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Fair warning--we're probably not going to agree on this, but the following is what I mean:
The passages aren't quoted by anyone wanting to counter the Gospel at all. They are quoted by those wanting to share the Gospel--but who are expanding the Gospel beyond its scope (which is described in those same passages that are used as a counterargument--specifically Romans 9 and Galatians 3), wanting to counter the concept that Christ saved everyone He intended to--and that that was not everyone.
Christ has saved all of Israel (meaning the Israelites, of which most Christians have a hard time distinguishing from todays jews--as much as ourguys, unfortunately, have a hard time distinguishing the term 'Israelites' from 'Judeans' of the NT and OT, a distinguishment found in scripture). He died for the descendants of Adam and no one else. Non-Whites are not from Adam. Handing them the Gospel is like handing a love letter written to you and passing it on to them. It will say "you", but it's not about/for/to them.
Usually, quotes from Romans 9 and/or Galatians 3 are thrown as the counterargument (respectively, "not all descended from Israel are of Israel" and "no Jew or Greek, male or female," etc.)--and then, *if* a discussion about what those passages say can be had (which is not often, due to the temperament of the person quoting), it usually ends with their quoting of Revelation 7 ("out of every nation and tribe and peoples and tongue") as a "finisher," not wanting to question the purpose of Dan missing from the list in that same chapter.
Again, we probably won't agree here. I appreciate you catching the typo, either way 🤍
> the conclusion that all races come from the same proto human
Never said anything about a "proto-human". All of mankind comes from Adam through Noah's sons. Simple as.
> How far do I have to go back to find my great great great great grandnigger father?
If you're a Japhethite or a Shemite, you have different genes in you than a Hamite the ancestor of whom (i.e. his Ham's wife) would have given him the genes he has today which make him different from Japhethites and Shemites.
These are just words. There is no logic or science behind them. Adam is the proto human. Where do you get the udea we all come from Him. Or even from Noah. You think Noah had multi-racial kids? Did his wife fuck an ape?
@Xenophon I see you don't take the word of God seriously. Repent of your sin and accept Jesus as God and Savior (Romans 9). Then we can talk post-deluge history.
I'm so glad Noah had Benneton children. God truly is marvelous giving Noah little mulatto's so that we could preserve all the colors of humanity. And the brilliance of them all, instantly spreading around the world in under 5000 years, and mutating into the various races.
The story of Noah begins: >The Nephilim were in the earth in those days, and also after "and also after" They weren't killed off by the flood. Joshua and other Israelites find them in Canaan. So, no, according to the scripture we all share, not everyone is descended from Noah.
>"But that's the Nephilim," some have argued. "A special case. But all normal humans are descended from Noah." Look to the list of nations who are descended from Noah (Gen 10). We see from Gen 13 to Gen 15 tribes *not on that list*--even tribes that had been named prior to the flood and not listed as descended from Noah, here found well and alive after the flood.
We also see *two distinct sets of directions* to the Israelites of how to handle different tribes as they conquer the land of Canaan. The tribes of which they are instructed it is fine to take wives of *are on the list.* The tribes of which they are told to not take wives--to not even take livestock--*are not on the list* (or had mixed with the tribes not on the list, explicitly stated in scripture).
This same reasoning is why Abram had cared about his son having a wife of his own people, though living among Canaanites--going so far as to send a servant to his people to find one. And then Isaac after this, telling his sons they are not to take wives of the Canaanites.
Not doing this is the sin Esau committed, taking Hittite wives to anger his father and mother--so much so that Rebekah, his mother, laments what her life is worth if Jacob also were to do the same.
Why was Noah picked of all people? >"Noah was a righteous man, and perfect in his generations: Noah walked with God." "perfect in his generations" Take a breath and think: What does "perfect in his generations" mean?--and right after an introduction that talks about the sons of God taking wives of the daughters of Adam. This is not to say Noah was the only uncorrupted descendant of Adam. Of any that were "perfect in [their] generations," only Noah would be in the line of first born (following the order of first born son outliving their father's passing, Noah being the eighth from Adam), which is how he's "the eighth preacher of righteousness" as 2 Peter declares. (It is worth looking at how wildly our different versions "translate" that verse. They add whole terms, trying to piece together how Noah is "eighth." Some decide he was just "eighth on the boat." 🙄)
The flood did not kill everyone and was not meant to. It was meant for the descendants of Adam--to start over with Noah, perfect in his generations, eighth in the line of first born, the eighth preacher of righteousness--because God lamented that those of Adam were becoming corrupted *racially* (which results in irreversible corruption, as we see even today). That is the blasphemy of the Holy Spirit--the blasphemy of that which God had given only to Adam. One may blaspheme the Son of Man and be forgiven, but the blasphemy of the Holy Spirit will not be forgiven, as it cannot be undone. The children will not be of the promise. A bad tree cannot produce good fruit, a good tree cannot produce bad fruit, and no where is it said a bad tree becomes a good tree.
It matters because of *how* Christ's salvation works.
It is Christ who is now the preacher of righteousness, the mediator, after that same consideration of first born priests/mediators (or as Paul states it in Hebrews, "after the order of Melchizedek," a transliteration of the Hebrew for "righteous king"). It is Christ, being God, that is the true vine, by the Spirit, rather than Adam. Even Adam is--by the Spirit given to him by God (who is Christ)--a son. And so, being the descendants then of our Father, we are the branches--and only through Christ, who is called the way and the life *because of this.*
We are not found as cursed descendants of a forefather (Adam), who would be our mediator, a cursed and sinful one, who died and would be replaced by the firstborn surviving him. Nor are we found with any of that line of firstborn as our mediator, who would also be found corrupt and also pass to death. Instead the forefather of even Adam (as He gave to Adam His Spirit) has come as a son of man. God Himself is our Father, by this, the true vine. And the justification of the restoration/resurrection (however you want to translate it) will be by this consideration. He is the vine; those descended from Him are the branches.
"Every plant which my heavenly Father planted not, shall be rooted up."
@Xenophon you certainly made a great effort to say very little of significance. Most of what you say reads far too much into the text (especially about the Nephilim), and your errors multiply from there.
Allow me to make a case in point:
You say that Noah being "perfect in his generations" means he was racially pure. This is not what the original word means. The word translated as "generations" in the phrase you quote is not a matter of genetics but of time. In fact, the verse containing the quoted phrase uses two different words which are both translated "generation(s)": תּוֹלְדָה meaning genealogical descent, and דּוֹר meaning an era or the time span of a particular generation of people. The latter is the one used when describing Noah's righteousness. Noah was not good because he was "pure of race"; the passage says he was blameless among the other humans living at the same time he was living.
>perfect in his generations He was the 8th generation from Adam. He wasn't perfect his "generation." He was perfect in his descent from Adam, i.e. Noah was the only non-race mixed male heir of Adam, along with his children.
