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I've been using Pop!_OS for a few years now, and it's worked like a dream. Everything works out-of-the-box, and gaming on Linux has never been easier. But it almost works a little too well. Learning Linux as opposed to Windows for all my games was a fun challenge.
But, now that I'm familiar with how to set up any game that needs a little help besides Proton, I'm starting to want to delve into my OS more to see what I can customize, and I think picking a new distro with slightly different architechture will be very nice.
Don't get me wrong, I still want something that works by itself more often than not. But I would love to have something a little more cutting-edge that gives me a little more control.
I started with Linux by installing Kubuntu, and I really miss KDE Plasma. I know Kubuntu is still on Plasma 5, and I've been wanting to find a distro that lets me use Plasma 6.
I've narrowed my choices down to three distros: Nobara, Garuda, and Bazzite.
So far, I've confirmed that Nobara and Garuda come with Plasma 6, but I haven't found that information for Bazzite yet.
So, what do you think about these distros? What are the pros and cons for you?
I'm leaning the most toward Garuda - but I'm worried Arch may be TOO big of a leap. I really just learned that Fedora is not Arch-based, so I know Garuda will be a bit of the odd one out of the three.
TL;DR: Nobara, Garuda, Bazzite - which one is good and do any suck?
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Thanks, everyone, for the insightful and helpful comments! From what everyone has said, I've come to find that either CachyOS or Solus will fit my needs best.
CachyOS seems optimized for gaming, while Solus' curated rolling releases seem (to my untrained eye at least) to be somewhat of a step between the way Debian-based distros upgrade and the way Arch-based distros upgrade.
I'd love to hear people's experiences with both of these! I think I'm going to try to dual-boot them and see what setup looks like for both.😄
Bazzite has the latest KDE, yeah, currently reading 6.4 on the latest version. Nobara broke on upgrades for me (I did nothing crazy, basic install and basic upgrade process), bazzite is rock solid and built on a good base (fedora atomic). In general, I fully recommend immutable atomic distros for noobies it all just works and it helps teach you important lessons on data security and containerization
The best thing about atomic linux images like Bazzite is if for whatever reason Bazzite stops releasing new versions you can rebase to a different "distro" and itll have all of your user data and configs intact with a single simple command. With things like Nobara or Garuda, if there is a problem you essentially have to do a clean install.
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And as for Arch, Linux mint, etc., I personally find these distros and advice to be outdated. Upgrades can often break in many smaller linux distros and it is very important to have a strong and reproducible method of upgrading, especially for new users. VanillaOS and Fedora Atomic are currently the most user friendly ways to achieve flawless upgrades.
Is the rebase feature the main thing that sets atomic desktops apart?
Atomic and immutable distros essentially attempt to make each version on every computer act exactly the same to help devs with debugging. This means they shut down a lot of easy access to core system files, instead you have to use special commands to layer new changes onto your distro. These are automatically re-applied every time you upgrade, reducing the chance of breakage.
Rebasing is a fun consequence of this. Fedora Atomic images (re: things like Bazzite, Secureblue, Kinoite, etc) can be swapped out with a simple command or two. If a dev does something you don't like, you can easily swap to a different image without having to do a full migration.
I’m not too worried about having to troubleshoot. Nobara has been appealing to me because it’s developed by the Proton guy.
Most of the kernel mods from nobara are applied on Bazzite. Bazzite and CachyOS afaik contribute to the same set of code there.
How does an atomic distro help teach containerization and data security as compared to a traditional distro?
Since you cannot easily modify system files, you need to use containers to make certain very technical (and often insecure) things work. DistroBox is the main method for this, and as a plus side, it lets you install programs with commands from any distro. I can use the AUR (an arch linux feature) on Bazzite (Fedora atomic) with DistroBox if i want, for example. There are some other things that come preinstalled on Bazzite that help with this, such as flathub and brew.sh
Correct. Atomic distros don’t apply the update, unless it is ready to be applied successfully all together, usually with an option to restore the previous state, without the need of something like btrfs snapshots.
With Nix(-OS) as an example - your bootloader entry is just a reference a giant list of what you need to get out of the Nix store, to achieve the config you want. Many of those can coexist in the same system as a result, including different versions of the same package
This setup won’t really teach you anything different in relation to containers though.
If you want to play with Atomic distros I'd recommend you do that in a virtual machine in KVM first. They are quite restricting which is good for the distro developers to make consistent releases and experiences for users, and secure, but not necessarily the best option for tech savvy users.
There are ways around the restrictions but you can reach points where the compromises you have to make are too frustrating. If you find that out late down the line after setting up your desktop it can be very annoying. Also I do use Flatpak, but it's not the most efficient way to run software. Atomic distros have more overhead due to the need to use flatpaks or distrobox and the like to get everything you might want.
Atomic distros are a neat idea but I personally love tweaking every element of my install and optimising or customising it. So I use a rolling release distro, have my home folder on a separate partition, and back up regularly.
I use Garuda on my daily driver and I love it. I distro hopped for years and I'm finally home. It's not hard like trying to do your own Arch from scratch. It's like some super geek setup Linux for me with all the bells and whistles just the way I want it. I had to ditch the dragon theme and then it was perfect. And snapper is so well setup and integrated with Garuda, there's rarely a case where a clean install is warranted. I highly recommend it.
Hmm, that's a serious downside for me ngl. I tried to set up Mod Organizer 2 when I had Steam installed through Flatpak on Pop!, and I had to switch to the Ubuntu repository to get it to recognize my Steam install.
Kubuntu 24.10 is on plasma 6.1; not sure why you thought it was on plasma 5? Maybe you were thinking of the Long Term Support release which has a much longer release cycle and favours stability over cutting edge; that probably is still on 5? But personally I stay away from Ubuntu distros due to snap.
If you really want to learn Linux and game, maybe pick a distro that is not optimised by default for gaming and optimise it yourself?
I'm on OpenSuSE Tunbleweed and have optimised it myself to game how I want. It's rolling release so I'm on KDE Plasma 6.4. It's not difficult to do although I haven't gone quite as far as kernel patching that the gaming focused distros offer.
Another challenge is Arch - it's really not as difficult as people think and even just setting it up in a virtual machine helps you learn alot about Linux fundamentals without throwing the baby out with the bathwater. I've learnt alot using KVM to create virtual machines, and even have a Win 11 machine set up just because I can.
Another route to consider which I also do is get a SBC like a Raspberry 5 and look into setting up self hosting of services like Home Assistant etc. Again you learn Alot about how Linux works in the process and you can keep your main PC running for games without having to move. There is a whole self hosting community on Lemmy with loads of different routes to go, and lots of different manufacturers these days.
There are lots of options beyond changing distros. But also changing distros can be fun and a nice way to reset and make something new.
I think those three will be completely fine, but also I think base Arch would be completely fine for you. I have no idea why it's a meme that Arch is so "hard". I wouldn't recommend it for someone coming from Windows or Mac who has no idea what they're doing and had no poweruser tendencies on Windows/Mac either. But for someone who's used Linux for a few years, I think doing a base Arch install is no biggie at all. It's got a very annoying meme reputation but I think it's completely inaccurate.
That's an aside, and I'm not saying you should use base Arch, just that I don't think there's anything wrong with it if that's something you're interested in. Although if you're coming from a "beginner" distro and your intent is to learn, I do think doing a base Arch install (even if you don't stick with it) is a good idea. You'll be entirely capable of the install process and probably get a better understanding of how your system works. Then after you install it you can switch to some other distro you prefer.
Like OP said, you can get Plasma on Bazzite, as well as install it right on a SteamDeck if you have one. It's constantly being updated, and if gaming is your main driver, Bazzite goes out of its way to make things work. In theory you wouldn't have to do any tinkering to get games running, with the added bonus that you won't be messing up or introducing any entropy to your system files. If something does go wrong, you can reboot into the previous release and it'll be back to where you just came from.
There's still plenty to learn if you want to, it's just not the traditional Linux distro setup.
So, Bazzite does have a KDE 6 variant, and works very, very well, especially on a handheld PC.
