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in reply to Capitanmaroon • • •pirat
in reply to Jeena • • •Not too long ago I broke down a the costs between Ableton and bitwig, and they are quite similar over time.
Ableton has the big #'rd updates where as bitwig you get all updates within a year from license activation.
Since BW will still run after the license runs out (you just cant update to any new versions) I don't always update until there is a new feature that I want to work with drops in an update.
I also limit purchasing licenses to sale periods as a license can sit on the shelf until you're ready to activate it - this significantly reduced the cost for me.
I think there are other ways to go about this though on the vast sea of the net if your sails catch the wind right ;). If you're making stuff for fun and not for profit I think everyone should have access to creative tools.
If you make money than it's worth considering sending some. money their way. ¯_(ツ)_/¯
Narri N. (they/them)
in reply to Capitanmaroon • • •I haven't personally used Ableton ever but am a hobbying musician, and pro-audio is possible on Linux as well as running non-native applications via Wine. I found this just searching, there's apparently a Discord group also dedicated to this project.
Usually doing a web search like "xyz windows program+linux" will produce results, and putting in your distro name will produce better. Anyway, good luck on your journey!
GitHub - BEEFY-JOE/AbletonLiveOnLinux: A Repository for All Things Related to Running Ableton Live on Linux, part of the newly formed Ableton on Linux Discord Group.
GitHubwildflower
in reply to Capitanmaroon • • •There are a couple of solutions, I'm using Ardour myself, but LMMS might be more like Ableton
There is a more or less complete list here: wiki.linuxaudio.org/apps/daw_a…
DAW [Linux-Sound]
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in reply to Capitanmaroon • • •Dual booting is a hassle but afaik it's the least difficult way to go.
Oikio
in reply to Capitanmaroon • • •I am a hobbyist and was using ableton live before. As mentioned by others, unless you dual boot - try bitwig studio for similar experience. It is from people who worked in ableton. Have a trial, pirate if can't afford now.
Foss alternative - ardour is great, but you will have to bring your own plug in suit.
Yabridge tool can help you to run windows vsts on Linux, but not everything works. And beware - it does not work with flatpak version Bitwig, at least it did not.
Unpigged
in reply to Capitanmaroon • • •I've heard that Ableton+wine works, not sure about all the plugins though.
There's also lmms, ardour, Bitwig and reaper with native Linux builds
Lemmchen
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in reply to Capitanmaroon • • •ProdigalFrog
in reply to Capitanmaroon • • •According to WineHQ, Ableton's compatibility with wine isn't stellar. FL Studio works quite well in it, but switching DAWs can be a pretty major undertaking.
For Linux native DAWs, Reaper and Bitwig are the two best options. Reaper is the most affordable at 60 bucks, with an infinite free trial.
doleo
in reply to Capitanmaroon • • •To be honest, this was the dealbreaker that kept me using a Mac.
a1studmuffin
in reply to Capitanmaroon • • •9point6
in reply to a1studmuffin • • •I assume this is coming at some point, tbh
I personally reckon they're working on something YAbridge-esque to allow people to bring their VSTs to the push in standalone mode. If they can actually nail that, it's an absolute no brainer to then release a full Linux version of the DAW and finally allow people like me to make the switch
Every time I've tried to run Ableton on Linux over the years (most recently about Christmas last year), it's the VST support that lets me down. I've got hundreds of VSTs I've used in various projects over the past couple of decades and I can't switch unless I know they all work properly—projects not loading or sounding different is unacceptable. I need to be able to open anything I've worked on over the years and be able to get right into the creativity without tinkering, as that is what I already have today.
Until that day, I've got to begrudgingly keep windows around.
a1studmuffin
in reply to 9point6 • • •Wappen
in reply to Capitanmaroon • • •I can greatly recommend Reaper to you, in case Ableton + Wine doesn't work out.
I only recently got into music making as a hobby so my overall perspective might be limited, but other DAWs I tried included:
* Ardour
* Bitwig
* LMMS
* Zrythm
I settled with Reaper bc of it's customizability, freedom in workflow and cheap price without compromising in pro features. It's actually completely free as long as you are evaluating buying it, which is up to you for how long. And the customizability is off the charts compared to any other DAW.
But what really sold Reaper to me was the lack of hurdles that got into my way of learning to make music.
Have fun
pirat
in reply to Capitanmaroon • • •Someone in here mentioned bitwig.
I started on abelton and moved to bitwig around 3.X and have been with it ever since.
I love all the different modules and the grid which has give me a lot more expressive control over my sounds.
they are similar yet different; I believe the core bitwig team were ex ableton devs who wanted to take things in a different direction.
I know it's silly but one of the biggest things that I like about bitwig is customizable shortcuts; this is especially good if you're coming from ableton because if your a shortcut key wizard you can easily remap similar functions.
if you've got an extensive VST collection you can run them with wine + yabridge.