What have I said about the Nephilim that was read far too much into the text?
I only referred to scripture which says they were in the land in those days and after. Are you suggesting angels came again and took more wives *after* the flood? If not, then it is the case that they survived the flood, as the Israelites encounter more of them in Canaan.
Or do you read the Nephilim as unrelated to Noah's story? It's not a random interjection in Genesis. It's the beginning to the tale of Noah--the reason for the flood. This is why God deems it appropriate to flood the land in 120 years. (More than 1000 years later, Jacob tells Pharoah that he's 130 years old when asked. When someone says the 120 years mentioned in the tale of Noah is God putting a 120-year limit on lifespan, such a claim is thus demonstrably incorrect.)
>The word translated as "generations" in the phrase you quote is not a matter of genetics but of time. (You will go on in the next sentence to tell me that the word for genealogy is used.) >In fact, the verse containing the quoted phrase uses two different words which are both translated "generation(s)": תּוֹלְדָה meaning genealogical descent, and דּוֹר meaning an era or the time span of a particular generation of people.
Follow your own premises here and you'll find my conclusion. As you say, the passage uses two words which have been translated as one--one word, which can mean 'time'--or *'dwelling'*, quite importantly--and one for *'genealogical descent'.* Why mention genealogy if it's so immaterial, not consequential? Why bring it up right after talking about angels taking wives of the daughters of Adam?
>"These are the generations(genealogy) of Noah. Noah was a righteous man, perfect in his generations(dwelling): Noah walked with God. And Noah begat three sons, Shem, Ham, and Japheth." This makes sense after scripture introduced the issue that God is solving.
That aside, there is another Hebrew word, related, with the same consonants (important, as it was not practice to write the short vowels, so only context may distinguish between possibilities--or not, if both related words are appropriate and it's hard to determine which to use), which is דור. It means to remain, to inhabit, to circle. (Similar to the meaning of 'dwelling' the word you mentioned holds.)
So, then, also possible is: >"These are the generations(genealogy) of Noah. Noah was perfect in his generations(circle, habitation): Noah walked with God. And Noah begat three sons, Shem, Ham, and Japheth."
Or look to the Septuagint--a chronologically closer translation by those who had a grasp of the now dead language Hebrew that we will never recover, from a time before now when we have to resort to writing Noah's ark was made of "gopher" wood, transliterating the word because no one knows what it means anymore. The Hebrew word that you assert means 'generation, as in time' (though it means 'dwelling' as well) was translated there as γενεά, which is a "generation" as in current iteration of a γένος (a stock, a race)'.
However you want to view it, translating two distinct words both as one word may smear the distinction in translation, but it does not nullify the point of using the distinct words in the original language. I agree with the distinction and want both words. Asserting that it is only the second word that matters, only the second that is used to justify Noah--and then limiting it to one of its meanings, discarding the other--despite the context of mixing already being set in the tale, with scripture's statement of *why* the flood was happening--does not keep its integrity.
This is a bigger issue. The idea that "sons of God" refers to angels is disputed at best, and basing an entire theological (and especially a soteriological) paradigm around such a disputed passage is either ignorant or intellectually dishonest. Cf., for example, the thorough exegetical analysis from Keil and Delitzsch which you can read here:
Yes, the Nephilim are not angels. That isn't the claim. (C'mon, guy... )
They're not giants, as some say, either. They are "the fallen," as their name translates. They are the offspring of the "sons of God" who took wives of the "daughters of men." They are also described physically, later in Joshua and Numbers, as they are encountered. The descriptions are not of normal men.
And, yes, I agree wholeheartedly there are plenty of times (I would even say most of the time) when "sons of God" refers to Israelites--those times being *once there are Israelites.* (Even at some of the times the link you provided, when the researchers say the term at those times "certainly refers to angels"--such as in Job--it's referring to Israelites.) Christ even acknowledges the term as referring to Israelites, making (I believe, off the top of my head) a reference to a psalm, when the Pharisees take offense at the term.
And, yes, as the link you provided states *just as certainly*, there are times when "sons of God" clearly means angels.
So, when we read the term as used in Genesis 6 *before* there is a Jacob (the man Israel), meaning before there are Israelites... and the term is being specifically contrasted with the "daughters of men"...
Any state-safe researchers stamping their question mark and wagging a finger at implications means nothing. (I'd remind you that these are the same voices that shy away from saying perhaps niggers aren't suitable for White civilization; who use "Jew" and "Israelite" as synonyms, even calling Moses a "Jew" when he lived and died well before there was a kingdom of Judah; that say the dispute over "the body of Moses" in Jude is some angelic fight over Moses' physical body rather than the Moses and accusers disputing in leading the congregation of Israel, exactly what the term "body of Moses" means, as it is used elsewhere in scripture.)
Catch notice that "disputed at best" does not pass any weight at all to "not the case" (especially when the dispute, really, is for the sake of anti-racism, of not promoting a race.) It could be claimed by the same standard (just "being in despute") that your stance of rejection rather than acceptance is equally then "disputed at best."
There is nothing wrong conceptually (nor scripturally, which is the important basis) with God supremacy. It is not that we are White that is the inherant superiority and favor. It is that God gave to *us* His Spirit, from Adam onward, and restored us by His grace through His coming in the flesh--He being the true vine and we the branches.
(Btw, why are there unclean animals? How did this come to be? It's clearly not the law that makes them unclean, as Noah is instructed to take seven of each clean and two of each unclean animal. This is 1,500 years before the law.)
@Xenophon so you think "sons of God" in Genesis 6 refers to angels? That's the point I'm pushing.
Even if we set that aside though, I have questions:
1. What basis do you have for claiming dark-skinned peoples are not human? 2. If dark-skinned people are not human, then what are they and why are Whites able to mate with them and "bleach" them over generations? 3. How small does the negroid blood percentage have to be for the imago Dei to be present in someone of mixed ancestry? Can a person of mixed ancestry be saved at all? 4. What of non-African peoples? American Indians? East Indians? Arabs? The various east Asian and southeast Asian peoples? What are they and what is their relationship with God? Can such people be saved and possess the imago Dei?
Nothing I've said claims they're not human. They're not *from Adam*, if the genealogies in scripture are true (entire lists of nations of the same ethnicity--and those nations we know descended from these). You'll find that you end up following the nations of Whites through time.
All from Adam are humans, but not all humans are from Adam. All squares are rectangles, but not all rectangles are squares. All dogs are canines, but not all canines are dogs.