It takes the approach of sandboxing off the core OS, but giving you a bunch of tools for running flatpaks and other things, set up DistroBox to semi-sort of have multiple linux os's simultaneously if you want to say, compile something from source that only has proper dependencies figured out in... not Arch, what SteamOS is based on...
I run it on my SteamDeck because it offers more ability to use it as an actual PC, while still being rock solid in gaming mode.
But uh... for more discussion... I'm going to kind of not answer your question and suggest something else:
Basically, much like Nobara is a 'gaming-tuned', optimized, cutting/bleeding-edge version of Fedora...
PikaOS basically is that, but for Debian.
If you're used to using PopOS!, well, that's ultimately Debian based, so there may be less of a learning curve now that you're broadly familiar with the Debian environment.
PikaOS works with GNOME, KDE, Hyprland if you want an even lighter weight DE.
They are also working on a Handheld PC capable out of the box distro, but its not ready yet.
From what I've seen from various youtubers... PikaOS is trading blows with Cachy and Nobara for getting the highest frame rate out of a game, on a same hardware / same setting FPS comparison... sometimes it is actually beating them.
Uh also, yeah, look into CachyOS, it seems to be the latest hotness for an Arch based, gaming optimized, but widely functional for 'whatever' OS, if you're curious about trying out Arch, and of course thus being able to constantly let every one know you use Arch, actually.
But, now that I’m familiar with how to set up any game that needs a little help besides Proton, I’m starting to want to delve into my OS more to see what I can customize, and I think picking a new distro with slightly different architechture will be very nice.
Don’t get me wrong, I still want something that works by itself more often than not. But I would love to have something a little more cutting-edge that gives me a little more control.
Fam, did I understand you correctly that you want to tinker/tweak/customize the system to your heart's content? Yet, you also wish that the system "just works". At least, mostly. Is that right? Or..., like could you perhaps be more clear on what it is you'd like to tinker/tweak/customize in the first place? Please, if possible, be explicit.
After I got a better idea on what it actually is that you seek, I'll try to answer your other(/remaining) questions.
I suppose that's fine, and please feel free to act however way you wish.
The fact remains, however, that no one actually delved into the essence of the matter.
Furthermore, I find it rather troublesome that you deflected the question rather than answering it head-on. Perhaps you didn't think it through yet, and are just waiting to be swayed by whoever advertises best.
To illustrate my point, would you (at least) be so kind to explain me where/why Fedora has lost your favor? While, on the other hand, what Solus provides (in contrast) to justify your interest in it?
Do you think I am using this thread and this thread alone as my only source of information on these distros? I'm crowdsourcing opinions and checking them against the documentation for the distros and my personal preferences.
I feel as though this thread has delved into the essence of the matter perfectly well. That matter being, of course, people's opinions on the three distros I laid out. I deflected your question because you are looking to pick my brain and start an in-depth discussion, but I've reached a point in my research where I'm comfortable making a choice without any more guidance.
And, well, idk, I feel like my statements indicated I was looking for a good middle ground between a stable system that works smoothly and something I can crack open and break while tweaking - for the learning experience. I suppose that would really just boil down to fixed vs rolling release distros.
Fedora has lost my favor due to being a fixed release distro. After CachyOS was brought to my attention, and I researched it a little bit, it seemed to fit my desires pretty well. It's optimized for speed, which is perfect for games, and it's rolling release so I still get to feel like an uber haxx0r. Nothing against Fedora, it seems great. I want something a little further from my comfort zone.
Solus is appealing to me because it isn't based on anything else, and I love that it's a small team. Plus, the weekly updates thing they do felt like a good middle ground between how Debian-based and Arch-based distros work in terms of updating. But, I think I'll stick with CachyOS for now, I'm excited to use Arch btw.
Do you think I am using this thread and this thread alone as my only source of information on these distros?
No, I don't think that. I'd even challenge that notion as your query didn't start with a simple "What's best?" but instead asked for a comparison between three distros that were (somehow) selected by you. Please feel free to enlighten me on what made you even consider the premise of your above question. Though, as this is not that important to begin with, it's also perfectly fine to ignore that 👍.
I feel as though this thread has delved into the essence of the matter perfectly well. That matter being, of course, people’s opinions on the three distros I laid out.
If you lay it out like that, then; yeah, surely. However, it seems we fundamentally differ on what the essence of the matter is. And, perhaps I'm at fault for thinking this is a beneficial exercise to begin with. Regardless, I feel I at least owe you an explanation that goes over where I'm coming from:
Fundamentally, literally none of your original three distros serve you well for the purposes of "I’m starting to want to delve into my OS more to see what I can customize". Each one is pretty opinionated (by default^[Garuda is exempted from this through its KDE Lite offering.]) and -heck- both Bazzite and Nobara come with (highly) specialized tools required for system maintenance. This is because they've identified that there's a very serious disconnect between the freedom they'd like to allow their users and the (otherwise almost insurmountable) complexity this adds to how upgrades are managed. Bazzite trusts Fedora Atomic's tooling for this, while .
Being (highly) opinionated isn't necessarily bad. But it's undeniably easier to tweak/tinker/configure a more minimal system. Hence, you're better served by a lean install (with sane defaults). Thankfully, community members either recognized this and tried to sway you towards other options. With success*. Or, you were able to discern distros that better serve you from the communities' input. However it may be, both CachyOS and Solus are definitely better in that regard. Though, crucially, if the community strictly kept to discussing the original three distros and didn't go out of their way to venture into unexplored waters, then you wouldn't have arrived where you are right now.
Anyhow, all of the above could as well be disregarded the very moment you (hypothetically) state that your idea of customization is limited to the avenues KDE Plasma offers. Because, the original three are perfectly suited for that. So, your ideas on what tweaking/tinkering/customization entails is fundamentally linked to the distro that's most fit for the job.
And thus, I would distill the essence of the matter to be a clear idea on what kind of balance between "stability" and "customization" is envisioned as desirable by you. And, while at it, proper delineations of what is and isn't understood as stability and customization. Is the requirement of stability only satisfied if you can easily rollback to a proper working state? Or, is borking on a random update simply unforgivable? On the other hand, do you really want to compile your own kernel and install it? Or were you merely interested in KDE's knobs? Etc. etc.
and start an in-depth discussion
Not necessarily, answering "Or…, like could you perhaps be more clear on what it is you’d like to tinker/tweak/customize in the first place?" would probably have been sufficient.
something I can crack open and break while tweaking - for the learning experience
There's so much we could go over in the paragraph the above text is found, but I'll instead limit myself to just the above text. I find myself in a conundrum when you present that the above was implied and that (somehow) you came to consider Bazzite. While Bazzite is a lot more customizable than people give it credit for, I would not describe any part of the experience as "cracking it open". So, when met with an oxymoron as such, I literally have to ask for a clarification.
Fedora has lost my favor due to being a fixed release distro.
You've stated somewhere that you "Love the idea of rolling releases". So, if Solus passes as a rolling release distro ^[To be clear, technically, it absolutely does.], but has less uptodate packages than Fedora's previous release^[So I'm not even comparing it to Fedora 42 or Fedora Rawhide (i.e. its rolling release branch).]. Then, what is it intrinsically that makes it favorable as a rolling release? And I haven't even delved into why Fedora's release cadence is referred to as semi-rolling or how the latest updates to packages like GNOME arrive earlier in Fedora compared to even Arch. Btw, this is not meant as one big advertisement for Fedora. Instead, I want to point out the many many nuances that exist within the Linux landscape.
After CachyOS was brought to my attention, and I researched it a little bit, it seemed to fit my desires pretty well. It’s optimized for speed, which is perfect for games, and it’s rolling release so I still get to feel like an uber haxx0r.
But, I think I’ll stick with CachyOS for now, I’m excited to use Arch btw.
I agree that CachyOS is one of the better fits. And if you're not interested to check out Arch, EndeavourOS or openSUSE Tumbleweed(/Slowroll), then I can't even think of another rolling release worth considering for you.
I love that it’s a small team.
I don't know why this would be preferred over a big team 🤔. Mind helping me understand this?
