Random thought:
I think basically nobody agrees with my political perspectives because:
1. The left has a very narrow orthodoxy, and if you don't agree with it 100% then they claim to think you're a not-see. To anyone outside of the leftist bubble, this is self-evidently garbage.
2. The right has a tenancy to over-simplify problems and is attracted to "big hammer" solutions - like as if everything will be utopia if we just send the blacks back to Africa, take away women's vote, evict the jews, etc. The problem with these "simple" ideas is that if things were so simple, somewhere at some point in history, some country would have accidentally stumbled on them, thrived, and made them a universal standard.
If you approach things from a first principles perspective based on the assumption that governance is a hard problem and the best countries to live in today are already solving it as best we know how - conclusions and proposals end up being a lot different from anything that is typically discussed in the political arena.
Caleb James DeLisle
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Unknown parent • • •Nanook
in reply to Caleb James DeLisle • •@Caleb James DeLisle I agree with your takes on both parties. I'll add I think the people really in control aren't elected at all and switch loyalties to which ever party they feel has the most political capital they can exploit in the moment.
I want to get away from politics that direct 90% of our pie to fighting other parties over the largest slice and direct those resources instead into making more pie in an environmentally sound and sustainable manner.
For these reasons I've stopped voting for "parties" and each election I research each candidate and vote for the candidate that best aligns with my values and priorities.
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in reply to Caleb James DeLisle • •@Caleb James DeLisle I understand your take, but I see voting as a global obligation, if for no other reason than to dilute economic interests that are trying to steer us over a cliff.
But what we do here in the US affects the entire globe and really in today's world that's pretty much true everywhere.
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in reply to Caleb James DeLisle • • •What if we just send black women back to Africa?
Peter
in reply to ππ Humpleupagus ππ • • •>What if we just send black women back to Africa?
Then the dindus will be faggots or muh dicking White women.
The thing about a simple idea like Send Them Back isn't that everything is simple, it's that you have got to start somewhere. Like we're not going to dump Justice Clarence Thomas in amongst the savages, he can be mayor of New Chicago or something. But sending them back needs to become the default, can't co-exist with savages that literally want to kill Whites
Caleb James DeLisle
in reply to Peter • • •> a simple idea like Send Them Back
I'm not going to argue that it's BAD because MUH EQUALITY, that's leftist/emotionalism nonsense. That which produces better outcomes for more people is better - and it's uncontroversially true that the benefit to the 99% from the exclusion of the 1% violent criminals outweighs the interests of said criminals.
> you have got to start somewhere
I would however argue that this is a compromise, and it's not even a compromise with the left per-se, but rather a compromise with simple people who cannot understand complex topics and need simple slogans to rally around. I don't think you could even claim that it's *optimal*, so for me it's passΓ©.
> Like we're not going to dump Justice Clarence Thomas in amongst the savages
I don't think that's obvious at all. As we saw recently, the slogan "Deport All Illegals" gave us the rapid and violent deportation of Europeans who didn't have their visa paperwork in order, whilst Salvadorian gangsters who simply jumped the border illegally were released by corrupt judges using the excuse of human rights.
Every political program is a deal with the devil, and if you are not very precise in what you mean, you will find it used against your interests.
Hard Problems are hard, if they were easy they'd have been solved already...
Peter
in reply to Caleb James DeLisle • • •>corrupt judges
You're saying the premise doesn't work, but then you bring the broken judicial system into it.
[sigh]When we say Send Them Back, we're clearly omitting a big step. Do you really think some woman named Noogumbu Chipotle, appointed by Barry Soetoro (grew up in Indonesia) is going to the arbiter of who gets to stay?
Caleb James DeLisle
in reply to Peter • • •You don't get the benefit of an idealized world where things just work. If a proposal is to take flight, it has to work in reality, and reality is messy.
There are SO MANY ideas out there which would work beautifully if only the justice system was free of corruption. Even Communism would probably work, because the courts would weed out all of the corrupt officials from government.
But honest courts don't exist, they've never existed and they never will exist - because judges are people, and people are biased and subject to corruption.