>non-Whites and salvation I wrote about this a few posts ago in this thread, so I'll say it this way instead:
Notice in Genesis there are two "trees," and at the end of Revelation there is one "tree" ("bearing 12 kinds of fruit" in a "city"--which is also called the Bride, which is what the Israelites are called, even in the very verse in which God promises a new covenant--this city is described as being decorated with 12 kinds of stones--the same 12 kinds as those associated with the Israelites in scripture--and having twelve gates, each with the name of an Israelite tribe). This is not a literal city, of course. The tree is not a literal tree. It is God, the true "vine" (also translated as "trunk" if talking about a tree), bearing "12 kinds of fruit," and the only way in is by the 12 gates. It's screaming who the branches are.
So, if not of Christ (which is not "believing in Christ"), then no, they are not saved. Christ is the way. Christ is, in various ways, as Paul writes, a "second Adam."
One must be born *of above* (not "again"), born of water and Spirit; what is flesh is flesh and what is Spirit is Spirit. That means being born of the flesh is not enough; one needs also to be born of the promise, the faith, which is the unconditional covenant given to Abraham (that his seed would become many nations). This is why Christ tells the Pharisees (who had, according to Ezra, Nehemiah, Malachi and more--even secular historians of the time in agreement--become largely occupied by more and more non-Israelites, particularly Edomites, meaning of Esau who took Hittites as wives)--why Christ tells the Pharisees, when they proclaim they're "not born of fornication" but are of Abraham, that being of Abraham was not enough. Esau is of Abraham. The promise followed Jacob, by God, and such is the faith. (This is the point of Romans 9.) What is flesh is flesh; what is Spirit is Spirit. It's a necessity of both.
Just as Christ rejected the Edomites though they were of Abraham (those of the flesh but not the Spirit), Christ will also reject those who are of Adam ("what is the flesh is flesh") if they are not of the Spirit ("what is the Spirit is Spirit")--meaning those who are not, therefore, "born of above."
And that's if they're mixed ("of Adam", "of the flesh")-- let alone if they're not even "of the flesh" at all. A non cannot be of the Spirit if they're not of the flesh, as God gave His Spirit to Adam. One can be of the flesh though and not of the Spirit (i.e. not in a covenant). (Example: Edomites.)
Notice that every covenant God gives is to someone and their descendants.
Why do people concern themselves with the salvation of anyone but themselves? I promise you Paul wasn't walking around worried about flat nosed niggers, because if he were there would be an epistle about it.
blacks are born violent because it's their biology. they can never fit into western society.
But also if they could just find Jesus they could be like us and breed my White daughters and drink Bud Light and watch sportsball with me on sundays while I grill them burgers.
Because people feel guilty for getting something they don’t think they‘ve earned. It’s the same reason people won’t accept a salvation of grace. The same reason they need physical acts to do to earn their salvation despite the Scripture being explicit that salvation cannot be earned by works.
For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: Not of works, lest any man should boast.
Behold, the days come, saith the LORD, that I will sow the house of Israel and the house of Judah with the seed of man [#120], and with the seed of beast [#929], Jeremiah 31:27
7 And he made proclamation and published through Nin′eveh, “By the decree of the king and his nobles: Let neither man nor beast, herd nor flock, taste anything; let them not feed, or drink water, 8 but let man and beast be covered with sackcloth, and let them cry mightily to God; yea, let every one turn from his evil way and from the violence which is in his hands.
@Xenophon wait, so if non-Whites are not from Adam, then who is their ancestor and where in Scripture does it say God made a human other than Adam and Eve to begin with?
Its literally all throughout the bible. I posted some quotes. Im not gonna handhold you. You conflate modern terms and understandings (in english no less) and then act like the ancient hebrews, or even God, would have the same misconceptions. Its very jewish.
> If dark-skinned people are not human, then what are they and why are Whites able to mate with them and "bleach" them over generations?
Bleaching is not at all an accurate descriptor or a possibility. But go ahead with the analogy: put some numbers (in generations) on the claim that people can somehow be 'bleached'.
Maybe so. Could also be someone that was unfortunate enough to have earned some half-ling grandchildren. Cheering on fast-running niggers playing sporty-ball comes with consequences.
Not to sound crass about dead kids, but they're dead, and they have already met Jesus, so that's far more comfort than anything some silly evangelical summer pastor taught them.
all I'm saying is their suffering is over. they are already dead. Whether you believe in God or not, dead souls no longer have living concerns. Human nature is to place our living concerns on the dead.
@ol dusty hamstrings A little tweaking with RBG levels in gimp and then adjust the remaining contrast curve:
If it wasn't for horrid compression artifacts probably could have produced a much better image but the blockiness of the compression was the limiting factor here.
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Man, Synth finds no joy in anything, lmao. I really can't help but disagree with his view of gaming this time, Death Stranding is garbage that's for sure, but I don't believe for one second you're "wasting your time" playing games you enjoy.
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point wasn't really that games as a whole are a waste of time (even tho they arguably are like anything that does not involve some form of IRL gain) but monotone busy work more similar to wagie jobs are
@DarkMahesvara I know what he said, but he doesn't make a proper differentiation, he outright says "men want a wife and kids and wouldn't waste time on games if they had that!", lmao.
he is being polemic as usual considering he is extremely lonely. even he would still play some games if he had wife and kids but the point that we would spend a lot less time and money on all of our copes if we didn't need to cope still holds.
@DarkMahesvara I don't know about spending money, I uh, just don't, but I would never focus less on gaming.
A NEED to focus less on gaming is different from a WANT to focus less on gaming. I won't let my kids die of fucking hunger because I have to get to 99 mining on Runescape, lmao. But this is such a vapid argument.
@DarkMahesvara Is that really something you think matters though? I doubt I'd care anyway, there are a million older games, even if games stopped being made, I'd be dead until I finished everything from older times.
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Trying to pinpoint it (at the risk of earnestness) something about the human endeavour - these spaces and structures of creation and intention against a wild backdrop of nature and world. How precarious and how precious the effort is.
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Waiting for him to now walk it back, as he has done before.
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@yianiris No, I mean that he/the people around him (e.g., Thiel via proxy of Vance, Miller, etc.) are systematically removing any chance for legal and democratic oversight by staffing the institutions that could enforce it with loyalists.
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In Islam, Muhammad is the "perfect model." And Muhammad's favorite wife Aisha was 6 when he married her, 9 when he consummated the marriage, so this makes perfect sense.
So far is the Qur’an from modern notions of tolerance and peaceful coexistence that it even warns Muslims not to befriend Jews and Christians.... By Him in Whose Hands my soul is, surely (Jesus) the son of Mary will soon descend amongst you and will judge mankind justly (as a Just Ruler); he will break the Cross and kill the pigs and there will be no Jizya (i.e. taxation taken from non Muslims). [17]Another hadith has Muhammad saying: “How will you be when the son of Mary (i.e. Jesus) descends amongst you and he will judge people by the Law of the Qur’an and not by the law of Gospel.”[18]
Muhammad weaves his charges against Jews and Christians together by condemning Christians for believing that Jesus was crucified, and Jews for believing that they crucified him: “They said (in boast), ‘We killed Christ Jesus the son of Mary, the Messenger of Allah’; but they killed him not, nor crucified him, but so it was made to appear to them, and those who differ therein are full of doubts, with no (certain) knowledge, but only conjecture to follow, for of a surety they killed him not” (Qur’an 4:157).