Btw, to be clear, Solus, as a project, is currently not very healthy. While it could compete with Fedora and openSUSE in the past, the last couple of years haven't been very kind to it. I'd propose the idea that the departure of its founder (i.e. Ikey Doherty) from the project has left it (relatively) visionless. And the turbulent times that followed made nurturing its community a great challenge. One, I'd argue, they weren't able to handle gracefully. Regardless, it's undoubtedly a shell of its former glory. This is also reflected by how relatively bare-bones its repository is. Or how absent it is within the discourse. Hopefully it will be able to bounce back after goodies from Doherty's latest project (i.e. AerynOS) trinkle down to benefit Solus. But, until then, it would be very irresponsible of me if I didn't discourage you from daily-driving it...
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See, this is what I meant. I deflected because my phrasing gave everyone else enough information that they could just suggest a distro.
I appreciate that you've clearly put thought into the recommendation you want to give, and I appreciate that you'd like to really understand what I'm looking for. But at the time of your original comment, CachyOS was baremetal on my machine. So, I've already picked what I want, and you're insisting I must explain in greater detail so that you may answer my question (already been answered).
Please feel free to enlighten me on what made you even consider the premise of your above question.
The fact that you were insistent no one "delved into the essence of the matter." I didn't need them to, I was researching every OS that anyone mentioned.
but instead asked for a comparison between three distros that were (somehow) selected by you.
They're all gaming distros, dude. I felt like that was evident.
I'm sorry this whole post discussion has not gone the way you wanted, but it's gone the way I wanted. And I believe I've found something that works for me.
But, in the end, it ain't Sophie's Choice. I have my important files on a thumb drive and a backup thumb drive with Pop!_OS in case I need to start fresh again. NBD.
Fam, with all due respect, and please correct me if I'm wrong, but I don't think you've 'properly' engaged with my previous reply. Don't get me wrong, it's your absolute prerogative to disregard/move-on/disengage/let-go especially if you're already moved on. The daunting task to read a wall of text concerning a subject you've internally closed/'solved' ain't everyone's cup of tea anyways. The reason I've brought this up, is because most of how I would respond to your latest reply is already contained within my previous reply 😅. As such, I will refrain from reiterating what I've said before for the sake of brevity. Instead, I'll try to strictly address the unaddressed. I'll also take the liberty to assume that you're not a fan of consuming long-form content. This will also be reflected in the remainder of this reply.
my phrasing gave everyone else enough information that they could just suggest a distro
Suggesting a distro ain't hard; CTRL + click here consecutively to get a random stream of distros. Even if we would limit it to the union of gaming distros with (semi-)rolling release distros, there's a lot to choose from. As such, mentioning what's out there ain't impressive. But expertly navigating between them sure as hell is.
Granted, suggesting a (new) distro wasn't even the objective. You wanted comparisons... Or, rather, I assumed you did.
CachyOS was baremetal on my machine.
It would probably have saved us both a bunch of trouble if you had been transparent/explicit about this. I can't read your mind nor do I like to assume stuff.
but instead asked for a comparison between three distros that were (somehow) selected by you.
They're all gaming distros, dude. I felt like that was evident.
Please allow me to clarify that it wasn't entirely clear why these gaming distros were specifically selected, while others like CachyOS, ChimeraOS, DraugerOS, Jovian-NixOS, PikaOS and Regata OS were not.
I'm sorry this whole post discussion has not gone the way you wanted
Fam, I got literally no stakes in this discussion. Apologies if I made you uncomfortable (or something) by making you think otherwise. I was merely in it to help/assist/support/aid you to the best of my abilities. For this, I required more input so that I wouldn't have to succumb you under multiple walls of text. I didn't think asking you to answer "could you perhaps be more clear on what it is you’d like to tinker/tweak/customize in the first place? Please, if possible, be explicit." was unreasonable. But perhaps I was wrong.
but it's gone the way I wanted. And I believe I've found something that works for me.
I sure hope so, fam. I wouldn't want to see you return with your tail between your legs.
I used Solus for years, it was actually my first long time Linux distro, and I have fond memories from that time and deep appreciation of the project. Note that I say used, because I have moved on (to EndeavourOS and later NixOS).
The reason why I moved on is the same as why I would recommend against Solus: the project have lost a lot of its core contributors. At the time I left there were no package updates for quite some time (used to be weekly).
I am not quite sure Solus really got a future. There are talks about converging it with AerynOS, former SerpentOS, which is innovative but still experimental software built by the original team, i.e. those that left Solus in the first place. Though they are really proficient in making the software, I do not think they have the same skillset for securing longevity through contributions.
In the end you should not care too much what people think. You will get the popular options for the intersection of Lemmy and Linux users, but popular is not always good nor what is right for you. Just try stuff and be ready to move a little through rigorous backups, you do have backups?
Hmm, thank you for your point about Solus. I was interested because it seemed the most interested in the desktop experience. But it does seem they're updating and getting back on track. I love the idea of a weekly rolling release for beginners who still need the idea to click.
Solus is a great choise for desktop. The Solus team is doing well lately. 😀 They have even weekly updates on updates. Really great comminication towards users.
I ended up going with CachyOS because I feel confident enough to try Arch now, but I think Solus is going to be my go-to when recommending for beginners, once I try it a bit more. I think it's a good blend between stable and cutting-edge, plus getting to tell people that you won't have to replace it with Solus 2 eventually is kinda a big selling point.
I tried Endeavor and in classic fashion installed something that lead to a bunch of issues down the line. Not sure exactly what I did, swapped to Bazzite and have been enjoying learning the way it works.
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Google's emissions are up over 50%, Amazon builds huge data centers powered by 75% natural gas.
Remember all those posts telling us that "AIs climate impact isn't that bad" supported by some really funky math/perspective and/or numbers Sam Altman invented?
the weather that affects people the most is not becoming more extreme or more dangerous; temperatures were higher in the 1930s than today; between 1895 and 2015, 14 of the top 15 years with the highest heat records occurred before 1960; the temperatures we are experiencing now in 2021 were the same as 120 years ago
This 64-year-old grandma with no criminal record who has been in the #USA most of her life and has always complied with #immigration rules sure is scary with all that gardening she does. Thank the gods that #ICE is out there collecting people like her!
Also, profile much?
~ Iranian woman, who has lived in US for 47 years, taken by Ice while gardening ~
Even in 1898, when racist policies were the norm, the U.S. Supreme Court endorsed an expansive view of citizenship for the children of Asian immigrants.
Today’s Supreme Court ruling for the Trump Administration doesn’t address that precedent, focusing instead on the issue of who lower courts can immediately protect from governmental actions that are likely unconstitutional.
Since the earliest days of the nation, any person born on US soil is a US citizen. A new Supreme Court ruling limits judges’ ability to block Trump’s order.
Le film Nous n’avons pas peur des ruines de Yannis Youlountas est en ligne
Après Ne vivons plus comme des esclaves, Je lutte donc je suis, L’amour et la révolution, le dernier film documentaire de Yannis Youlountas est disponible en ligne :
Résumé :
Grèce, 2019 à 2024. Mitsotakis remplace Tsipras au pouvoir en Grèce et promet d’en finir avec Exarcheia, un (...) ricochets.cc/Le-film-Nous-n-av…
Après Ne vivons plus comme des esclaves, Je lutte donc je suis, L'amour et la révolution, le dernier film documentaire de Yannis Youlountas est disponible en ligne : Lecture Film NOUS N'AVONS PAS…
Scientists in China have developed the world’s first 3D model of early mouse embryos, revealing how life forms in its initial stages at single-cell resolution.
I'm going on vacation for a week and a half and spent today writing myself extremely detailed jira tickets for the stuff I'm working on, I don't think it will be enough
The Belarusian delegation included representatives of the meat industry, who studied the latest technologies and solutions relevant to the meat processing sector.
