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Hypolite Petovan friendica (via ActivityPub)

With each new #Facebook scandal like the recent WhatsApp-related one, the #Fediverse welcomes a wave of new users and admins. #Friendica gets its tiny share of the newly converted to decentralized social media. Some stick, most don't, but there's always this one guy (it's always a man) whose first few messages on GitHub are to angrily complain that Friendica isn't user-friendly enough and that it is spelling doom for a project they didn't know the day before and for the #Fediverse as a whole.

This has been going on ever since I joined the project in 2016, and we're still here. 🤷‍♂️

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Michael Vogel friendica (via ActivityPub)

Yeah, staying polite can sometime be a real challenge 😀

But of course it is important to stay open for critics and new suggestions. But I think that we did it mostly well over the years.

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Nanook friendica
It was Facebook's nonsense that lead me to search for a more robust more censorship proof alternative and now running a Friendica node. It helps that I had all the necessary infrastructure already in place since I run an Internet hosting business. I tried diaspora and some others but didn't like the limited message size or comment sizes which restrict decent discussions. Topics that are complex can't be expressed in 4k bytes or shorter snippets and sound bites that just cheer one's side don't have a prayer at arriving at a real solution. Friendica supports these longer conversations which is what I like about it though I'm not 100% happy with the user interface.
utzer [Friendica] friendica (via ActivityPub)

@Hypolite Petovan joined as a Programmer or as a user?

When did @Michael Vogel join?

How did you two happen to start programming for Friendica?

Nanook friendica
@utzer @Michael Vogel @Hypolite Petovan at this point the only programming I've attempted is working on creating a new theme. I'm pretty happy with friendica save for the user interface so that seemed the place to attack.
Nanook friendica
@Michael Vogel @utzer [Friendica] @Hypolite Petovan I did fix the free memory calculation error in friendica where it was using Linux's free rather than available, the former basically useless since any memory not used for something else ends up being disk cache so free always approaches zero. I could be more useful if I knew PHP significantly or knew how to use github better. But I'm not dead yet so maybe some day.
Hypolite Petovan friendica (via ActivityPub)
For myself, both! I first installed Diaspora late 2016, but I grew frustrated of not being to contribute to Diaspora and through Diaspora podmins, I heard about Friendica, GNU Social and Hubzilla. I installed all three, and finally decided on Friendica as my social and programming home.
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Hypolite Petovan friendica (via ActivityPub)
My initial gripe wasn't that Friendica would somehow be user-friendly, it most definitely could use some improvement in that department, and I'm sorry about that. But you made it, congratulations! And unless you're the person I'm thinking about, you didn't complain to us all the way through!
Nanook friendica
@Chad Walter Cummings @Hypolite Petovan In MyView anything that takes traffic away from Farcebook is worthwhile.
Hypolite Petovan friendica (via ActivityPub)
Excellent, feel free to reach out for any question you may have.
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Nanook friendica
For what it's worth video scraping isn't working on Bitchute now IF you use the video BBcode, but if you use the Link it does. For youtube, it is not working with either.
utzer [Friendica] friendica (via ActivityPub)
@Robert Dinse yes, if you know how to fix it then that would be very welcome.
Do either of those services provide embedding HTML header infos?
Nanook friendica
@utzer these worked when I first put my friendica node up, died sometime in December.
utzer [Friendica] friendica (via ActivityPub)
@Robert Dinse yes, much of the embedding died lately. I see many links without any preview text or picture in my stream.
utzer [Friendica] friendica (via ActivityPub)
@Chad Walter Cummings instead of postfix it is surely easier to use msmtp. Just if you ever need smtp mail again on a Linux server.
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Nanook friendica
@utzer @Chad Walter Cummings Personally, I use and much prefer postfix.
utzer [Friendica] friendica (via ActivityPub)
@Michael Vogel wow, so you and @Tobias are here a long time.
utzer [Friendica] friendica (via ActivityPub)
@Tobias @Michael Vogel campfire on Jitsi has to do...
Pierre Bernardeau unkn (via ActivityPub)
@Hypolite Petovan not friendly enough ??? Maybe because there is no mobile app with annoying notifications on iPhone. I am trying to explain to my friends why notifications are bad in our lives. I have to write something about that. If you want to try something not friendly, join me on freenet ;)
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Hypolite Petovan friendica (via ActivityPub)
They obviously had very high expectations coming to Friendica that we didn't meet, and thought it was a good idea to tell us about it in a condescending manner. 🤷‍♂️
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Nanook friendica
@Pierre Bernardeau @Hypolite Petovan, I would not make apps, they are controlled by app stores and that would control content. What I would do is add a Groups capability, I would add posting within the "Community Page", I would add the ability to upload and store videos natively, and hopefully at some time video scraping will get fixed.
Pierre Bernardeau unkn (via ActivityPub)
@utzer @Chad Walter Cummings Just is over Ed msmtp this week. I wonder how I didn’t find out this wonderful piece of software earlier.
tallship misskey (AP)

Yeah I've been seeing those types my entire life. It's not just the Fediverse, or Friendica.