Allahs willing executioners - Germany: “First we cut the throats of the Jews, then the gays and finally the Christians!” No matter how obsequiously you pander to Muslims, the crocodile won’t eat you last. Degenerates are next after Jews. This is made clear by the statement from Arab youths quoted by Büscher: “First we cut the throats of the Jews, then the gays and finally the Christians!” Unless of course they encounter resistance at some point. But even to criticize their tactics would be racist.. D Blount medforth.biz/germany-first-we-…
Pamela Geller lists the acts of jihad in the US since the Garland, Texas jihad shooting. Yet one year after jihadis attacked our Muhammad Art Exhibit and Cartoon Contest in defense of free speech, the West is in full surrender mode. In the wake of the Garland jihad attacks, the world says: let the bullies silence you. Don’t draw Muhammad. Comply with their other demands. We went into the event with our eyes open. We knew the risks. But we knew the risks were greater, for our children and our children’s children, if we allowed the freedom of speech to be destroyed by violent intimidation. Yet still we were cast as the villains. An imam told Sean Hannity that I should be executed. Non-Muslim media and political figures agreed with him that in standing for free speech, I had provoked the jihadis. Fox News host Martha McCallum pleaded with me to respect Islam and constrain myself. Bill O’Reilly said I “spurred” the violence. Erin Burnett accused me of “relishing” being targeted for beheading.Alisyn Camerota on CNN battled with me, trying to bully me into adhering to sharia law.Chris Cuomo was almost brought to tears by the thought of drawing Muhammad. Juan Williams and I had a knock-down drag out on Hannity. Geraldo Rivera compared me to the Aryan Nation, skinheads, and the KKK, and said, “Every time I see her on TV, I want to take a shower.”Carly Fiorina likened our free speech event to white supremacist marching. Donald Trump said I was an obnoxious blowhard (!) who was taunting Muslims.The list is long. The leftist networks (i.e., MSNBC) were unhinged. I could go on, but you get the picture.One year on, jihad in America is raging. We were right. Gerard Perry wrote an excellent essay on the “shortsightedness of the media lynch mob.” But still people are afraid to have me speak. CPAC refused to allow me to host an event. Ironically, Donald Trump is suffering the same abuse I received from him, for speaking candidly about jihad terror and Muslim immigration. breitbart.com/national-securit…
The Garland jihad was followed by a spate of ISIS-related attacks on American soil. Here is a list of the acts of jihad in the US since the Garland, Texas jihad shooting.
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I'm on Caterpillar's email list. Sometimes they're links to white papers, sometimes relevant for other reasons. And sometimes it's just to announce sales or special offers.
A friend was looking over my shoulder and noticed the subject line "See the latest deals on Cat parts" and had questions.
Speaking from experience: Taking a risk by calling things out can be a very isolating experience. Don't applaud people that do. Do as they did: Take a risk, speak up, call shit out.
Because the more people do so, the less risk everyone has to take. And eventually what was once daring to say has moved into the realm of ordinary again.
Interesting counterpoint to the stuff we sometimes talk about here. It's more for public chat rooms though. MLS (RFC 9240) still interests me and I've been wanting to try coding it.
The White House confirmed that the U.S. has cut off some planned shipments of weapons and ammunition to Ukraine, claiming they suddenly want to "to put America's interests first."
I challenge you or anyone else who thinks this is AI to try to duplicate the image using any standard gen AI tooling. Please post what you get, I fucking dare you.
This is 100% crappy vector art thrown together into a crappy infographic by hand, and that thing on the bottom of the skeleton is called a pelvis.
Ah that’s fair, I can see where you’re coming from on that. Those icons could 100% be generated with AI given the right prompting.
In my book, they look way more like stock assets to me due to how generic the symbols are, and the consistent styling. The “army guard” icon is kinda sus because of the stick “gun”, but that can be read as deliberate ambiguity to appease potential corporate customers who don’t want gun depictions in their vector stock images, and same deal with the generic “six point star”.
You’d also think they’d have chosen some sort of more detailed depiction of “isolation & surveillance” than a megaphone, or a lightning head for “fear & control”. If any of the accompanying text was included in the prompt to generate these images, the output would’ve been completely different.
When it comes to President Donald Trump, the "worst is yet to come," according to an independent political strategist who worked on former President George W. Bush's campaign.
The Colombian Navy announced its first seizure of an unmanned, remotely controlled narco-submarine in the Caribbean Sea, equipped with a Starlink antenna and with the capacity to transport 1.5 tons of cocaine.
Based upon a memo issued by the Justice Department last month, Donald Trump's administration wants to ramp up efforts to purge the country not only of undocumented immigrants but also naturalized citizens.
Newspaper article today has people complaining that second hand cars they bought online are dodgy. Like, maybe don't buy a car you've never seen or taken for a test drive?
The New Republic reports members of the U.S. military are spending July 4 demanding answers about the consequences of following the orders of “Trump’s far-right authoritarian government.
You know what one of the crazies things about the US is?
A cop can pull you over on the side of the road and be like "Please take this breathalyzer test" and you can say "no" because that's your right.
But he can also say "please step out of the car" and if you say "no" then he'll beat your ass and claim you're resisting, because that's not your right.
So the word "please", in US legal parlance, has 2 meanings: 1. Would you please wave your right not to do this? 2. By my authority I am compelling you to do this.
And they won't tell you which one it is, or they may lie about which one it is, and if you do it and you had the right not to then it's assumed you waved that right.
Prévisions de COVID pour le Canada : JUN 28-JUL 11, 2025 CANADA MODÉRÉ (stable) Environ 1 personne sur 120 est infectée Par rapport au point le plus bas de la pandémie au Canada : -Infections ~5X 🔺 -COVID longue ~7X 🔺 -Hospitalisations ~5X 🔺 -Décès ~4X 🔺
John Stockwell left the CIA when he decided that what they were doing was endangering national security not protecting it.John R. Stockwell (born 1937) is a ...