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Between Labour’s barefaced militarism and a domesticated peace movement, it falls to anarchists to step up resistance to weapons of mass destruction ~ Ned Skinn’ ~ The patriotic flag-waving and bunting to commemorate the 80th anniversary of D-Day has…
Chinese company Loongson Technology released a new generation of domestically developed processor chips for general-purpose central processing units (CPUs), named 3C6000, on Thursday, a step forward to enter the new era of artificial intelligence (AI…
Ideas of Jewish supremacy have been central to the Zionist movement from its beginning. Just as we call out white supremacy in the United States, we must call out Jewish supremacy in occupied Palestine. mondoweiss.net/2025/06/the-jew…
You anarchist ministers, you make eloquent speeches and you write brilliant articles, but it is not with speeches and articles that one wins the war and defends the revolution. -- Camillo Berneri
Mass murder and maimings yet again, whole families wiped out, many child victims Israel has slaughtered more than a hundred refugees in Gaza overnight, bombing a whole tent camp in Gaza City and le…
«#Gaza doit être éliminée ». En Israël la propagande en faveur du #génocide se déchaîne. Extraits : - Un général à la retraite « Gaza doit devenir "un endroit où aucun être humain ne peut exister" », - Le vice-président du parlement israélien « Maintenant, nous avons tous un objectif commun : effacer la bande de Gaza de la surface de la Terre », - Yoav Gallant, ancien ministre de la défense « Gaza ne redeviendra pas ce qu'elle était avant. Nous allons tout éliminer ». theguardian.com/commentisfree/…
Due to fuel shortages and a severe lack of equipment hindering the Gaza Civil Defense’s ability to respond to escalating Israeli airstrikes, Palestinian families search with their bare hands for loved ones buried under the sand after a massive Israeli strike on their tents in Gaza City. #gazagenocide
Last week the annual conference of the Association for Heterodox Economics (AHE) took place in London. I quote from the AHE website: “Formed in 1999 to provide an annual conference where all …
Die Regierung streicht eine der letzten legalen Wege, nach Deutschland zu fliehen. Warum die Aussetzung des Familiennachzugs für subsidär Schutzberechtigte keine Probleme löst, sondern nur die AfD stärkt. volksverpetzer.de/aktuelles/fa…
Ich frage mich, ob die Regierenden alle aus völlig zerrütteten Familien stammen oder ob sie eine perverse Lust empfinden, wenn sie wissen, für Angst und Sorge um die Liebsten bei denjenigen verantwortlich zu sein, die es gerade so mit Not geschafft haben, ihr Leben zu retten. Was wurde Marcel Reif für seine in "Sei a Mensch!" gipfelnde Rede bejubelt. Und nun? Regierungsverantwortung in den Händen derer, die Menschlichkeit im Fremdwörterbuch nachschlagen müssen.
@Petsie Das hat eine seehr lange Geschichte. Familie für Nichtdeutsche galt fast immer als überflüssig - oder Schlimmeres. Grundgedanke ist hier wohl wie üblich Abschreckung. "Kommt nicht nach Deutschland und wenn ihr schon da seid, machen wir es euch so ungemütlich, dass ihr möglichst wieder abhaut." @Volksverpetzer
1925 yılının Şubat ayında gerçekleşen Azadi Ayaklanması’nın 100. yıldönümünü geride bıraktık. Üzerinden yüz yıl geçmesine rağmen bugün gerek egemenler gerekse de sol hareket nezdinde halen tartışılması, Azadi Ayaklanması’nın tarihin tozlu sayfalarınd…
« Ne cessez jamais de parler de nous », cette même phrase revient dans chaque échange avec les Palestiniens.
Transmettre leur histoire, leur lutte et être à leurs côtés jusqu’à leur libération (…)
#Gaza : la lettre des #journalistes de "La Provence" que vous ne lirez pas dans La Provence fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/La_Prove… détenue par CMA Média, filiale de la troisième compagnie de fret maritime du monde, CMA CGM, dirigée par #saade
Une centaine de journalistes ont pris la plume pour dénoncer le massacre de journalistes tués à Gaza. Une lettre qui n’a pas trouvé de place sur le site du journal provençal mais publié par Politis politis.fr/articles/2025/06/tr…
Une centaine de journalistes de La Provence ont pris la plume pour dénoncer le massacre de journalistes tués à Gaza. Une lettre qui n’a pas trouvé de place sur le site du journal provençal mais que nous publions, avec leur accord, ici.
Law enforcement remains perplexed at the support surrounding Luigi Mangione.
But advocates, both old and new, say they should have seen it coming.
Dec. 4, 2024
Brian Thompson’s shocking early-morning murder on the streets of downtown Manhattan spread like wildfire on social media.
Security footage captured a hooded assailant raising a silenced pistol and firing off rounds at the 50-year-old UnitedHealthcare CEO as he walked along West 54th Street towards the New York Hilton Midtown hotel, which was hosting an annual company investors' meeting set to take place later that day.
Afterward, the internet was ablaze. Memes were made about the murder victim, whom many saw as a symbol for the for-profit health care system, while messages of support flooded in for the unknown shooter.
Law enforcement remains perplexed at the support surrounding Luigi Mangione.
But advocates, both old and new, say they should have seen it coming.
Dec. 4, 2024
Brian Thompson’s shocking early-morning murder on the streets of downtown Manhattan spread like wildfire on social media.
Security footage captured a hooded assailant raising a silenced pistol and firing off rounds at the 50-year-old UnitedHealthcare CEO as he walked along West 54th Street towards the New York Hilton Midtown hotel, which was hosting an annual company investors' meeting set to take place later that day.
Afterward, the internet was ablaze. Memes were made about the murder victim, whom many saw as a symbol for the for-profit health care system, while messages of support flooded in for the unknown shooter.
After two years of conflict, 24.6 million people in Sudan face acute food insecurity—nearly half the population, according to the Integrated Food Security Phase Classification
Israeli contractors are demolishing homes in Gaza while playing a central role in the killing of hundreds of Palestinians at aid distribution points set up by the US and Israel backed Gaza Humanitarian Foundation, a report in the Israeli newspaper Haaretz has revealed.
Contractors receive approximately $1,500 for every house they demolish, a veteran Israeli soldier told Haaretz.
Israeli demolition contractors - motivated by money - are reportedly starting the incidents where desperate Gazan aid seekers are killed by the Israeli army
ICE hardened its immigration enforcement in Lower Manhattan on Thursday morning in what some called a blatant disregard for the law, and the masked-up agents
Illegal Israeli settlers launched a new attack on Palestinian towns in the occupied West Bank on Friday, a local activist said, Anadolu reports.
“Israeli settlers launched an attack on the Arab Melihat community (of Jericho), forcing their livestock to flee,” Hassan Melihat, the head of the Al-Baydar Organization for the Defense of Bedouin Rights, an NGO, said in a statement.
„Hundreds of Palestinians have been killed over the past month in the vicinity of areas where food was being handed out, local hospitals and officials have said.
Haaretz, a left-leaning Israeli newspaper, quoted unnamed Israeli soldiers as saying they were told to fire at the crowds to keep them back and using unnecessary lethal force against people who appeared to pose no threat.“
„The Israeli-US food distribution scheme in Gaza, launched one month ago, is #dehumanising Palestinians by design, forcing people to choose between #starvation or risking their lives for minimal supplies.“
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„Die israelische "Haaretz" berichtet von erschreckenden Ereignissen nahe der Verteilzentren im Gazastreifen. Israelische Soldaten haben wiederholt den Befehl erhalten, bewusst auf unbewaffnete Menschenmengen zu schießen, um die Gruppen Hungernder zu kontrollieren, heißt es. (…) Ein Soldat beschrieb die Situation als einen "totalen Zusammenbruch der ethischen Grundsätze der israelischen Streitkräfte im Gazastreifen". n-tv.de/politik/Bericht-Israel…
Nota bene die Argumentation der Bundesregierung gegen ein Waffenembargo beruht zur Gänze auf der Behauptung, dass man darauf vertrauen kann, dass die israelischen Streitkräfte gewissenhafte "proportionality assessments" durchführen. Und wie wir hier hören, tun diese nicht einmal mehr so als ob.
Leider haben wir es in De mit einem Fall von schwerer kognitiver Dissonanz zu tun, gepaart mit einer inquisitorischen Apologie der Staatsräson, die immer mehr davon Betroffene auch ganz materialle Schäden erleiden lässt.
