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Katherine1
in reply to pixeldaemon • • •Nanook
in reply to Katherine1 • •provectus
in reply to pixeldaemon • • •vas
in reply to provectus • • •phoenix - A modern X server written from scratch
git.dec05eba.comNanook
in reply to pixeldaemon • •zarenki
in reply to pixeldaemon • • •Mir is a pretty notable example. In 2013, around the same time development on Wayland sessions was picking up for the other desktops, Canonical decided to try doing their own incompatible thing and designed their own display server system to replace X for the then-upcoming version of their Unity desktop.
Ubuntu switched from Unity 7 to Gnome 3 before Unity 8 and Mir were ready, leaving both projects abandoned by Canonical and handed off to the community. Long after it had already lost what little relevance it had, Mir eventually was converted into a Wayland compositor.
hexagonwin
in reply to zarenki • • •kragil
in reply to pixeldaemon • • •github.com/ValveSoftware/games…
Not that useful, but the answer is Yes.
GitHub - ValveSoftware/gamescope: SteamOS session compositing window manager
GitHubvas
in reply to kragil • • •Nanook
in reply to pixeldaemon • •@pixeldaemon Being old, (67), I am somewhat set in my preferences. At one time I primarily used Centos6 and Gnome-2, did not like Centos7 and did not like Gnome-3, then I discovered Mate which was basically Gnome-2 ported to newer versions of GTK and then Compiz which I really like but is finicky. When Centos8 came out it was so devoid of tools I liked and it was clear redhat was trying to dictate my workflow, I abandoned it in favor of Ubuntu as my workstation OS but I continue to use Ubuntu to this date.
But as I mentioned, I like Compiz, but under 24.04 the Canonical supplied Compiz was extremely unstable so I compiled from source and had been using that until I upgraded to 26.04, this had the unfortunate effect of upgrading some of the libraries my Compiz was compiled against such that the ABI's no longer matched and thus my Compiz no longer functioned.
So I decided to try the Canonical version again but found out their new version only had the configuration system used by Gnome and not that used by Mate built in. I went looking for source again and have not been able to find the complete source, so I guess I will use Canonical's source and just change the options to include the config options I need.
ليتني كوري شمالي
in reply to pixeldaemon • • •Yes, NeWS (Network extensible Window System) from Sun Microsystems but it hasn't been maintained for years and had commercial licensing fees, and DirectFB used in embedded systems.
And as others mentioned Mir from Canonical which now implements the Wayland protocol.
z3bra
in reply to pixeldaemon • • •There is arcan which is its own thing. I'm not aware of any mature application using it for the desktop though.
Otherwise if you assume that every wayland compositor basically endorse the role of a display server, there are plenty of them.
Arcan
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in reply to z3bra • • •Interesting! I can't believe I haven't come upon Arcan before. I looks as if it's approaching display servers and an evolution in management in a smart way.
TY
daggermoon
in reply to pixeldaemon • • •deadbeef79000
in reply to daggermoon • • •Second System Syndrome otherwise know as 'throwing the baby out with the bath water'.
X11 is old, extraordinarily old for software. As such, the problems it solves are not really problems anymore.
Rather than gradually evolving X11, into say X12, the whole thing got dumped on the trash pile and a brand new entirely incompatible thing called Wayland was started from scratch.
Replacing software with literally hundreds (if not thousands) of person-years of development devoted to it over it's lifetime is hard. Which meant that Wayland had an unfeasibly steep hill to climb, as such it's early days were tumultuous and it got a bit of a bad rap.
There is far more (qualitative and quantitative) history than will fit into this ~~margin~~ comment.
novafunc
in reply to daggermoon • • •Wayland wants to avoid problems that X11, Windows, and MacOS have. It deliberately avoids some "features" that application developers expect. A lot of it relates to security and privacy.
An example is that a window does not know where it is positioned on your screen and it cannot choose where to place its windows. Personally, I love this behavior. It means I can open an open and it opens in a consistent location (for most Wayland compositors, that's centered on the screen). But others don't like that. They would like the app to control where it opens; for some apps (a niche nowadays) you may have an application window and multiple more supporting windows, but on Wayland, they would all just get opened on top of each other rather than being placed around the main window.