Canadian COVID Forecast Jun 28-Jul 11, 2025 CANADA MODERATE (no change) About 1 in every 120 people infected Compared to lowest point of pandemic in Canada: -Infections ~5X higher -Long COVID ~7X higher -Hospitalizations ~5X higher -Deaths ~4X higher
Prévisions de COVID pour le Canada : JUN 28-JUL 11, 2025 CANADA MODÉRÉ (stable) Environ 1 personne sur 120 est infectée Par rapport au point le plus bas de la pandémie au Canada : -Infections ~5X 🔺 -COVID longue ~7X 🔺 -Hospitalisations ~5X 🔺 -Décès ~4X 🔺
Canadian COVID Forecast Jun 28-Jul 11, 2025 NEWFOUNDLAND AND LABRADOR MODERATE (no change) About 1 in every 118 people infected Compared to lowest point of pandemic in Canada: -Infections ~4X higher -Long COVID ~6X higher -Hospitalizations ~5X higher -Deaths ~4X higher
Canadian COVID Forecast Jun 28-Jul 11, 2025 PRINCE EDWARD ISLAND MODERATE (no change) About 1 in every 120 people infected Compared to lowest point of pandemic in Canada: -Infections ~5X higher -Long COVID ~6X higher -Hospitalizations ~5X higher -Deaths ~4X higher
Canadian COVID Forecast Jun 28-Jul 11, 2025 NOVA SCOTIA MODERATE (no change) About 1 in every 110 people infected Compared to lowest point of pandemic in Canada: -Infections ~5X higher -Long COVID ~7X higher -Hospitalizations ~5X higher -Deaths ~4X higher
Canadian COVID Forecast Jun 28-Jul 11, 2025 NEW BRUNSWICK MODERATE (no change) About 1 in every 133 people infected Compared to lowest point of pandemic in Canada: -Infections ~4X higher -Long COVID ~7X higher -Hospitalizations ~5X higher -Deaths ~4X higher
Canadian COVID Forecast Jun 28-Jul 11, 2025 QUÉBEC MODERATE (no change) About 1 in every 115 people infected Compared to lowest point of pandemic in Canada: -Infections ~5X higher -Long COVID ~7X higher -Hospitalizations ~5X higher -Deaths ~5X higher
Today in Labor History July 4, 1910: African-American boxer Jack Johnson knocked out white boxer Jim Jeffries in the 15th round, leading to race riots throughout the U.S. 11 separate riots occurred in NYC, alone. There were riots in 50 cities, including New York, Baltimore, Pittsburgh, Philadelphia, Houston, New Orleans, Atlanta, and St. Louis. At least 20 people died in these riots. Johnson, who was also known as the Galveston Giant, became the first black World Heavyweight champion in 1908, which made him unpopular with the predominantly white audience of boxing. He held that title from 1908-1915 and quickly became the most famous black man of the era. The racism against him was so intense that many, including socialist writer Jack London, called for a Great White Hope to fight him and take away his title. Jeffries, a former heavyweight world champ, came out of retirement specifically to prove “that a white man is better than a Negro.” Johnson’s victory in this fight earned him $65,000 ($2.1 million in today’s dollars).
With his winnings, Johnson opened a multi-racial restaurant and nightclub, Club Deluxe, which he ran with his white wife. Because of this, the authorities arrested him for violating the Mann act (transporting women across state lines for immoral purposes). President Trump pardoned him in 2018, something Reagan, both Bushes and even Obama refused to do. Johnson fled the country to avoid arrest, but continued boxing abroad. Eventually he turned himself in and served time at Leavenworth Prison.
"The rich and powerful don’t care if you dye your hair or pierce your nose or kiss a member of the same sex or say Hail Satan. They don’t care if you support one mainstream political faction over the other, or if you yell empty words about anarchy and revolution that aren’t pointed toward any real material goals. They care very much, however, if you are undermining public consent for military and geopolitical agendas they’ve worked very hard to propagandize the public into accepting.
The establishment never dropped the hammer on Marilyn Manson. Lady Gaga never ran into trouble with the state for singing that gay people are Born This Way. Ozzy Osbourne is living in the lap of luxury with an estimated net worth of $220 million. But groups like Kneecap and Bob Vylan are being subjected to police investigations and visa revocations for taking a stand on Palestine.
Which, of course, is only going to make their position more popular among young people with a defiant streak in them."
i think "empire makes it clear who the enemy is, and it is them" makes more sense. rebellious music didn't go away, it just stopped being any degree of mainstream.
Today in Labor History July 4, 1977: The George Jackson Brigade planted a bomb at a power station in Olympia, Washington, in solidarity with a prison strike at the Walla Walla State Penitentiary. They were a revolutionary group founded in the mid-1970s, based in Seattle, named after George Jackson, a prisoner and Black Panther who was shot and killed during an alleged escape attempt at San Quentin Prison in 1971. The Brigade was composed of both communist and anarchist veterans of the women's liberation, LGBTQ and Black Nationalist movements.
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@MikeDunnAuthor And your proposal is what? Redistribute all that wealth equally? Equality of opportunity is a good thing, equality of outcome is not. Ask the Bolsheviks how that worked for them.
Speaking for myself I want a very progressive tax rate. More graduations on the tax table reaching as high as 99%. And I want that money to go into public works and welfare. I want this not only for humane reasons. bot more importantly I want it in order to preserve democracy! In other words, I would want those tax rates even if the collected taxes were not used for anything!
A clinic in Republican southwest Nebraska announced it’s closure this week due to anticipated Medicaid cuts from President Donald Trump’s new budget — approved by its own Republican lawmakers.
Dr. Anthony Fauci may have to testify about COVID-19 origins, Rand Paul wrote on X. RFK Jr. said a pandemic “truth commission" could investigate Fauci and others.
The Netherlands is about to introduce a new law that makes helping supposedly illegal migrants/refugees a criminal offence. So yes. The Netherlands is reintroducing the Nazi law that made hiding Anne Frank illegal. As a Dutchie I am ashamed, angry and powerless (as I live in Germany). Geert Wilders, and every single Dutchie who voted for his PVV, may you burn in hell.
“There has been a lot of discussion about the two laws this week, especially after the PVV managed to pass an amendment to tighten them even further. The amendment makes it a punishable offense to be undocumented in the Netherlands. That would also mean that anyone who offers help to undocumented people would be committing a crime.”
Seems to be a widespread phenomenon. As a US citizen I’m ashamed of the intentionally cruel, stupid directives and insane ideology of the Trump regime.
Whether we are actually powerless or it just seems that way is debatable.
we all know that Geert Wilders is a neo-nazi so what can you expect from him!? The SGP, far-right Christian Orthodox men-only party, and the BBB, the far-right farmers, tilted the balance. Don't forget the VVD (conservatives), the NATO leader Rutte has been their party leader for years, was also very delighted to help push the law. Let us not forget!
we should all become used to being criminals as a way of life, not just about this law, but about a range of laws and regulations targeting all sorts of minorities these days
criminality, as a way of life, is the only way to preserve both hope and self-respect in this world
It seems that to those of us who are in the U.S., which countries are following us into fascism is something rarely and barely reported.