Dass sich der Wind hierzulande dreht, jetzt, wo Israel in Westasien auf der Siegerstraße ist und mit Trump zusätzlichen Rückenwind erhalten wird, erscheint mir inzwischen unwahrscheinlich. Die Dimension des Grauens und die wachsende Zahl stichhaltiger Nachweise für das genozidale Vorgehen Israels in Gaza sowie die im Schatten dessen erfolgende Expansion des mörderischen Siedlerkolonialismus in der WestBank - seit 10/7 über 800 getötete Palästinenser:innen - scheint keinerlei Auswirkungen auf die gegen palästinasolidarische Menschen gerichtete Gesinnungskriminalisierung zu haben.
Es scheint keine Verbindung zwischen himmelschreiender Ungerechtigkeit und realpolitischem Alltag zu existieren, sprich die nichtvorhandene Verhältnismäßigkeit im Vorgehen Israels bedingt die Aufkündigung jeglichen Verhältnisses zwischen moralischem Anspruch und machtpolitischer Wirklichkeit hierzulande, abzulesen u.a. am weitgehenden Fehlen dieses Themas im Wahlkampf.
Das heißt für mich nicht, damit aufzuhören, Beiträge dazu zu verfassen, ich neige jedoch inzwischen dazu, zu diesem Gewaltverhältnis weniger im deutschsprachigen Fediverse zu posten als etwa auf Instagramm zu lesen, was die dort zahlreich vertretenen palästinasolidarischen Stimmen zu sagen haben.
In diesem neuen Artikel in Haaretz berichten aus #Gaza, insbesondere im Netzarim-Korridor, einer Tötungs-Zone, eingesetzte Soldaten aus #Israel von schwersten #Kriegsverbrechen, die offensichtlich ständig und gewohnheitsmäßig begangen werden. Das geschilderte offenbart eine extreme Brutalität. 🧵
»'No Civilians. Everyone's a Terrorist': IDF Soldiers Expose Arbitrary Killings and Rampant Lawlessness in Gaza's Netzarim Corridor« archive.is/2024.12.18-183921/h…
»While senior Israel Defense Forces officials might deny its existence, in the heart of the Gaza Strip, north of the Netzarim corridor, nothing is more real. "The forces in the field call it 'the line of dead bodies'" a commander in Division 252 tells Haaretz. "After shootings, bodies are not collected, attracting packs of dogs who come to eat them. In Gaza, people know that wherever you see these dogs, that's where you must not go."«
Eine der eingesetzten Divisionen ist die 252, die auf alles schießen was dich bewegt.
»While Palestinians are officially prohibited from entering, the reality is more severe than a simple exclusion zone. "It's military whitewashing," explains a senior officer in Division 252, who has served three reserve rotations in Gaza. "The division commander designated this area as a 'kill zone.' Anyone who enters is shot."«
Aus der Anzahl an getöteten Menschen ist eine Art Wettbewerb geworden: »"The IDF spokesperson's announcements about casualty numbers have turned this into a competition between units. If Division 99 kills 150 [people], the next unit aims for 200." «
»These accounts of indiscriminate killing and the routine classification of civilian casualties as terrorists emerged repeatedly in Haaretz's conversations with recent Gaza veterans. «
Die israelische Armee die moralischste Armee der Welt zu nennen ist verschließen der Augen vor der Realität:
»"Calling ourselves the world's most moral army absolves soldiers who know exactly what we're doing," "It means ignoring that for over a year, we've operated in a lawless space where human life holds no value. Yes, we commanders and combatants are participating in the atrocity unfolding in Gaza. Now everyone must face this reality." «
Kommandeure der Divisionen haben mittlerweile unbeschränkte Befehlsgewalt vor Ort
»Division commanders now have almost unlimited firepower authority in combat zones," explains a veteran officer in Division 252. "A battalion commander can order drone strikes, and a division commander can launch conquest operations." Some sources describe IDF units operating like independent militias, unrestricted by standard military protocols. «
»"One time, guards spotted someone approaching from the south. We responded as if it was a large militant raid. We took positions and just opened fire. I'm talking about dozens of bullets, maybe more. For about a minute or two, we just kept shooting at the body. People around me were shooting and laughing."
. "We approached the blood-covered body, photographed it, and took the phone. He was just a boy, maybe 16."«
Vorgesetzte Offiziere gratulieren zur Tötung des Jungen: "That evening, our battalion commander congratulated us for killing a terrorist, saying he hoped we'd kill ten more tomorrow," the fighter adds. "When someone pointed out he was unarmed and looked like a civilian, everyone shouted him down. The commander said: 'Anyone crossing the line is a terrorist, no exceptions, no civilians. Everyone's a terrorist.'«
Der Sprecher der isr. Armee meldete die Tötung von 200 Hamas-Kämpfern durch Division 252.
Die Realität: »Standard procedure requires photographing bodies and collecting details when possible, then sending evidence to intelligence to verify militant status or at least confirm they were killed by the IDF," "Of those 200 casualties, only ten were confirmed as known Hamas operatives. Yet no one questioned the public announcement about killing hundreds of militants."«
»Despite clearly not appearing as militants, a tank advanced and opened fire with its machine gun. "Hundreds of bullets," he recalls. Three died immediately ("the sight haunts me," he says), while the fourth survived and raised his hands in surrender. «
Was passiert mit überlebenden Zivilisten? Sie werden misshandelt.
»We put him in a cage set up near our position, stripped off his clothes, and left him there«
»"Soldiers passing by spat on him. It was disgusting. Finally, a military interrogator came, questioned him briefly while holding a gun to his head, then ordered his release." «
» "Later, officers praised us for killing 'terrorists.'«
»In another incident, observation posts spotted two people walking toward Wadi Gaza, an area designated as restricted. A drone revealed they were carrying a white flag and walking with raised hands.
»When one commander protested, pointing out the white flag and suggesting they might be hostages, he was overruled. "I don't know what a white flag is, shoot to kill," the dep. com., a reservist from Brigade 5, insisted«
»A Div99 Res. describes watching a drone feed showing "an adult with 2 children crossing the forbidden line." They were walking unarmed, seemingly searching f something."We had them under complete surveillance with the drone & weapons aimed at them – they couldn't do anything," "Suddenly we heard a massive explosion. A combat helicopter had fired a missile at them. Who thinks it's legitimate to fire a missile at children? And with a helicopter? This is pure evil."«
Der Kommandeur von Division 252 ist Yehuda Vach, ein Extremist aus der Westbank. Seine Haltung und seine Direktive: »"there are no innocents in Gaza,"«
»He told his commanders that "in the Middle East, victory comes through conquering territory. We must keep conquering until we win." «
Unter Vach verschoben sich die Bereiche der Kill-Zones ständig von Tag zu Tag um hunderte Meter.
Für ihn ist jeder der das Gebiet betritt automatisch Terrorist: »One of the concepts he introduced was declaring anyone entering the kill zone a terrorist conducting reconnaissance. "Every woman is a scout, or a man in disguise," an officer explains. "Vach even decided anyone on a bicycle could be killed, claiming cyclists were terrorists' collaborators." «
»After reports of Hamas leader Yahya Sinwar's death, Vach shared disturbing fantasies during a command briefing about mutilating and desecrating the body. "How they should have stripped him, placed him in the city square, cut up the corpse and wash it in sewage water. He tried to explain how to cut and dismember the body," an officer recalls. "This wasn't a joke – this was a formal assessment meeting. His commanders stood shocked silent,"«
Vach fing bereits aus privater Initiative heraus Menschen aus Nord-gaza zu vertreiben (er betrachtet das als seinen großen Triumph) - er wurde zurück gepfiffen. Nach dem Ende des Einsatzes der Division 252 stellten sich eine Menge Fragen.
»"First he talked about expelling everyone south, thinking he'd implement the Generals' Plan alone," «
Im März soll Vach dann wieder dort zurück im Einsatz mit seiner Division sein.