But lets imagine you're going to bypass the judges and do this under martial law... You still have a problem because you have to decide exactly who you're throwing out.
Lets imagine (for argument) that you want to throw out blacks, jews, and everyone who came after 1964. That's probably like 100 million people. Those 100 million people are going to be VERY motivated to fight you. I mean like, they'll fight to the death. Then they probably have another 50 or so million friends who will be willing to arm and/or hide them (Will Stancil running guns). Don't laugh, throwing a box of AKs in the back of your Honda Fit and driving them somewhere is absolutely within the capabilities of the average libtard.
Now you've got 100-150 million people that are against you, so where are you going to find 100 million people who are willing to die fighting for you? The average white guy just wants to be left alone and raise a family, nobody wants to die for an idea of what might possibly be a new country. The math says no, the math says your idea flops. And this is why when you look through history, you find nobody has ever done anything like that before.
And the tragedy is, there are ideas that would have largely the same impact but very few people would seriously object to them. But nobody talks about them because they're complex, which means they're boring. Everybody prefers to just watch the same video clip of ICE deporting the same guy over and over again like as if watching it enough times is going to mean ICE is having some kind of meaningful impact (it's not).
Anyway, that's my rant... Β―\_(γ)_/Β―
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Partly true. In-fighting tells a different story & we fight the GOP. Some will say "yes" to anything. It's fear. Innovation doesn't come from D's. If you lump people together, per the norm, then nobody has a separate thought or incentive. It's Communism. We were stopped dead in our tracks by both parties. Rebuilding needs some "yeses & trust." Now, TS is more of the "yes" group. If you ask Trump a question or comment negatively, you will never get agreement, lol.
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in reply to Nanook • • •Caleb James DeLisle
Unknown parent • • •That does have historical precedent, but I don't think solutions even need to be this hard.
If you're clever, a lot of this stuff can be done at the city scale. You know I bang the drum all the time about criminal mischief insurance, but that's not the only solution.
Just look at what the Hasidic Jews are doing in that video by the Indian Poo Guy. I'm sure they're not actually violating the Equal Housing Act, it's just that anyone that's not a devout Jew is really not going to enjoy living in that town.
Here's a dumb idea: A town in the middle of nowhere and no grocery store except a private member-only cooperative. Anyone can live there, but they have to truck in their own food...
When you start thinking solution-oriented, solutions kind of just grow on trees...
Caleb James DeLisle
Unknown parent • • •I *think* there are some cities in the US which use Pinkertons, and they're super effective as you would expect.
A massive challenge though is Democracy, however you can probably eliminate the worst of its problems by having it be delegated voting - which is most likely legal (see: github.com/cjdelisle/Electoriu⦠)
GitHub - cjdelisle/Electorium: Delegated Voting System
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in reply to Caleb James DeLisle • • •Also (New Hampshire is working on this) voter ID. Making people prove official residency in order to get a voter ID cuts down on the out-of-state illegal voters.
BTW: If people have to prove residency to vote, you then know who to hold liable if they commit crime (the insurance thing) so that's a two-for-one.
Caleb James DeLisle
Unknown parent • • •A loop is treated as a bunch of votes for the person in that loop who has the most votes - excluding all votes in the loop.
There isn't really anything that requires dropping, but if there's are two disparate sub-trees then one of them is going to win, and the other one will not really have any say over who in the other tree wins.
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in reply to Caleb James DeLisle • • •Caleb James DeLisle
Unknown parent • • •Just searched "city hires private security", tons of articles, mostly journos crying. Seems to be pretty big...
Also remember gated communities, those are also a thing. Mix and match to accomplish optimal sorting...
Caleb James DeLisle
Unknown parent • • •Another Waco is unrealistic at this point, US is too close to outright civil war for the feds to try it.
> They'll build a high-rise and fill it with violent criminals
1. Zoning (every suburb has figured this one out already)
2. Civil liability for building owners that host people who do criminal mischief. So basically if you want to be a landlord and bring in criminals, you're going to have to pay to clean up what they damage. This completely flips the "build a high-rise and fill it with violent criminals" business model on its head.