Fleeing the U.S. appears to be no solution, if the country you go to is just another fascist wanna-be in denial.
I have NO plans to flee—so it's irrelevent to me—but outside of Canada, the average American yearning to be an activist for democracy has little to no knowledge of who and who is not an ally.
The white-as-white people of the fiords seem to be a natural fit for democracy, but now I know I know nearly nothing.
So the next ex-pat, looking for safe havens for the overwhelmed, will get no tips from me . . .
Vermieten Sie an einen ausländischen Mieter ohne Aufenthaltsgenehmigung? Wenn ja, dann ist Vorsicht geboten, denn der illegale Aufenthalt in Deutschland ist eine Straftat.
President Donald Trump is preparing a massive U.S. troop withdrawal from Europe, planning to pull out up to 20,000 soldiers. The move comes just weeks after ...
nine2fivestudio
in reply to Ash • • •Ash
in reply to nine2fivestudio • • •Thank you
Typing while talking makes Ash dumb
nine2fivestudio
in reply to Ash • • •any time. Btw, what did you mean by this:
> Probably the three chapters from which snippets are quoted the most at those who think like me to "prove" what we're saying is false.
Who quotes these passages to counter the Gospel?
Ash
in reply to nine2fivestudio • • •Fair warning--we're probably not going to agree on this, but the following is what I mean:
The passages aren't quoted by anyone wanting to counter the Gospel at all.
They are quoted by those wanting to share the Gospel--but who are expanding the Gospel beyond its scope (which is described in those same passages that are used as a counterargument--specifically Romans 9 and Galatians 3), wanting to counter the concept that Christ saved everyone He intended to--and that that was not everyone.
Christ has saved all of Israel (meaning the Israelites, of which most Christians have a hard time distinguishing from todays jews--as much as ourguys, unfortunately, have a hard time distinguishing the term 'Israelites' from 'Judeans' of the NT and OT, a distinguishment found in scripture).
He died for the descendants of Adam and no one else. Non-Whites are not from Adam. Handing them the Gospel is like handing a love letter written to you and passing it on to them. It will say "you", but it's not about/for/to them.
Usually, quotes from Romans 9 and/or Galatians 3 are thrown as the counterargument (respectively, "not all descended from Israel are of Israel" and "no Jew or Greek, male or female," etc.)--and then, *if* a discussion about what those passages say can be had (which is not often, due to the temperament of the person quoting), it usually ends with their quoting of Revelation 7 ("out of every nation and tribe and peoples and tongue") as a "finisher," not wanting to question the purpose of Dan missing from the list in that same chapter.
Again, we probably won't agree here. I appreciate you catching the typo, either way 🤍
nine2fivestudio
in reply to Ash • • •IRGC Commander Xenophon
in reply to nine2fivestudio • • •How did you come to the conclusion that all races come from the same proto human?
How far do I have to go back to find my great great great great grandnigger father?
nine2fivestudio
in reply to IRGC Commander Xenophon • • •> the conclusion that all races come from the same proto human
Never said anything about a "proto-human". All of mankind comes from Adam through Noah's sons. Simple as.
> How far do I have to go back to find my great great great great grandnigger father?
If you're a Japhethite or a Shemite, you have different genes in you than a Hamite the ancestor of whom (i.e. his Ham's wife) would have given him the genes he has today which make him different from Japhethites and Shemites.
IRGC Commander Xenophon
in reply to nine2fivestudio • • •nine2fivestudio
in reply to IRGC Commander Xenophon • • •IRGC Commander Xenophon
in reply to nine2fivestudio • • •french toast
in reply to nine2fivestudio • • •>refers to Romans 9
Were you being spiteful or forgetful? (Being the meme on purpose or on accident?)
IRGC Commander Xenophon
in reply to french toast • • •RedHat
in reply to french toast • • •IRGC Commander Xenophon
in reply to RedHat • • •Ash
in reply to IRGC Commander Xenophon • • •The story of Noah begins:
>The Nephilim were in the earth in those days, and also after
"and also after"
They weren't killed off by the flood. Joshua and other Israelites find them in Canaan. So, no, according to the scripture we all share, not everyone is descended from Noah.
>"But that's the Nephilim," some have argued. "A special case. But all normal humans are descended from Noah."
Look to the list of nations who are descended from Noah (Gen 10). We see from Gen 13 to Gen 15 tribes *not on that list*--even tribes that had been named prior to the flood and not listed as descended from Noah, here found well and alive after the flood.
We also see *two distinct sets of directions* to the Israelites of how to handle different tribes as they conquer the land of Canaan. The tribes of which they are instructed it is fine to take wives of *are on the list.* The tribes of which they are told to not take wives--to not even take livestock--*are not on the list* (or had mixed with the tribes not on the list, explicitly stated in scripture).
This same reasoning is why Abram had cared about his son having a wife of his own people, though living among Canaanites--going so far as to send a servant to his people to find one. And then Isaac after this, telling his sons they are not to take wives of the Canaanites.
Not doing this is the sin Esau committed, taking Hittite wives to anger his father and mother--so much so that Rebekah, his mother, laments what her life is worth if Jacob also were to do the same.
Ash
in reply to Ash • • •Why was Noah picked of all people?
>"Noah was a righteous man, and perfect in his generations: Noah walked with God."
"perfect in his generations"
Take a breath and think: What does "perfect in his generations" mean?--and right after an introduction that talks about the sons of God taking wives of the daughters of Adam.
This is not to say Noah was the only uncorrupted descendant of Adam. Of any that were "perfect in [their] generations," only Noah would be in the line of first born (following the order of first born son outliving their father's passing, Noah being the eighth from Adam), which is how he's "the eighth preacher of righteousness" as 2 Peter declares. (It is worth looking at how wildly our different versions "translate" that verse. They add whole terms, trying to piece together how Noah is "eighth." Some decide he was just "eighth on the boat." 🙄)
The flood did not kill everyone and was not meant to. It was meant for the descendants of Adam--to start over with Noah, perfect in his generations, eighth in the line of first born, the eighth preacher of righteousness--because God lamented that those of Adam were becoming corrupted *racially* (which results in irreversible corruption, as we see even today). That is the blasphemy of the Holy Spirit--the blasphemy of that which God had given only to Adam. One may blaspheme the Son of Man and be forgiven, but the blasphemy of the Holy Spirit will not be forgiven, as it cannot be undone. The children will not be of the promise. A bad tree cannot produce good fruit, a good tree cannot produce bad fruit, and no where is it said a bad tree becomes a good tree.
It matters because of *how* Christ's salvation works.