Wir haben hier also von multiplen, völlig offensichtlichen Kriegsverbrechen gelesen, angeordnet und ausgeführt von der militärischen Hierarchie vor Ort mit der vollen Rückendeckung. Angriffe auf wehrlose Zivilisten, Kinder, zum Teil wettbewerbsartig als eine Art von Sport. Getötete Zivilisten werden gefeiert und automatisch zum Terroristen undefiniert, und finden sich dann als solche auch in deutscher Presse wieder.
Es bestehen da keine Fragen von wegen "aber Hamas" - es geht dabei einzig und allein um die Brutalität der israelischen Armee, für die menschliches Leben überhaupt keinen Wert hat und deswegen schwerste Gräultaten begeht.
🚨 Le corridor de Netzarim divise Gaza, es opérations militaires qui y sont menées entraînent de nombreuses victimes civiles, dont des femmes et des enfants. Plus de 32,000 Palestiniens tués et 1.7 million déplacés 🚪🌪️. Les organisations humanitaires appellent à une intervention urgente pour protéger les civils et garantir l'accès à l'aide humanitaire 🛡️🌍. #Gaza #CorridorDeNetzarim #CriseHumanitaire #DroitsDeLHomme #conflitisraelopalestinien
This is shocking - but whether or not these reports are confirmed, #GHF needs to be disbanded and #UN #aid organisations #UNRWA allowed back into #Gaza immediately.
GHF is killing more lives than it saves, it's disgusting
The Gaza government media office on Friday condemned the discovery of oxycodone pills reportedly discovered in flour bags distributed by “American-Israeli” aid centres.
Dazu kommt, dass Müller den wohl am besten belegten und auch sehr konkreten Vorwurf des BfV in seiner Bewertung schlicht ignoriert: die Islam- und Muslimfeindlichkeit in der AfD, insbesondere mit dem Ziel, Kopftuchträger*innen den Zugang zu allen öffentlichen Einrichtungen zu untersagen. RE: bsky.app/profile/did:plc:te2wd…
Gaza (Quds News Network)- People in Gaza have found dangerous narcotics inside flour bags distributed by the US-Israeli Gaza Humanitarian Foundation (GHF), which Palestinians and national organization
It seems that our rulers, here in the 'liberal' West, have homed in on a new way of turning a person into a non-person.
Here is a man, Hüseyin Doğru, a German journalist (of Turkish origins, but not a dual citizen) whom the EU authorities have found a novel, immensely cruel, way of punishing for his coverage of, and views on, Palestine.
The German authorities learned a lesson from my case. Not wishing to be answerable in court for any ban on pro-Palestinian voices (similar to the court case I am dragging them through currently), they found another way: A direct sanction by the EU utilising some hitherto unused directive, one introduced at the beginning of the Ukraine war, that allows Brussels to sanction any citizen of the EU it deems to be working for Russian interests. Clinging to the argument that Hüseyin’s website/podcast used to be shown also on Ruptly (among other platforms), they are using this directive aimed at an ‘anti-Russian asset’ to destroy a journalist who dared oppose the Palestinian genocide.
In practice, this means that Hüseyin’s bank account is frozen; that if you or I were to give him cash to buy groceries or make rent then we would be considered his accomplices and subject to similar sanctions; it also means that if he were a civil servant, he would be fired; if he were a student he would be expelled from his university; if he received a pension it would be suspended; if he received any social benefit it would be frozen. It also, astonishingly, means that he cannot leave Germany!
Last, but definitely not least, it means that Hüseyin cannot sue his government for turning him into a non-person but only challenge the European Commission in Brussels – where he is not even allowed to go!
Need I say more? Is it not abundantly clear that we live, today, in a nominally liberal Europe where, in a jiffy, your political and human rights can be rescinded, including your right to challenge your government in a court of law?
>>Ich habe in der letzten Woche mit diversen, teils hochrangigen palästinensischen, israelischen und europäischen Akteuren gesprochen- aus der Zivilgesellschaft und aus der Diplomatie. Der Tenor war eindeutig: Deutschland muss endlich handeln um den Genozid zu stoppen. Ein Thread:<<
>>Für alle ist klar: eine Aussetzung des EU Assoziierungsabkommen würde die Nethanyahu Regierung ernsthaft unter Druck setzen, aber die europäischen Partner brauchen dafür Deutschland an Bord.<<
<<Die EU ist als Handelspartner deutlich relevanter als alle anderen Staaten- selbst die USA. Deshalb muss der Bericht der auf europäischer Ebene vorliegt und der die Menschenrechtsverbrehen Israels in Gaza deutlich benennt endlich ernst genommen werden.<<
>>Deutschland muss sich der Initiative anderer EU Staaten anschließen und endlich Sanktionen gegen die faschistischen Minister Ben Gvir und Smotrich erheben sowie die ICJ Empfehlung der Sanktionierung der radikalen Siedler in der Westbank umsetzen.<<
>>Außerdem ist Deutschland weiterhin der zweitgrößte Exporteur (nach den USA) von Waffen. Damit beteiligen wir uns unmittelbar an einem Genozod an den Palästinenser*innen. Damit muss endlich Schluss sein!<<
>>Die Anerkennung Palästinas ist überfällig- seit 1948. Daher ist es unsere gottverdammte Verantwortung, dass sich Deutschland hier endlich all den Staaten anschließt, die gerade eine neue Initiative bei den VN gestartet haben.<<
>>Humanitäre Organisationen verteilen Hilfe ohne dabei Menschen zu ermorden. Deutschland muss sich dem internationalen Druck anschließen, endlich wieder unabhängige Hilfe nach Gaza zu lassen.<<
>>Außerdem braucht es dringend unabhängige Berichterstattung und Israel muss Medien freien Zugang gewähren.<<
>>Es überfällig, dass Deutschland sich seiner historischen Verantwortung für das Völker- und die Menschenrechte erinnert und endlich Verbrechen als solche benennt!<
Deutsche Politiker haben dort nichts zu sagen. Hauptakteur ist die USA. Merz kann Netanjahu weiter in den Arsch kriechen und der und seine Faschos lachen drüber. Palestine dies for German Guilt!
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in reply to VerilyFemme • • •Bazzite has the latest KDE, yeah, currently reading 6.4 on the latest version. Nobara broke on upgrades for me (I did nothing crazy, basic install and basic upgrade process), bazzite is rock solid and built on a good base (fedora atomic). In general, I fully recommend immutable atomic distros for noobies it all just works and it helps teach you important lessons on data security and containerization
The best thing about atomic linux images like Bazzite is if for whatever reason Bazzite stops releasing new versions you can rebase to a different "distro" and itll have all of your user data and configs intact with a single simple command. With things like Nobara or Garuda, if there is a problem you essentially have to do a clean install.
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And as for Arch, Linux mint, etc., I personally find these distros and advice to be outdated. Upgrades can often break in many smaller linux distros and it is very important to have a strong and reproducible method of upgrading, especially for new users. VanillaOS and Fedora Atomic are currently the most user friendly ways to achieve flawless upgrades.
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in reply to marcie (she/her) • • •I was reading into atomic distros just now. Is the rebase feature the main thing that sets atomic desktops apart?
I'm not too worried about having to troubleshoot. Nobara has been appealing to me because it's developed by the Proton guy.
How does an atomic distro help teach containerization and data security as compared to a traditional distro?
marcie (she/her)
in reply to VerilyFemme • • •Atomic and immutable distros essentially attempt to make each version on every computer act exactly the same to help devs with debugging. This means they shut down a lot of easy access to core system files, instead you have to use special commands to layer new changes onto your distro. These are automatically re-applied every time you upgrade, reducing the chance of breakage.
Rebasing is a fun consequence of this. Fedora Atomic images (re: things like Bazzite, Secureblue, Kinoite, etc) can be swapped out with a simple command or two. If a dev does something you don't like, you can easily swap to a different image without having to do a full migration.
Most of the kernel mods from nobara are applied on Bazzite. Bazzite and CachyOS afaik contribute to the same set of code there.
