North Carolina parents are charged with involuntary manslaughter after their son, 7, is killed a car accident while walking home, driver that murdered a child gets no charges


Not the first time this has happened either, here's another similar case in Atlanta: abcnews.go.com/US/mother-boy-k…
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in reply to Nanook

Car-centric society has made it damn near impossible to walk.

Those six blocks you used to walk have all had their lanes widened into stroads, one converted into a thoroughfare, and no attention was given to pedestrian infrastructure so crosswalks, sidewalks or bike paths are almost non-existent unless you're within 2 blocks of the school.

We have literally built most of our cities, or redesigned older cities that used to be pedestrian friendly and walkable, into a wasteland of asphalt and concrete designed exclusively for personal vehicles.

in reply to Nanook

Given the right bicycle it's pretty easy, but that's beside the point. The question is why don't people use bike lanes that seem pretty nice on the surface of it, right? There has to be a reason other than "bikes suck and nobody wants to ride them," because in some places people go everywhere on bicycles and they love it.

So what, really, is the main difference between those places and your town, if it's not the quality of the bike lanes?

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A vicious cycle happened. 24 hour news reports every child abduction basically in the country, making parents feel that they're more common than they are. Kids freedom starts getting restricted. There's less kids outside, so parents are less comfortable letting their own kids out, and kids have less incentive to go out. At the same time, the number of indoor entertainment options explodes. As they stop being seen outside, the world adjusts to life without them.... Less crosswalks, less bikeable areas, less parks. With so few kids being outside the house, the parents who still encourage their kids to play outside or go do things become the minority and law enforcement fucks with them accordingly, as in this story, making parents even more reluctant to let their kids out of their sight.

There's some resistance to this. Free Range Kids comes to mind. People see the problem and want to do something. But as you can see even in this thread, people have so accepted "kids should stay inside supervised at all times" as the norm that it's an uphill battle.

in reply to Nanook

your intent is NOT clear.

restricted in your ability to travel is totally normal and not tyranny. Drivers licences are smart, Pilot license make sense, dang are speed limits tyranny?

15 minutes cities is just a concept that all or most of the typically important services citizens need to survive and thrive should be within a 15 minutes of where they live without REQUIRING a car. Modern car dependent culture is the tyranny if anything, and 15 minute cities idea is a response to that

in reply to Nanook

I have literally never seen the idea of a 15 minute city being restrictive anywhere other than the ravings of Alex Jones tier wingnuts. Everybody who actually pushes the concept just thinks you should have a grocery store, a doctor's office, a library etc. near your house.

Edit: and don't get it twisted, nobody is saying you should be forced to relocate either, it's a guideline for urban planning.

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Nanook

@Horse {they/them} No I grew up in a time where we had relative freedom. If I wanted to go lay on the beach and enjoy the stars and the sound of surf at 2AM, I could so so, if I wanted to set off fireworks on the 4th of July I could so so, or pretty much any other time as long as I wasn't creating a nuisance. I could drive downtown on any street. Now beaches are closed after dark, no more fireworks, kind of funny that we don't have the freedom to celebrate our freedoms, but then the constitution may as well be used for toilet paper these days, downtown now half the streets are bus only and the other half are one-way. I don't understand young peoples total lack of desire for freedom.
in reply to Nanook

Has anyone ever actually said, "I think we should have all services within a zone of 15-minute travel, and we should restrict people from leaving their zone, and this is called 15 Minute Cities and I support that idea"?

"Having services readily available" is the entire idea. "You're not allowed to go to another area" is nonsense that someone else tacked on to the concept to make people hate it.

in reply to Nanook

I looked this up and found this information about it:

In its Local Plan 2040, Oxford City Council proposed installing elements from the 15-minute city urban concept in neighborhoods throughout the city over the next 20 years. These plans included proposals to improve accessibility to local shops and other amenities for residents so they didn’t have to always drive. Separately, Oxfordshire County Council announced traffic-reducing measures throughout the city, with infrastructure to encourage car travel around the city by using the ring road rather than already congested roads. Initial opposition to the plans led to proposals to introduce permit schemes to facilitate car travel at certain times, allowing car access to areas that the council planned to restrict to motorists.


First, the article says it was separate. Nobody said, "We are blocking everybody's access to this road because the goal of 15-Minute City is to restrict people and forbid them from leaving their zone."

Second, it was just traffic-calming. They put up some planters blocking roads to vehicles to encourage access by bike, pedestrians, etc. That's not restricting access, that is INCREASING access. By bikes.

They decided that a different, busier road was more appropriate for cars. How on earth does that equate to restricting access? So your car had to drive further, using a big busy road instead of a local quiet street - boo-hoo! This, to you, was a sign that the government wants to confine you to a 15 minute area and never let you leave?

Are the following measures, to you, a sign of nefarious "restricting access"?
- An ambulance can drive the wrong way down the street, but you cannot
- A bus can travel in a bus lane, but you cannot
- A commercial vehicle can park in a loading zone, but you cannot
- A vehicle with several people can travel in a special HOV lane, but you cannot if you are driving alone
- A toll bridge reads your license plate to check if you paid a fee to access that route, and charges you a fine if you did not
- The city takes out a vehicle lane to build a dedicated bike lane and plant some nice shrubs
- The city closes a street temporarily for a neighbourhood block party
- The city installs speed bumps on a quiet street
- The city builds a traffic circle at a quiet intersection
- The city puts up a sign limiting the speed you can travel
- A highway cuts through an existing quiet suburb, meaning your car cannot cross it on a quiet street; you have to use an onramp and get on the busy highway

All of those technically "restrict access" by your seeming definition. Well, at least by vehicle. Is it your assertion that private vehicles reign supreme, and if the government does anything to slow down, discourage, or increase the cost of vehicle travel, it means their future goal is to create walled mini-cities that folks can't leave?

Edit: also, you say that people threatened to hang the city council to get them to renege - are you proud of this? Your "side" is threatening to murder people if they don't govern the way they want, and that's just "being vigilant"? To prevent planters from being placed on a street? What the hell?

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in reply to Nanook

I don't see it as a cage at all.

I know my comment was long, but you haven't answered:

  • Why you think that the same people who advocate for services within 15 minutes also advocate for confining people within a certain zone as part of that goal - have they ever said so? Why would they want to do so anyway? What do they get out of it?
  • Why you think that traffic calming is a slippery slope to confining vehicles, or all modes of transport, within a certain zone, instead of just trying to balance the ease of access between vehicles and bikes, scooters, skateboards, buses, pedestrians, etc.

If you want to believe in a conspiracy, why not look at the ways in which the auto industry has suppressed other modes of transport, from inventing the term "jaywalking" to suppressing electric trams to building giant highways through poor neighbourhoods?