Bitwig is not the only option, but coming from ableton if you want to run single boot it is the most similar (IMO) to Ableton.
Happy to answer any questions you may have about it as well.
Jo Miran
in reply to Capitanmaroon • • •Eugenia
in reply to Capitanmaroon • • •There are several commercial options for Linux. The most-Ableton software out there is Bitwig Studio that has a Linux port. However, it's expensive. The cheapest commercial solution, with a bit of learning curve but powerful nonetheless, is Reaper.
However, if you want to go 100% open source, there's Ardour and LMMS (which is a lot like FL Studio). Ardour 9, which is expected by the end of the year, will be more MIDI-friendly than it used to be. LMMS latest git version (offered as binary on their site) has some good new features compared to their stable version, however, there's still no vst3 support.
I'm an visual artist and I used Photoshop for years to edit my hand-painted scanned paintings. When I moved to Linux, and Gimp3 was out, I was finally ready to leave Photoshop behind. Some features of Photoshop aren't there, but I was ready to leave them behind. Same with video, I used to have a rather popular blog about color grading with Resolve. I moved to kdenlive, which has none of these tools or plugins. It's a decision that I simply had to make. I wanted to use foss tools, and that was the price to pay. I'm cool with my decision.
If you gotta go commercial, go with Reaper. The people (a small team of 3 or 4 I believe) behind it are really cool, and they're doing it for the love of it, their profit is very small.
StarMerchant938
in reply to Eugenia • • •Another good free DAW option with linux compatibility is Tracktion.
tracktion.com/products/wavefor…
Tracktion Software
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in reply to xtapa • • •If you want to use Ableton, then Install it with wine, if you sandbox the prefix copy the VSTs inside the prefix and use them thru Ableton.
Some VSTs may not work or could have some graphical glitches. For example with Serum sometimes some widgets gets black until I pass hover with cursor. There is a fix for this which didn't work for me that's about disabling "d2d1.dll" and installing "gdiplus".
Otherwise you can use a Linux native DAW and use VSTs with wine. Check yabridge and LinVst.
GitHub - osxmidi/LinVst: Linux Windows vst wrapper/bridge
GitHubdeadcatbounce
in reply to Capitanmaroon • • •I'd suggest no-one ever dual-boot Windows with anything. There are to many mishaps when Windows takes it into their head to fuck the bootloader.
Put the OS into a VM. If you only use Windows for one app put Windows into the VM. Otherwise put Linux into the VM until you find you're mostly using Linux.
Unless you have an old PC laying around ..
VoxAliorum
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in reply to Capitanmaroon • • •utopiah
in reply to Capitanmaroon • • •Focus on productivity and pleasure, so make the transition easier :
The entire process must be risk free and fun!
Test Linux distros online
DistroSeatortina_original
in reply to Capitanmaroon • • •Few weeks ago I have noticed that my Presonus account is offering me to download Studio One Pro 7, in deb or flatpak format. I use Linux desktop for everything except audio work (still use Windows machine for that) so when I checked my Presonus account from Linux box I was quite shocked.
Sadly, attempt to upload the image from the phone (using Boost app) doesn't work so I can't upload and can't be bothered to upload elsewhere then share URL, etc.
I couldn't get bothered to try installing it earlier since I don't want to run S1 on this box.
But just for the sake of it, I have now tried installing flatpak file and it completed.
I don't use flatpak much but trying to do...
flatpak run com.presonus.studioapp7
... failed with "Failed to connect to Wayland display".
I spent 0 seconds on reading about S1 Pro for Linux and have no intention to bother with it further but if you do use S1 on Windows you might have Linux download available as well. Give it a try if you are interested.
What exactly it requires to run, I have no idea.
But it is really surprising development.
Edit: hah, after i removed that flatpak i just installed, a notification popped up saying "Studio One is a Wayland application and won't run in X11 session."
AMillionMonkeys
in reply to Capitanmaroon • • •The .wav format is actually very simple. You should be able to write a bash script to produce wavs without too much trouble. If you'd rather not work that low-level you can always use the DAW features in emacs.
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JakoJakoJako13
in reply to Capitanmaroon • • •Norah (pup/it/she)
in reply to Capitanmaroon • • •Cricket [he/him]
in reply to Capitanmaroon • • •Like many others have suggested, you may want to try Bitwig. I understand that it's the alternative DAW that is the most similar to Ableton. The company was started by a group of ex-Ableton employees, so it's not a coincidence. Many people online feel that it's in general a better DAW than Ableton, so you may end up liking it. It supports Linux natively, even provides an official flatpak (or Ubuntu installer?)
It's not as expensive as some make it out to be, and it's on sale right now for a few more days. I just yesterday bought Bitwig Studio Essentials. They have 3 editions and Studio Essentials is the starter version, currently $79 (reg. $99). The next level up is Studio Producer, currently $149 (reg. $199), and the top level is just Studio, currently $299 (reg. $399). They also offer rent to own for $16/month for 25 months on Splice.