in reply to Nanook

Just a question: do you have womb?

Would you be ok if somebody started to rule how, when and if you use your penise?

And about the right to kill the born, what's your opinion?
You will certainly agree that if unborn have a fundamental right to live, then the born must have the same right, and by the way nobody has the right to claim a live

Abortion right is based on strong law rules (except in Christian Caliphate of USA), you can't reverse it with a meme

in reply to Nanook

Using your penis in the usual way could lead to a birth, then to a death
Anyway, you will give death to somebody by using your penis, dude

But you still don't prove that unborn are persons, and that's the point. Medecine consider that fetuses could be considered to be "sort of" person after 12 to 16 weeks, but if a doctor has to choice between saving the mother or saving a fetus, the fetus will be saved everytime

You are ok to impair right of actual persons in the name of virtual persons. That's probably explain why you trust in god and obey to pair pressure from long-time dead peoples

Anyway, you don't have a womb. So it's not your problem, otherwise i will teach you about the rights of your heart and liver

in reply to Nanook

Certainly, but what's your definition of human and inconvenience?
That's the point. Definitions based on facts and arguments, not "our fathers told us" or "the bible said"

Determining the moment when a parasitic fetus could be considered as a human is not only a medical problem, but a social one. The line between the rights of the potential mother and those of the potential born is part of the problem too

So, about "not killing for convenience"; does it mean that killing is allowed in other cases? Which cases?

in reply to Nanook

You can't prove that spirits exist
Bodies exist, feelings, reason, identity, morality and so on existence are proved, not spirit

Science, medecine and society to deal with spirits, but facts. Prove me that this rock has no spirit, then the right to live

Well first, explain me why spirits have "the right to live"
Explain me why spirits are tied to body the moment an egg is fertilized, too

in reply to Nanook

You don't speak about facts, only about ideas

A single neuron doesn't exist: neurons exist to be connected, a single neuron can be connected to 10000 other neurons and that's what making it special
You have neurons everywhere except in your hairs and nails, feelings are technically interconnected neurons sharing information about their environment, internal (skin, organs, even bones) or external (what we hear, see, smell, taste or touch)

So, we could define a person at biological level as "a neuron net and dependancies"
The fetus isn't connected to the mother neural net, it's a parasitic entity to the point of view of body (explaining why so many embryo never reach the fetus step: the body kill them)

In fact, nature practices abortion on a daily routine, it's estimated that between 50% and 90% fecundated eggs never end in a fetus. That's unwilling abortion, you should worry more about that

And about your picture: it's not a 12-16 weeks fetus. The only cases when abortion is practiced after the legal term is when the mother's life is threatened (and if the mother dies, the fetus dies) or if the fetus is already dead. So you're using a personal drama to your propaganda. Jesus is disappointed

Furthermore, MAGA boys claim the right to kill born following their own vision of right. So there's this question you didn't answered: if killing an unborn is a major crime, is killing a born a bigger crime?