@Bernard I have not looked at that site and probably will not. I suggest you extract a claim that we can discuss.

I claim they are ice crystals. Their formation is well understood as explained in the link, why do you think tested science that pilots and regular folk can verify is not valid?

If you say they are chemicals then come up with a way to verify this, preferably some way that has already been done but if it is convincing enough I think the framer of the Final Experiment or someone else would make the effort to do the test if it can offer definitive proof one way or the other.

When wondering if a conspiracy is a false psy-op that makes people fearful or if it a real conspiracy that harms people ask the following question. "Can the harm be totally avoided by money or power?" is the answer is not 100% YES then it is a false conspiracy used to spread fear. While the globalist rulers are not very mentally right in the head I am fully convinced that they will not piss in their own well. I expect them to shout from the roof tops that someone is pissing in the well but they have no reason to poison their own resources.

So three easy tasks for you, pick a specific claim you want to debate, determine a way to detect those chemicals in the exhaust and figure out how someone could totally avoid breathing poisoned air with a platinum credit card or friends in high places.

@Bernard

"aluminum oxide, barium, strontium and whatever else they are spraying"

Aluminium oxide is detectable in almost any natural water body because it is an abundant element and a big portion of all clay or dust in the air.

Barium and strontium are rare but I don't think they are found in jet fuel.

The claim often made is heavy metals and this is a pretty short list with the popular ones being lead, mercury, cadmium perhaps uranium though that is in the radioactive category) None of these would be found in jet engine exhaust but piston engine planes still use ladded petrol/gasoline but the amounts of piston fuel used compared to jet fuel must be 1000:1 these days as big planes invariably use jet engines.

I am leaning towards you being a victim and I think with a little reading of rational explanations from whatever source and unhurried reflection you will be able to break the spell.

Brainwashing propaganda is very powerful. My elderly mother believed in chemtrails and I had to research them thoroughly to be able to logically counter every new crazy claim she read in the fan groups she found on facebook.

I am impressed by your ability to consider the alternative viewpoint even partially, it is a good sign.

@Bernard I do not need to see pictures or videos of contrails. I have witnessed them myself.

Look again at the Appleman Chart it will tell you why they do not melt. It is -30 degrees at those altitudes. It cannot melt. Ice will sublime if the humidity is low and persist and grow if the humidity is high.

The science is clear. The hype and fear mongering is irritating.

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Have you ever wondered why high flying aeroplane contrails sometimes appear to start or stop abruptly? Well you can feel comforted by the fact that it is a side effect of the conditions in the atmosphere.

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@Bernard So that you and I will think we are ideological enemies instead of targeting those who control the governments.

You link has the words "chemicals ... particles ... substances" to trigger the gullible and don't even have to say what they might be or even if they are real. The whole paper persumes the reader will be living in fear of the climate change hoax, if not then the main arguments are irrelevant any way.

I do not doubt that:
*Patents about geoengineering exist
*Testing has been proposed
*Trials may have taken place
*Techniques have been studied
*Effects have been modelled
*Contrail effects have been examined
*Contrail manipulation has been studied

I am well convinced that the linear cloud forms following planes are condensation trails and are not made using 'extra' chemicals.

The 'chemtrail' conspiracy is a cheap way to instil fear in the gullible and division in the resistance.

I cannot believe that spraying chemicals into the air we ALL breathe is part of the globalist goals.

The cost of adjusting flight altitude to manipulate CONTRAILS will be real but perhaps not too high but I cannot imagine any way that the effects could be tested or if they will make any difference.

The cost of spraying EXTRA chemicals to block the sun or whatever are probably more than humanity can afford and the rich and powerful would not allow it anyway, the fear will be allowed and promoted but the act will not.

@Bernard Controlling the weather with aeroplanes is doomed to fail. If it is implemented (which I agree is practically possible though not proven to perform as hoped) it will meet ever growing resistance and just one drought in a important farming region will result in the operation being compromised by radicals. Again that may be a goal and an excuse for rationing air travel with LARGE planes so only private jets will be allowed.

The issue that is ideological is using the REAL CONTRAILS plus a mountain of theoretical geoengineering and propaganda hype and fear mongering to 'prove' that CHEMTRAILS are real.

The fear aspect that is used is the baseless fear that poison IS coming from contrails.

Nothing about 'chemtrails' passes the smell test. The close links to the climate scam make it an almost certainty that it is bogus.

Bill gates is one of the worst globalists that is visible. Almost everything he says and proposes is bad in some way but not always in the obvious way.