Since you cannot easily modify system files, you need to use containers to make certain very technical (and often insecure) things work. DistroBox is the main method for this, and as a plus side, it lets you install programs with commands from any distro. I can use the AUR (an arch linux feature) on Bazzite (Fedora atomic) with DistroBox if i want, for example. There are some other things that come preinstalled on Bazzite that help with this, such as flathub and brew.sh
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in reply to VerilyFemme • • •Correct. Atomic distros don’t apply the update, unless it is ready to be applied successfully all together, usually with an option to restore the previous state, without the need of something like btrfs snapshots.
With Nix(-OS) as an example - your bootloader entry is just a reference a giant list of what you need to get out of the Nix store, to achieve the config you want. Many of those can coexist in the same system as a result, including different versions of the same package
This setup won’t really teach you anything different in relation to containers though.
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in reply to VerilyFemme • • •If you want to play with Atomic distros I'd recommend you do that in a virtual machine in KVM first. They are quite restricting which is good for the distro developers to make consistent releases and experiences for users, and secure, but not necessarily the best option for tech savvy users.
There are ways around the restrictions but you can reach points where the compromises you have to make are too frustrating. If you find that out late down the line after setting up your desktop it can be very annoying. Also I do use Flatpak, but it's not the most efficient way to run software. Atomic distros have more overhead due to the need to use flatpaks or distrobox and the like to get everything you might want.
Atomic distros are a neat idea but I personally love tweaking every element of my install and optimising or customising it. So I use a rolling release distro, have my home folder on a separate partition, and back up regularly.
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in reply to VerilyFemme • • •Kubuntu 24.10 is on plasma 6.1; not sure why you thought it was on plasma 5? Maybe you were thinking of the Long Term Support release which has a much longer release cycle and favours stability over cutting edge; that probably is still on 5? But personally I stay away from Ubuntu distros due to snap.
If you really want to learn Linux and game, maybe pick a distro that is not optimised by default for gaming and optimise it yourself?
I'm on OpenSuSE Tunbleweed and have optimised it myself to game how I want. It's rolling release so I'm on KDE Plasma 6.4. It's not difficult to do although I haven't gone quite as far as kernel patching that the gaming focused distros offer.
Another challenge is Arch - it's really not as difficult as people think and even just setting it up in a virtual machine helps you learn alot about Linux fundamentals without throwing the baby out with the bathwater. I've learnt alot using KVM to create virtual machines, and even have a Win 11 machine set up just because I can.
Another route to consider which I also do is get a SBC like a Raspberry 5 and look into setting up self hosting of services like Home Assistant etc. Again you learn Alot about how Linux works in the process and you can keep your main PC running for games without having to move. There is a whole self hosting community on Lemmy with loads of different routes to go, and lots of different manufacturers these days.
There are lots of options beyond changing distros. But also changing distros can be fun and a nice way to reset and make something new.
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in reply to VerilyFemme • • •I think those three will be completely fine, but also I think base Arch would be completely fine for you. I have no idea why it's a meme that Arch is so "hard". I wouldn't recommend it for someone coming from Windows or Mac who has no idea what they're doing and had no poweruser tendencies on Windows/Mac either. But for someone who's used Linux for a few years, I think doing a base Arch install is no biggie at all. It's got a very annoying meme reputation but I think it's completely inaccurate.
That's an aside, and I'm not saying you should use base Arch, just that I don't think there's anything wrong with it if that's something you're interested in. Although if you're coming from a "beginner" distro and your intent is to learn, I do think doing a base Arch install (even if you don't stick with it) is a good idea. You'll be entirely capable of the install process and probably get a better understanding of how your system works. Then after you install it you can switch to some other distro you prefer.
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in reply to VerilyFemme • • •Like OP said, you can get Plasma on Bazzite, as well as install it right on a SteamDeck if you have one. It's constantly being updated, and if gaming is your main driver, Bazzite goes out of its way to make things work. In theory you wouldn't have to do any tinkering to get games running, with the added bonus that you won't be messing up or introducing any entropy to your system files. If something does go wrong, you can reboot into the previous release and it'll be back to where you just came from.
There's still plenty to learn if you want to, it's just not the traditional Linux distro setup.
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in reply to VerilyFemme • • •So, Bazzite does have a KDE 6 variant, and works very, very well, especially on a handheld PC.
It takes the approach of sandboxing off the core OS, but giving you a bunch of tools for running flatpaks and other things, set up DistroBox to semi-sort of have multiple linux os's simultaneously if you want to say, compile something from source that only has proper dependencies figured out in... not Arch, what SteamOS is based on...
I run it on my SteamDeck because it offers more ability to use it as an actual PC, while still being rock solid in gaming mode.
But uh... for more discussion... I'm going to kind of not answer your question and suggest something else:
Check out PikaOS.
wiki.pika-os.com/en/home
Basically, much like Nobara is a 'gaming-tuned', optimized, cutting/bleeding-edge version of Fedora...
PikaOS basically is that, but for Debian.
If you're used to using PopOS!, well, that's ultimately Debian based, so there may be less of a learning curve now that you're broadly familiar with the Debian environment.
PikaOS works with GNOME, KDE, Hyprland if you want an even lighter weight DE.
They are also working on a Handheld PC capable out of the box distro, but its not ready yet.
From what I've seen from various youtubers... PikaOS is trading blows with Cachy and Nobara for getting the highest frame rate out of a game, on a same hardware / same setting FPS comparison... sometimes it is actually beating them.
Uh also, yeah, look into CachyOS, it seems to be the latest hotness for an Arch based, gaming optimized, but widely functional for 'whatever' OS, if you're curious about trying out Arch, and of course thus being able to constantly let every one know you use Arch, actually.
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in reply to VerilyFemme • • •Fam, did I understand you correctly that you want to tinker/tweak/customize the system to your heart's content? Yet, you also wish that the system "just works". At least, mostly. Is that right? Or..., like could you perhaps be more clear on what it is you'd like to tinker/tweak/customize in the first place? Please, if possible, be explicit.
After I got a better idea on what it actually is that you seek, I'll try to answer your other(/remaining) questions.
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in reply to VerilyFemme • • •I suppose that's fine, and please feel free to act however way you wish.
The fact remains, however, that no one actually delved into the essence of the matter.
Furthermore, I find it rather troublesome that you deflected the question rather than answering it head-on. Perhaps you didn't think it through yet, and are just waiting to be swayed by whoever advertises best.
To illustrate my point, would you (at least) be so kind to explain me where/why Fedora has lost your favor? While, on the other hand, what Solus provides (in contrast) to justify your interest in it?
VerilyFemme
in reply to HayadSont • • •Do you think I am using this thread and this thread alone as my only source of information on these distros? I'm crowdsourcing opinions and checking them against the documentation for the distros and my personal preferences.
I feel as though this thread has delved into the essence of the matter perfectly well. That matter being, of course, people's opinions on the three distros I laid out. I deflected your question because you are looking to pick my brain and start an in-depth discussion, but I've reached a point in my research where I'm comfortable making a choice without any more guidance.
And, well, idk, I feel like my statements indicated I was looking for a good middle ground between a stable system that works smoothly and something I can crack open and break while tweaking - for the learning experience. I suppose that would really just boil down to fixed vs rolling release distros.
Fedora has lost my favor due to being a fixed release distro. After CachyOS was brought to my attention, and I researched it a little bit, it seemed to fit my desires pretty well. It's optimized for speed, which is perfect for games, and it's rolling release so I still get to feel like an uber haxx0r. Nothing against Fedora, it seems great. I want something a little further from my comfort zone.
Solus is appealing to me because it isn't based on anything else, and I love that it's a small team. Plus, the weekly updates thing they do felt like a good middle ground between how Debian-based and Arch-based distros work in terms of updating. But, I think I'll stick with CachyOS for now, I'm excited to use Arch btw.
HayadSont
in reply to VerilyFemme • • •First of all, thank you for that response!
No, I don't think that. I'd even challenge that notion as your query didn't start with a simple "What's best?" but instead asked for a comparison between three distros that were (somehow) selected by you. Please feel free to enlighten me on what made you even consider the premise of your above question. Though, as this is not that important to begin with, it's also perfectly fine to ignore that 👍.
