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in reply to Feathercrown

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Nanook

 — (Shoreline, WA, USA)
@Feathercrown I live within 13 miles of a sanctuary city, I've seen the economic impacts first hand, no jobs, cities land values falling by 50%, tent cities everywhere, human shit on the sidewalks everywhere, fentynal overdoses everywhere. About the only thing that has benefited economically is that we can get cheep street drugs, oh that and hookers. But since I'm not into either, no benefit for me.
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Nanook

@untorquer Ok to be fair mostly commercial real-estate property values dropped 50%, single family homes, nope, but that's because instead of building single family homes, they are bulldozing them to build ugly apartment complexes, and then they wonder why families aren't moving to Seattle and nobodies having kids. You can't raise a kid in an apartment decently, Family Affair was 100% fictional.
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untorquer

People not having kids isn't because someone else came and took a minimum wage or less job, the drug trade, or shit on the sidewalk. It's because there aren't jobs that are widely accessible with pay commensurate with cost of living.

Don't be mad at immigrants for being exploited, be mad at the people exploiting them and the government which refuses to enforce cost of living wage or other social services such as, for example, healthcare and high quality public transit.

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untorquer

Step 1: "I can't pay you this much because [others] will do the work cheaper"

Step 2: "I'm going to higher you at a lower wage than you could expect before step 1. Please grovel at my feet for my benevolent charity"

"Basic economics" as an argument is ignorance of externalities.

You know we have wage regulation right? If you must use the law to enforce the "free" market then you could just as easily increase the already existing minimum wage.

If you don't believe in a cost of living based minimum wage that's a different conversation.

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Nanook

@untorquer@lemmy.Basic economics is a function of reality. If you wish to deny reality it's not going to result in anything good for you and perhaps not for people around you. Wage regulation doesn't work. Seattle is a glowing example of that. They raised their rates to the point where the majority of fast food restaurants folded their operations in town. Many grocery stores also had to close because it just wasn't economically viable to keep doing business there. Many corporations up and left not only the town but the state. Now most of downtown office space is vacant. And they're raising taxes more to pay for what all the free stuff they give to illegals on a shrinking revenue base because everyone legitimate is leaving. I left 45 years ago because I saw the writing on the wall.
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Nanook

@50501 If they came here and are living here without going through the proper vetting and going through the process to become a citizen then they are breaking the law. It is the job of ICE to find and return such people to the nation of their origin, or if they continue to break the law by returning illegally after being exported back to their home country, then they go to prison. US Citizens are entitled to due process, this is not true of non-citizens. Even so they are afforded some level of process just perhaps not the level that politicians in libtard states would prefer so they can keep their illegal constituents.
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orcrist

Apparently you have not read the Bill of Rights. It applies to all people in the country, not only to citizens. Everyone. Immigrants, you, me, all of us.

This is intentional. If the government could accuse people of being illegal aliens and "accidentally" deport them, it would be a civil rights disaster. This happened by the millions during the Great Depression, and it has also happened in small but real numbers more recently. Remember, the pigs love to lie. Every day, as much as they can. That's why courts exist.

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Maggoty

Everyone inside the borders is entitled to due process.

The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.

nor shall any person be subject for the same offense to be twice put in jeopardy of life or limb; nor shall be compelled in any criminal case to be a witness against himself, nor be deprived of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor shall private property be taken for public use, without just compensation.

In all criminal prosecutions, the accused shall enjoy the right to a speedy and public trial, by an impartial jury of the state and district wherein the crime shall have been committed, which district shall have been previously ascertained by law, and to be informed of the nature and cause of the accusation; to be confronted with the witnesses against him; to have compulsory process for obtaining witnesses in his favor, and to have the assistance of counsel for his defense.


Funny, I don't see the word citizen anywhere in there. If the government can declare a group does not have rights, then they can declare you a part of that group at any time. Our founders understood this.

Also ICE is currently arresting people at their USCIS appointments, where they're trying to do it the right way.

So with all due respect, fuck off with this shit take.

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Nanook

@Lumiluz Well it could be except that I've lived in the same area for 66 years so there is an ID trace from birth to current including picture IDs as I've aged, so yea don't think so. But I understand, you are one of those something for nothing typed and figure nobody else could possibly be legitimate, everyone must be on the take like yourself. projection I think is the term.
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