PostCovidSyndrome #COVIDBrain #NeuroPASC @covid19 #Coronavirus #COVID19 #COVID #COVIDー19 #SARSCoV2 @novid@chirp.social #novid @novid@a.gup.pe #CovidIsNotOver
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Rapunzel Wasn’t Simply in a Castle; It’s a Psychiatric Syndrome
Remember the maiden told to “let down your hair” so the prince could climb up to reach her? Yup, there’s more to that. The girl with the long hair from the Grimm Brothers’ 1812 fairy tale inspired…Dr. Patricia Farrell (BeingWell)
Japan scraps US meeting after Washington demands more defence spending
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Japan scraps US meeting after Washington demands more defence spending
Allies’ top defence and foreign policy officials were due to hold talks on July 1Demetri Sevastopulo (Financial Times)
Why Washington Targets Iran and Venezuela: Empire, Energy, and Ideology
By Roger D. Harris - Jun 19, 2025Venezuela and Iran hold the largest and third-largest petroleum reserves in the world, respectively. Both have also been targeted for regime change by Washington. The two commonalities are not unrelated.Orinoco Tribune - News and opinion pieces about Venezuela and beyond
#Iran hacking Israeli #CCTV; officials say #Tehran refining strikes with footage — how cameras become #war #weapon
Source: timesofindia.indiatimes.com/wo…
Iran is reportedly hacking into private #security #cameras inside #Israel to see where its #missiles have landed and improve targeting in real time.
#warfare #cybersecurity #video #camera #tracking #surveillance #hack #hacker #news
Iran hacking Israeli CCTV; officials say Tehran refining strikes with footage — how cameras become war weapon
Middle East News: Iran is reportedly hacking into Israeli security cameras to monitor missile strikes and refine targeting. These breaches expose vulnerabilities in eveTOI World Desk (Times of India)
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Stunning map shows the lengths pilots go through to avoid conflict zones
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/iran-israel-flight-map-conflict-zone-b2774192.html?utm_source=flipboard&utm_medium=activitypub
Posted into Israel-Iran Conflict @israel-iran-conflict-Independent
Stunning map shows the lengths pilots are having to go through to avoid conflict zones
As the Russia-Ukraine war rages on and the Israel-Iran conflict intensifies, the world has become more chaotic, and so has its airspaceRachel Dobkin (The Independent)
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Portland’s last Orange Julius is closing after 42 years at Lloyd Center
Owner Bob Slayton, a former ice skating barrel jumper who once managed the Lloyd Center ice rink, died last month at age 82.Samantha Swindler | The Oregonian/OregonLive (oregonlive)
Donald Trump has set a two-week deadline to decide whether to enter Israel’s war on Iran. He is facing strong pressure both for and against attacking. If he does, it will be the most catastrophic U.S. foreign policy decision since Iraq 20 years ago.
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in reply to LandedGentry • • •I lost my door as a child several times but it was always for slamming it when I was upset.
In hindsight I feel it was reasonable but it's all in how it's done. I'd lose it for a couple days to a week at most and only after being warned.
For me it was also pre-puberty/young adult years, when I was 8-10 years old.
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in reply to LandedGentry • • •If "my parents did it to me and I turned out fine" was your takeaway from my comment then I failed to communicate my point or you misunderstood, or both. It was more that context and circumstances also need to be considered. I did turn out ok, I think, but that's because of a lot of work I put in during my adulthood to really work on my growth and reflect on my behavior continuously to learn and grow.
As a difficult child who did not handle their emotions well I would slam my door when I got upset and was warned repeatedly not to or I would lose it. Then when I didn't listen and slammed it anyway I would suffer the consequences of my actions but only for a short period. It was fundamentally no different than having a toy or privilege taken away.
My parents also spanked me but I would never do that if I had children because I know it doesn't work. My parents did make mistakes and they, my mom at least directly, have acknowledged that and voiced their regret.
