Is there any reason why there is no large generalist Lemmy instance managed from the USA? Is this just a coincidence?
Thinking about this lately, especially in the context of the UD elections getting discussed a lot all over Lemmy.
If you look at the top 20 instances fedidb.org/software/lemmy
- Lemmy.world and feddit.nl are Dutch
- Lemm.ee is Estonian
- Feddit.org, discuss.tchncs.de are German
- SJW and lemmy.ca are Canadian
- Lemmy.blahaj.zone, aussie.zone and Reddthat are Australian
- sopuli.xyz is Finnish
- slrpnk.net is Portuguese
- lemmy.dbzer0, infosec.pub, mander.xyz, programming.dev, lemmy.sdf.org are thematic
- Beehaw is USA-based, but defederated from LW and SJW and still on 0.18.3, so not sure they're even that interested in Lemmy anymore
Out of the top 20, there is Midwest.social and Lemmy.today but they are quite small (326 and 201 monthly active users).
On the other hand, a lot of other countries have their own instances
- feddit.uk
- jlai.lu
- feddit.dk
- szmer.info
- lemmy.eco.br
- feddit.cl
- feddit.it
With the USA population and the Internet presence of the USA citizens, you would expect at least one large generalist instance based in the USA, but it doesn't seem to be the case.
Any ideas what the reasons might be? Is this just a coincidence?
Edit: for Lemmy.world:
The website and the agreement will be governed by and construed per the laws of the following countries and/or states:
- The Netherlands
- Republic of Finland
- Federal Republic of Germany
FediDB, Fediverse Network Statistics
FediDB is a cutting-edge service providing detailed statistics and insights into the Fediverse network.fedidb.org
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in reply to Sundial • • •Which is ironic as the Ruud, the founder, is Dutch
fedihosting.foundation/lw-team…
It always surprises me that !politics@lemmy.world is specifically US-only. Why not !uspolitics@lemmy.world?
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Sundial
in reply to Blaze (he/him) • • •I did not know that .world was made by a Dutch person. Thanks for teaching me something new.
.world seems to have been the default instance people went to when they left reddit. It's more or less than mentality imported into Lemmy. This led to the fact that creating a US specific instance is not necessary. .world fills that niche enough.
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in reply to Blaze (he/him) • • •Easily the biggest, and US based.
Blaze (he/him)
in reply to Steve • • •Steve
in reply to Blaze (he/him) • • •Blaze (he/him)
in reply to Steve • • •The website and the agreement will be governed by and construed per the laws of the following countries and/or states:
- The Netherlands
- Republic of Finland
- Federal Republic of Germany
legal.lemmy.world/tos/
Also feddit.org/post/4529920/299941…
Is there any reason why there is no large generalist Lemmy instance managed from the USA? Is this just a coincidence? - feddit.org
feddit.orgabff08f4813c
in reply to Steve • • •Why did you think lemmy.world was US based? It's fully European.
But that's probably it - folks assume the instance that's for the whole world is the US-based one and don't feel the need to make another major US-based one.
Steve
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in reply to Steve • • •Ah, that makes sense. So the FediDB info seems to be wrong - I wonder if they got confused by cloudflare as per the other comment in feddit.org/post/4529920/299384… ?
Also, is there a way to let them know to update it? I guess someone could report an issue on github...
Is there any reason why there is no large generalist Lemmy instance managed from the USA? Is this just a coincidence? - feddit.org
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in reply to Blaze (he/him) • • •Isn't Lemmy.World based in the US?
Edit: huh. Netherlands.
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deegeese
in reply to Blaze (he/him) • • •I never missed a US instance because LW is so US focused I assumed it was the main one.
We don’t need a US instance, we need more users to support active local communities.
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in reply to deegeese • • •But then if any LW community are going to become US specific from now due to the political climate, should people not interested in that just move elsewhere?
Example: !nostupidquestions@lemmy.world , all the recent posts are about the US elections
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in reply to oce 🐆 • • •China, India, Africa and others will probably develop to the point of "producing as much media as the USA", but I highly doubt they'll simultaneously make a major shift to English for it
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in reply to oce 🐆 • • •Meanwhile international-english is the new latin... Even within India, the south insists to keep english as an official language, to avoid being dominated by more populous hindi-speaking north.
Alternatively LLM-translation may facilitate multi-lingual discussion, but in this case the language of software development may still be influential during such transition.
By the way - this is an important topic for future of lemmy, which should expand more towards the south - where's a good place to develop it (beyond such set of replies)?
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abff08f4813c
in reply to grue • • •With a tld ending like .world you'd think it's for the whole world, not just europe (.eu) or a specific country.
feddit.org itself is a bit of a curiosity since the .org doesn't make it obvious that it is German - but someone posted the full story of how feddit.de fell apart and feddit.org became the successor.
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Blaze (he/him)
in reply to abff08f4813c • • •Indeed. It always surprises me that !politics@lemmy.world is specifically US-only. Why not !uspolitics@lemmy.world?
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abff08f4813c
in reply to Blaze (he/him) • • •That confuses me too. I've never really understood that. Likewise, /m/news is for US news while world news goes into /m/world and US news isn't allowed.
Maybe that's another reason why folks thing it's US-based - because the magazines are clearly so US oriented. But I'm not sure how that happened.
On the brain bin for example it's PoliticsUSA - thebrainbin.org/m/PoliticsUSA
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Blaze (he/him)
in reply to abff08f4813c • • •Probably people creating the community soon after the instance creation
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in reply to Blaze (he/him) • • •I think a part of it is that english is just the default language and strongly leans american already, so there's just no demand for a USA instance and people just use the popular or thematic ones for that content. There's no advantage in laws to prefer US hosting.
The country ones make sense because they're also a different language, like jlai.lu in french, and the feddits for European languages.
Blaze (he/him)
in reply to Max-P • • •Feddit.uk, aussie.zone, lemmy.nz and other English speaking instances still exist
Good point about the laws.
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in reply to solrize • • •Lemmy.ml tankie censorship problem - Lemmy.World
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in reply to poVoq • • •Came here to say that. I wasn't covered by GDPR under spez's site - but luckily their policies treated me like I was anyways.
I moved to kbin.social - which was probably the 2nd largest after lemmy.world. Also, it was Polish.
What I liked about that was - as per my understanding - since these are hosted in the EU, the GDPR applies to my data here even if I'm not the EU myself and am not an EU citizen.
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Andrew
in reply to Blaze (he/him) • • •I looked up lemmy.ml out of interest (I realise you aren't classifying it as generalist). Anyway: it says that the server is in France.
Also, if you're able to lookup by IP instead of URL, you can bypass any CloudFlare confusion, and confirm that LW is hosted in Finland.
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The website and the agreement will be governed by and construed per the laws of the following countries and/or states:
- The Netherlands
- Republic of Finland
- Federal Republic of Germany
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in reply to Blaze (he/him) • • •Maybe this isn’t such a bad thing since the EU had better data privacy laws?
-USAmerican
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in reply to blibla • • •I was referring to the tendency of US citizens to overtake generically named communities like !politics@lemmy.world
If LW was managed by a US team, why not, but it's not so it just seems strange
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in reply to Blaze (he/him) • • •I would guess that most users are us americans despite them not managing the instance.
That's where i am coming from when i say, that it doesn't matter where the instance is hosted
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in reply to Nanook • • •I just want to say, you’ll be much better off if you forget about the points and try to ignore them. Taking all this to heart with such intensity will only stress you, since you can’t decide how others perceive you and your takes.
Just chill, participate and enjoy. Otherwise, what’s the point?
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