Is KDE actually good or it is overrated? Or I was just unlucky because of prebuilt distros?
Hello folks. I use many distro from Debian to Fedora to OpenSuse and Arch. I also use many window managers like i3, dwm and qtile. On desktop environment, I use XFCE the most. Currently, I am looking to try something new, hence KDE.
I am looking for something with a beautiful UI and works out of the box. So, something on the same spectrum as XFCE but more pretty.
So, I tried out the distros with preinstalled KDE: Fedora KDE, Manjaro KDE, Kubuntu.
The good: KDE is beautiful and very easy to use. I actually enjoy using my computer more.
The bad: it crashes.. a lot even when I turn off all the animations. My system is not that slow: AMD 7 Pro with 64 GB of RAM. Some examples:
- Logging in, KDE hangs for 30 seconds. Even when I finally see the desktop, I would need to wait a further 10 seconds to finally able to interact, i.e. click and open stuff.
- After resume suspend, system would hang and there is nothing I can do except for a forced reboot.
- Browsing the web with only 3 tabs opened, KDE also hang.
As much as I hate GNOME, everything just works. I installed the GNOME flavors of above distros and never experience any hiccups.
If KDE works for you, do you use a preinstalled distro and which one? How about if you install KDE from scratch, like Arch?
Boxscape
in reply to mazzilius_marsti • • •Has largely worked fine for me on Tumbleweed.
There is/was an issue with launching some of the 'K' apps causing the desktop to hard lock. But this happens very rarely.
Haven't experienced problems like what you're describing though.
lemmeBe
in reply to Boxscape • • •Been using Tumbleweed as well. May I ask if you encountered these 2 issues:
Stumbled upon some github issues saying that it's a longstanding problem (since 2009 even), but I can't believe that people put up with it for so long.
I'm not even thinking of changing DE but this is annoying to say the least.
N0x0n
in reply to lemmeBe • • •This ia not distro related but GNU/Linux and a known "issue" for over a decade ! Everything gets into you ram memory and gets dumped from there into your USB storage device.
A long term solution would like to write a udev rule something like here:
unix.stackexchange.com/questio…
Solving the USB drive/mass storage stall issue
Unix & Linux Stack ExchangelemmeBe
in reply to N0x0n • • •Thanks! I'll try that out today!
Why quotation marks? Issue is an issue, decades or days old. 😄
Copying mechanism itself isn't an issue here; false reporting that something is done when it's not is.
N0x0n
in reply to lemmeBe • • •The question marks are because I read somethere that Linus himself doesn't see it like an issue by itself but more like a feature? And that's why it hasn't been resolved for soo long ! I can't exactly remember what he said but that's the gist !
But I do agree, I also see it as an issue :/ and most people who aren't aware probably fucked up some USB sticks that way...
Jerkface (any/all)
in reply to lemmeBe • • •lemmeBe
in reply to Jerkface (any/all) • • •It's an issue according to any UX pattern. If something says that it's done when it's not, it's misrepresenting the state of the action.
Hard to believe that modifying the counter to include the necessary time for actual writing to the flash drive would break everything. Target flash drives only etc.
System functioning as intended doesn't mean that it's a good UX.
Boxscape
in reply to lemmeBe • • •Haven't experienced either of those issues.
Have you tried to isolate KDE in those cases? Not sure how you'd do it with the deletion because there's no Trash for the terminal, but you could try the copy operation and see if your device is still blocked when it's finished in the terminal?
Those are both file operations so they don't strike me as strictly DE-related.
lemmeBe
in reply to Boxscape • • •Thanks for the info.
I tried installing PCManFM-Qt and deleting from there. Works as you'd expect, deletes instantly.
Did you have to add a udev rule or did it work for you out of the box? I'll definitely try it out!
Drito
in reply to mazzilius_marsti • • •For me the KDE crashes are a dealbreaker.
My Xfce setup is so simplified, that nothing can be ugly. I use Bspwm for the windows and stripped down Xfce panel (dont touch third party status bars, such as polybar, its waste of time if you already have Xfce). No menu such as Whisker menu, but Rofi instead. I got Xfce stability without the old looking.
Nanook
in reply to mazzilius_marsti • •photonic_sorcerer
in reply to Nanook • • •Mwa
in reply to mazzilius_marsti • • •Give Cinnamon/Budgie a shot, (I recommend in a vm and see which one you like)both are based on gnome(cinnamon personally its like a combination between gnome 3 ane xfce).
I have the same experience with kde personally(Like it crashes sometimes,looks dated,etc), and I decided to desktop hop to Cinnamon.
Yes I have Nvidia
stembolts
in reply to mazzilius_marsti • • •KDE Manjaro running on 4 or 5 of my machines, pure stability. It sounds like a hardware issue.
Here are my suggestions to diagnose this.
Option 1. Setup an ssh server, connect from a second computer (or phone via Termux), execute $journalctl -fe, and observe the journal from your second device when the crash occurs. That should help pinpoint the issue.
Option 2. If you don't have a second device, use a non-gui tty, access via Ctrl+Alt+F1. (Usually terminals are available F1 thru F6). Once again execute $journalctl -fe and observe it during the crash.
Tbh option 2 may just be easier especially if you have minimal knowledge of ssh. Good luck, ping me back if you find this helpful and would like more perspective, and apologies if this doesn't help you.
If the entire computer crashes, boot into a terminal and browse journalctl history of previous boots, sorry I don't have these commands off the top of my head but if you need them and ask I will get them for you.
easily3667
in reply to mazzilius_marsti • • •I think Linux nerds are clowns who don't understand that not everyone wants to learn what -xvf means just to extract a goddammed file.
Kde is solid and requires zero fuckery in my experience to work well. This is in fedora, suse, arch (endeavour), void.
nafzib
in reply to mazzilius_marsti • • •KDE just works on my machine, which is lower specs than yours. I've never had it crash. I use Endeavor OS, so it came with it by default (which was part of the reason I chose it).
Edit: I don't do much tweaking of the KDE settings other than the main color scheme. I also have never had an issue with waking from sleep on Endeavor (but I recall in years past that was an issue with most distros I tried and unrelated to KDE since I was less a fan of its style back then and didn't use KDE). My set up is a normal desktop PC that I use daily for everything, including gaming.