In OPs example it's out of line to take a door away because they are 16 years old and don't seem to be using it as an appropriate consequence for the child's actions. As an 8-10 year old child who also put their foot through a wall twice in the same spot, threw a ping pong paddle at their brother so hard it put a hole in the wall, and would slam the door so hard it would shake pictures on the wall being warned of the consequence of my continued misbehavior and then facing those consequences was, in my opinion, appropriate. I learned not to slam my door and to control my emotions and express them in a more healthy and less destructive way.
I'm sure there are other, some maybe better, techniques however we all learn from the mistakes of our parents so we can screw our children up in new and unique ways while avoiding what they did.
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LilB0kChoy
in reply to LandedGentry • • •Just because it doesn't make sense to you doesn't mean it's not a sensible idea.
The same behavioral experts I was taken to by my parents? The ones who helped them implement a "family contract" that resulted in one of the most miserable parts of my childhood? The "family contract" that made me resent my parents for many years?
Maybe, just maybe, behavioral health experts are a reflection of the times and their society and because it's fallen out of favor doesn't mean it's bad or doesn't work, just that it's not accepted practice any longer.
Unlike you I didn't make a statement of fact without supporting evidence. I offered up my own, personal, direct experience and how it affected me along with my opinion that context and situation should be a consideration.
I laugh if you think taking away video games or no tv would have worked to stop me from slamming the door. Unsurprisingly, of all the things my parents tried, removing the door so I couldn't slam it was the effective solution.
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LilB0kChoy
in reply to LandedGentry • • •You have nothing if you don't provide sources besides a claim that you've made. I've seen studies too and everyone I've seen specifically references teenagers. There's also studies that say "taking something away" doesn't work, yet you do that by taking away video games.
Taking things away from our kids to help them change their behaviour often looks like taking away privileges, toys, or activities. There are a few reasons why “taking things away” is an ineffective method of discipline.
You'll notice this article cites their sources.
Why Spanking And Taking Things Away Isn't Effective | Nurtured First
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LilB0kChoy
in reply to LandedGentry • • •Twice you've avoided sourcing your claims. Why should any third party reading this thread believe what you say? Why should I?
So you don't believe the studies that show your method is ineffective but you do believe the ones you continue to avoid sourcing?
Taking things away from our kids to help them change their behaviour often looks like taking away privileges, toys, or activities. There are a few reasons why “taking things away” is an ineffective method of discipline.
You made a claim of fact and yet refuse to source it so why should I believe some random stranger that their "sources" exist?
In fact, you do the exact thing you're against in a different way. Sure, you don't take your child's door; instead you take something else
I'd love to see your "sources" that state taking a door away from an 8-10 year old is "shattering their trust".
Edit: of course you downvote, still without providing sources.
Why Spanking And Taking Things Away Isn't Effective | Nurtured First
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LandedGentry
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LilB0kChoy
in reply to LandedGentry • • •That's three times you've now avoided providing your "sources".
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LilB0kChoy
in reply to LandedGentry • • •Four times you've avoided providing your "sources".
Votes are public on Lemmy. That's how I know you went back and downvoted every one of my comments on this post after I called you out for downvoting my one comment.
You started to deflect and refuse to source your claims after I pointed out your hypocrisy and continue to do so.
You could backup your original claims by posting supporting sources, or you could have phrased your original comment as your opinion, which it seems clear now it was.
Mr_D_Umbguy
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in reply to Mr_D_Umbguy • • •Maybe, but I don't think the sources exist. Certainly not specific to the situation I described in my anecdote.
I'd love to read them if they're real but I pose this question to you:
If they've read these studies why would the still use a punishment method on their child that's been proven ineffective through those same studies?
I know that current methodology is to use positive reinforcement and feedback methods to deal with children's behavioral issues, why don't they?
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Ogmios
in reply to Frenchfryenjoyer (she/her) • • •That is one of the most obvious trolls I've ever seen.
Pay attention to the "voices" people use. Someone who actually does something like that is highly unlikely to frame it in such a way. They chose their words very specifically to elicit a desired emotion in the reader.
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