It is Christ who is now the preacher of righteousness, the mediator, after that same consideration of first born priests/mediators (or as Paul states it in Hebrews, "after the order of Melchizedek," a transliteration of the Hebrew for "righteous king"). It is Christ, being God, that is the true vine, by the Spirit, rather than Adam. Even Adam is--by the Spirit given to him by God (who is Christ)--a son. And so, being the descendants then of our Father, we are the branches--and only through Christ, who is called the way and the life *because of this.*
We are not found as cursed descendants of a forefather (Adam), who would be our mediator, a cursed and sinful one, who died and would be replaced by the firstborn surviving him. Nor are we found with any of that line of firstborn as our mediator, who would also be found corrupt and also pass to death. Instead the forefather of even Adam (as He gave to Adam His Spirit) has come as a son of man. God Himself is our Father, by this, the true vine. And the justification of the restoration/resurrection (however you want to translate it) will be by this consideration. He is the vine; those descended from Him are the branches.
"Every plant which my heavenly Father planted not, shall be rooted up."
nine2fivestudio
in reply to Ash • • •@Xenophon you certainly made a great effort to say very little of significance. Most of what you say reads far too much into the text (especially about the Nephilim), and your errors multiply from there.
Allow me to make a case in point:
You say that Noah being "perfect in his generations" means he was racially pure. This is not what the original word means. The word translated as "generations" in the phrase you quote is not a matter of genetics but of time. In fact, the verse containing the quoted phrase uses two different words which are both translated "generation(s)": תּוֹלְדָה meaning genealogical descent, and דּוֹר meaning an era or the time span of a particular generation of people. The latter is the one used when describing Noah's righteousness. Noah was not good because he was "pure of race"; the passage says he was blameless among the other humans living at the same time he was living.
IRGC Commander Xenophon
in reply to nine2fivestudio • • •He was the 8th generation from Adam. He wasn't perfect his "generation." He was perfect in his descent from Adam, i.e. Noah was the only non-race mixed male heir of Adam, along with his children.
nine2fivestudio
in reply to IRGC Commander Xenophon • • •IRGC Commander Xenophon
in reply to nine2fivestudio • • •Ash
in reply to nine2fivestudio • • •What have I said about the Nephilim that was read far too much into the text?
I only referred to scripture which says they were in the land in those days and after.
Are you suggesting angels came again and took more wives *after* the flood?
If not, then it is the case that they survived the flood, as the Israelites encounter more of them in Canaan.
Or do you read the Nephilim as unrelated to Noah's story?
It's not a random interjection in Genesis. It's the beginning to the tale of Noah--the reason for the flood. This is why God deems it appropriate to flood the land in 120 years.
(More than 1000 years later, Jacob tells Pharoah that he's 130 years old when asked. When someone says the 120 years mentioned in the tale of Noah is God putting a 120-year limit on lifespan, such a claim is thus demonstrably incorrect.)
>The word translated as "generations" in the phrase you quote is not a matter of genetics but of time.
(You will go on in the next sentence to tell me that the word for genealogy is used.)
>In fact, the verse containing the quoted phrase uses two different words which are both translated "generation(s)": תּוֹלְדָה meaning genealogical descent, and דּוֹר meaning an era or the time span of a particular generation of people.
Follow your own premises here and you'll find my conclusion. As you say, the passage uses two words which have been translated as one--one word, which can mean 'time'--or *'dwelling'*, quite importantly--and one for *'genealogical descent'.*
Why mention genealogy if it's so immaterial, not consequential?
Why bring it up right after talking about angels taking wives of the daughters of Adam?
>"These are the generations(genealogy) of Noah. Noah was a righteous man, perfect in his generations(dwelling): Noah walked with God. And Noah begat three sons, Shem, Ham, and Japheth."
This makes sense after scripture introduced the issue that God is solving.
That aside, there is another Hebrew word, related, with the same consonants (important, as it was not practice to write the short vowels, so only context may distinguish between possibilities--or not, if both related words are appropriate and it's hard to determine which to use), which is דור. It means to remain, to inhabit, to circle. (Similar to the meaning of 'dwelling' the word you mentioned holds.)
So, then, also possible is:
>"These are the generations(genealogy) of Noah. Noah was perfect in his generations(circle, habitation): Noah walked with God. And Noah begat three sons, Shem, Ham, and Japheth."
Or look to the Septuagint--a chronologically closer translation by those who had a grasp of the now dead language Hebrew that we will never recover, from a time before now when we have to resort to writing Noah's ark was made of "gopher" wood, transliterating the word because no one knows what it means anymore. The Hebrew word that you assert means 'generation, as in time' (though it means 'dwelling' as well) was translated there as γενεά, which is a "generation" as in current iteration of a γένος (a stock, a race)'.
However you want to view it, translating two distinct words both as one word may smear the distinction in translation, but it does not nullify the point of using the distinct words in the original language. I agree with the distinction and want both words. Asserting that it is only the second word that matters, only the second that is used to justify Noah--and then limiting it to one of its meanings, discarding the other--despite the context of mixing already being set in the tale, with scripture's statement of *why* the flood was happening--does not keep its integrity.
nine2fivestudio
in reply to Ash • • •@Xenophon > Nephilim are angels
This is a bigger issue. The idea that "sons of God" refers to angels is disputed at best, and basing an entire theological (and especially a soteriological) paradigm around such a disputed passage is either ignorant or intellectually dishonest. Cf., for example, the thorough exegetical analysis from Keil and Delitzsch which you can read here:
biblehub.com/commentaries/kad/…
Genesis 6 Keil and Delitzsch OT Commentary
biblehub.comIRGC Commander Xenophon
in reply to nine2fivestudio • • •>basing an entire theological...around such a disputed passage...
Hope you aren't catholic.
Ash
in reply to nine2fivestudio • • •Yes, the Nephilim are not angels. That isn't the claim.
(C'mon, guy... )
They're not giants, as some say, either. They are "the fallen," as their name translates.
They are the offspring of the "sons of God" who took wives of the "daughters of men."
They are also described physically, later in Joshua and Numbers, as they are encountered. The descriptions are not of normal men.
And, yes, I agree wholeheartedly there are plenty of times (I would even say most of the time) when "sons of God" refers to Israelites--those times being *once there are Israelites.*
(Even at some of the times the link you provided, when the researchers say the term at those times "certainly refers to angels"--such as in Job--it's referring to Israelites.)
Christ even acknowledges the term as referring to Israelites, making (I believe, off the top of my head) a reference to a psalm, when the Pharisees take offense at the term.
And, yes, as the link you provided states *just as certainly*, there are times when "sons of God" clearly means angels.
So, when we read the term as used in Genesis 6 *before* there is a Jacob (the man Israel), meaning before there are Israelites... and the term is being specifically contrasted with the "daughters of men"...