If you lay it out like that, then; yeah, surely. However, it seems we fundamentally differ on what the essence of the matter is. And, perhaps I'm at fault for thinking this is a beneficial exercise to begin with. Regardless, I feel I at least owe you an explanation that goes over where I'm coming from:
Fundamentally, literally none of your original three distros serve you well for the purposes of "I’m starting to want to delve into my OS more to see what I can customize". Each one is pretty opinionated (by default^[Garuda is exempted from this through its KDE Lite offering.]) and -heck- both Bazzite and Nobara come with (highly) specialized tools required for system maintenance. This is because they've identified that there's a very serious disconnect between the freedom they'd like to allow their users and the (otherwise almost insurmountable) complexity this adds to how upgrades are managed. Bazzite trusts Fedora Atomic's tooling for this, while .
Being (highly) opinionated isn't necessarily bad. But it's undeniably easier to tweak/tinker/configure a more minimal system. Hence, you're better served by a lean install (with sane defaults). Thankfully, community members either recognized this and tried to sway you towards other options. With success*. Or, you were able to discern distros that better serve you from the communities' input. However it may be, both CachyOS and Solus are definitely better in that regard. Though, crucially, if the community strictly kept to discussing the original three distros and didn't go out of their way to venture into unexplored waters, then you wouldn't have arrived where you are right now.
Anyhow, all of the above could as well be disregarded the very moment you (hypothetically) state that your idea of customization is limited to the avenues KDE Plasma offers. Because, the original three are perfectly suited for that. So, your ideas on what tweaking/tinkering/customization entails is fundamentally linked to the distro that's most fit for the job.
And thus, I would distill the essence of the matter to be a clear idea on what kind of balance between "stability" and "customization" is envisioned as desirable by you. And, while at it, proper delineations of what is and isn't understood as stability and customization. Is the requirement of stability only satisfied if you can easily rollback to a proper working state? Or, is borking on a random update simply unforgivable? On the other hand, do you really want to compile your own kernel and install it? Or were you merely interested in KDE's knobs? Etc. etc.
Not necessarily, answering "Or…, like could you perhaps be more clear on what it is you’d like to tinker/tweak/customize in the first place?" would probably have been sufficient.
There's so much we could go over in the paragraph the above text is found, but I'll instead limit myself to just the above text. I find myself in a conundrum when you present that the above was implied and that (somehow) you came to consider Bazzite. While Bazzite is a lot more customizable than people give it credit for, I would not describe any part of the experience as "cracking it open". So, when met with an oxymoron as such, I literally have to ask for a clarification.
You've stated somewhere that you "Love the idea of rolling releases". So, if Solus passes as a rolling release distro ^[To be clear, technically, it absolutely does.], but has less uptodate packages than Fedora's previous release^[So I'm not even comparing it to Fedora 42 or Fedora Rawhide (i.e. its rolling release branch).]. Then, what is it intrinsically that makes it favorable as a rolling release? And I haven't even delved into why Fedora's release cadence is referred to as semi-rolling or how the latest updates to packages like GNOME arrive earlier in Fedora compared to even Arch. Btw, this is not meant as one big advertisement for Fedora. Instead, I want to point out the many many nuances that exist within the Linux landscape.
I agree that CachyOS is one of the better fits. And if you're not interested to check out Arch, EndeavourOS or openSUSE Tumbleweed(/Slowroll), then I can't even think of another rolling release worth considering for you.
I don't know why this would be preferred over a big team 🤔. Mind helping me understand this?
Btw, to be clear, Solus, as a project, is currently not very healthy. While it could compete with Fedora and openSUSE in the past, the last couple of years haven't been very kind to it. I'd propose the idea that the departure of its founder (i.e. Ikey Doherty) from the project has left it (relatively) visionless. And the turbulent times that followed made nurturing its community a great challenge. One, I'd argue, they weren't able to handle gracefully. Regardless, it's undoubtedly a shell of its former glory. This is also reflected by how relatively bare-bones its repository is. Or how absent it is within the discourse. Hopefully it will be able to bounce back after goodies from Doherty's latest project (i.e. AerynOS) trinkle down to benefit Solus. But, until then, it would be very irresponsible of me if I didn't discourage you from daily-driving it...
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in reply to HayadSont • • •See, this is what I meant. I deflected because my phrasing gave everyone else enough information that they could just suggest a distro.
I appreciate that you've clearly put thought into the recommendation you want to give, and I appreciate that you'd like to really understand what I'm looking for. But at the time of your original comment, CachyOS was baremetal on my machine. So, I've already picked what I want, and you're insisting I must explain in greater detail so that you may answer my question (already been answered).
The fact that you were insistent no one "delved into the essence of the matter." I didn't need them to, I was researching every OS that anyone mentioned.
They're all gaming distros, dude. I felt like that was evident.
I'm sorry this whole post discussion has not gone the way you wanted, but it's gone the way I wanted. And I believe I've found something that works for me.
But, in the end, it ain't Sophie's Choice. I have my important files on a thumb drive and a backup thumb drive with Pop!_OS in case I need to start fresh again. NBD.
HayadSont
in reply to VerilyFemme • • •Fam, with all due respect, and please correct me if I'm wrong, but I don't think you've 'properly' engaged with my previous reply. Don't get me wrong, it's your absolute prerogative to disregard/move-on/disengage/let-go especially if you're already moved on. The daunting task to read a wall of text concerning a subject you've internally closed/'solved' ain't everyone's cup of tea anyways. The reason I've brought this up, is because most of how I would respond to your latest reply is already contained within my previous reply 😅. As such, I will refrain from reiterating what I've said before for the sake of brevity. Instead, I'll try to strictly address the unaddressed. I'll also take the liberty to assume that you're not a fan of consuming long-form content. This will also be reflected in the remainder of this reply.
Suggesting a distro ain't hard;
CTRL+ click here consecutively to get a random stream of distros. Even if we would limit it to the union of gaming distros with (semi-)rolling release distros, there's a lot to choose from. As such, mentioning what's out there ain't impressive. But expertly navigating between them sure as hell is.Granted, suggesting a (new) distro wasn't even the objective. You wanted comparisons... Or, rather, I assumed you did.
It would probably have saved us both a bunch of trouble if you had been transparent/explicit about this. I can't read your mind nor do I like to assume stuff.
Please allow me to clarify that it wasn't entirely clear why these gaming distros were specifically selected, while others like CachyOS, ChimeraOS, DraugerOS, Jovian-NixOS, PikaOS and Regata OS were not.
Fam, I got literally no stakes in this discussion. Apologies if I made you uncomfortable (or something) by making you think otherwise. I was merely in it to help/assist/support/aid you to the best of my abilities. For this, I required more input so that I wouldn't have to succumb you under multiple walls of text. I didn't think asking you to answer "could you perhaps be more clear on what it is you’d like to tinker/tweak/customize in the first place? Please, if possible, be explicit." was unreasonable. But perhaps I was wrong.
I sure hope so, fam. I wouldn't want to see you return with your tail between your legs.
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in reply to VerilyFemme • • •I used Solus for years, it was actually my first long time Linux distro, and I have fond memories from that time and deep appreciation of the project. Note that I say used, because I have moved on (to EndeavourOS and later NixOS).
The reason why I moved on is the same as why I would recommend against Solus: the project have lost a lot of its core contributors. At the time I left there were no package updates for quite some time (used to be weekly).
I am not quite sure Solus really got a future. There are talks about converging it with AerynOS, former SerpentOS, which is innovative but still experimental software built by the original team, i.e. those that left Solus in the first place. Though they are really proficient in making the software, I do not think they have the same skillset for securing longevity through contributions.
In the end you should not care too much what people think. You will get the popular options for the intersection of Lemmy and Linux users, but popular is not always good nor what is right for you. Just try stuff and be ready to move a little through rigorous backups, you do have backups?
VerilyFemme
in reply to Urist • • •Hmm, thank you for your point about Solus. I was interested because it seemed the most interested in the desktop experience. But it does seem they're updating and getting back on track. I love the idea of a weekly rolling release for beginners who still need the idea to click.
I do have backups ;)
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in reply to VerilyFemme • • •They have even weekly updates on updates. Really great comminication towards users.
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