Any state-safe researchers stamping their question mark and wagging a finger at implications means nothing. (I'd remind you that these are the same voices that shy away from saying perhaps niggers aren't suitable for White civilization; who use "Jew" and "Israelite" as synonyms, even calling Moses a "Jew" when he lived and died well before there was a kingdom of Judah; that say the dispute over "the body of Moses" in Jude is some angelic fight over Moses' physical body rather than the Moses and accusers disputing in leading the congregation of Israel, exactly what the term "body of Moses" means, as it is used elsewhere in scripture.)
Catch notice that "disputed at best" does not pass any weight at all to "not the case" (especially when the dispute, really, is for the sake of anti-racism, of not promoting a race.) It could be claimed by the same standard (just "being in despute") that your stance of rejection rather than acceptance is equally then "disputed at best."
There is nothing wrong conceptually (nor scripturally, which is the important basis) with God supremacy. It is not that we are White that is the inherant superiority and favor. It is that God gave to *us* His Spirit, from Adam onward, and restored us by His grace through His coming in the flesh--He being the true vine and we the branches.
(Btw, why are there unclean animals? How did this come to be? It's clearly not the law that makes them unclean, as Noah is instructed to take seven of each clean and two of each unclean animal. This is 1,500 years before the law.)
nine2fivestudio
in reply to Ash • • •@Xenophon so you think "sons of God" in Genesis 6 refers to angels? That's the point I'm pushing.
Even if we set that aside though, I have questions:
1. What basis do you have for claiming dark-skinned peoples are not human?
2. If dark-skinned people are not human, then what are they and why are Whites able to mate with them and "bleach" them over generations? 3. How small does the negroid blood percentage have to be for the imago Dei to be present in someone of mixed ancestry? Can a person of mixed ancestry be saved at all?
4. What of non-African peoples? American Indians? East Indians? Arabs? The various east Asian and southeast Asian peoples? What are they and what is their relationship with God? Can such people be saved and possess the imago Dei?
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in reply to nine2fivestudio • • •Nothing I've said claims they're not human.
They're not *from Adam*, if the genealogies in scripture are true (entire lists of nations of the same ethnicity--and those nations we know descended from these).
You'll find that you end up following the nations of Whites through time.
All from Adam are humans, but not all humans are from Adam.
All squares are rectangles, but not all rectangles are squares.
All dogs are canines, but not all canines are dogs.
>non-Whites and salvation
I wrote about this a few posts ago in this thread, so I'll say it this way instead:
Notice in Genesis there are two "trees," and at the end of Revelation there is one "tree" ("bearing 12 kinds of fruit" in a "city"--which is also called the Bride, which is what the Israelites are called, even in the very verse in which God promises a new covenant--this city is described as being decorated with 12 kinds of stones--the same 12 kinds as those associated with the Israelites in scripture--and having twelve gates, each with the name of an Israelite tribe).
This is not a literal city, of course. The tree is not a literal tree. It is God, the true "vine" (also translated as "trunk" if talking about a tree), bearing "12 kinds of fruit," and the only way in is by the 12 gates. It's screaming who the branches are.
So, if not of Christ (which is not "believing in Christ"), then no, they are not saved. Christ is the way. Christ is, in various ways, as Paul writes, a "second Adam."
One must be born *of above* (not "again"), born of water and Spirit; what is flesh is flesh and what is Spirit is Spirit.
That means being born of the flesh is not enough; one needs also to be born of the promise, the faith, which is the unconditional covenant given to Abraham (that his seed would become many nations). This is why Christ tells the Pharisees (who had, according to Ezra, Nehemiah, Malachi and more--even secular historians of the time in agreement--become largely occupied by more and more non-Israelites, particularly Edomites, meaning of Esau who took Hittites as wives)--why Christ tells the Pharisees, when they proclaim they're "not born of fornication" but are of Abraham, that being of Abraham was not enough. Esau is of Abraham. The promise followed Jacob, by God, and such is the faith. (This is the point of Romans 9.)
What is flesh is flesh; what is Spirit is Spirit. It's a necessity of both.
Just as Christ rejected the Edomites though they were of Abraham (those of the flesh but not the Spirit), Christ will also reject those who are of Adam ("what is the flesh is flesh") if they are not of the Spirit ("what is the Spirit is Spirit")--meaning those who are not, therefore, "born of above."
And that's if they're mixed ("of Adam", "of the flesh")-- let alone if they're not even "of the flesh" at all.
A non cannot be of the Spirit if they're not of the flesh, as God gave His Spirit to Adam.
One can be of the flesh though and not of the Spirit (i.e. not in a covenant). (Example: Edomites.)
Notice that every covenant God gives is to someone and their descendants.
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in reply to IRGC Commander Xenophon • • •blacks are born violent because it's their biology. they can never fit into western society.
But also if they could just find Jesus they could be like us and breed my White daughters and drink Bud Light and watch sportsball with me on sundays while I grill them burgers.
Rose
in reply to IRGC Commander Xenophon • • •Because people feel guilty for getting something they don’t think they‘ve earned. It’s the same reason people won’t accept a salvation of grace. The same reason they need physical acts to do to earn their salvation despite the Scripture being explicit that salvation cannot be earned by works.
For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: Not of works, lest any man should boast.
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in reply to Ash • • •Serious answer time
>WhY dOnT yOu ThInK nIgGeRs ArE hUmaN!?!?!
Behold, the days come, saith the LORD, that I will sow the house of Israel and the house of Judah with the seed of man [#120], and with the seed of beast [#929], Jeremiah 31:27
7 And he made proclamation and published through Nin′eveh, “By the decree of the king and his nobles: Let neither man nor beast, herd nor flock, taste anything; let them not feed, or drink water, 8 but let man and beast be covered with sackcloth, and let them cry mightily to God; yea, let every one turn from his evil way and from the violence which is in his hands.
Because it fucking calls them beasts.
nine2fivestudio
in reply to Ash • • •@Xenophon wait, so if non-Whites are not from Adam, then who is their ancestor and where in Scripture does it say God made a human other than Adam and Eve to begin with?
Also, where did you come across this hermeneutic?
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He didn't reject the nigger grand kid comment, did he? 😆
IRGC Commander Xenophon
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> If dark-skinned people are not human, then what are they and why are Whites able to mate with them and "bleach" them over generations?
Bleaching is not at all an accurate descriptor or a possibility. But go ahead with the analogy: put some numbers (in generations) on the claim that people can somehow be 'bleached'.
IRGC Commander Xenophon
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Maybe so. Could also be someone that was unfortunate enough to have earned some half-ling grandchildren. Cheering on fast-running niggers playing sporty-ball comes with consequences.
IRGC Commander Xenophon
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A dead baby in a fishtank.
WilhelmIII
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With a pitchfork!
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