What I've also noticed about those people is they seem to complain the loudest when they wish for something to be improved, but expect that someone else should do it for them for free.

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Hypolite Petovan friendica (via ActivityPub)

To be frank, I'd rather not. Over the years we've received similar reports and complaints about the same areas of Friendica, install (un)ease, confusing and/or dated interface, poor onboarding, sporadic and heterogenous documentation.

So we absolutely know the pain points of using Friendica, including because we use it ourselves, but these are domains that aren't very gratifying to work on for most of us core developers, so we don't spend much of our limited volunteering time on them and they simply don't improve as a result.

So we don't need someone else to point out what is painfully obvious for us. Of course we always welcome respectful feedback, but at this point we don't necessarily need additional feedback about Friendica's user-friendliness or lack thereof.

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Nanook friendica
@chillzard✔️ @Hypolite Petovan I hope I made mine clear. Biggest issue I've had with people I've introduced to it is they have a difficult time finding posts initially and the community verses home is confusing. And then local verses network is going to be confusing to people not familiar with a federated network. Content discovery I understand because I've used other sites where you have to go and find people you are interested in but many people are used to having it pushed to them ala Farcebook. Obviously doing so introduces undesirable biases into the equation which is why I did not suggest it.
Nanook friendica
@Hypolite Petovan @chillzard✔️ Actually having tried Mastodon, Diaspora, ELGG, and Minds, I found this the easiest install of the lot.
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utzer [Friendica] friendica (via ActivityPub)

@Robert Dinse important as a admin is to use Relays and add some tags for the server to follow.

For the users it is important to
1. Write a newhere (make that a tag too!!) post with as many words as tags as possible. Do not make it look spammy, but include up to 10 tags of things you're interested in.
2. Follow all those tags after you sent the post, ie. click on them and add them by the plus in the right upper corner. There might nothing be shown there, but in the next days it will change. As the server (at least when properly configured) will receive posts tagged with these tags.
3. Follow anyone that seems remotely interesting. I they turn out to be not interesting then unfollow again.

I think these are very important for starters.

Nanook friendica
@utzer Thank you for the suggestions. 😀
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Anubis2814 friendica (via ActivityPub)
I think I first tried it out in 2019, it was still having issues. I just waited and then tried maybe half a year later in intervals until it reached a point that it got to my level of standards and then made tutorials for it so that others could understand what I didn't before. I feel like last year was when it reached its real stride. It may be counterintuitive to the casual user, but it's like the difference between adobe photoshop editor and to other social media platform's Microsoft paint because its filling all the niches of social media. It is all the social media platforms ever created combined into one. I love that I can make recommendations and have them taken seriously even though it may take a while because the developers are working for free or from donations. I'm always looking forward to seeing what new feature comes out now in the quarterly upgrades.
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Anubis2814 friendica (via ActivityPub)
I think part of it is they are used to dealing with giant faceless corporations that will never actually listen any way. I know that once i got very detailed feedback and extra questions on github it boosted my feeling of community engagement. There aren't elites who cntrol our online experiences at a whim or for more ad revenue, they genuinely care about making it a good experience and act like they don't know everything and see a new good idea when they hear one but also know if its doable or not at this stage. Not also being condescending is one of the developers biggest strong points. Also app development especially apple apps probably requires a different skill set than building this site
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Hypolite Petovan friendica (via ActivityPub)
You're absolutely right, mobile apps development requires a wholly different skill set than the Friendica website or API.
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Marco R. friendica (via ActivityPub)
App development for Apple requires also a MacOS Computer and GPL software cannot be used (incompatible with Appstore rules).
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Hypolite Petovan friendica (via ActivityPub)
Hubzilla was confusing to use, even for me, and the theme was severely outdated. Friendica was simpler to use, and @Rabuzarus had the frio theme going that won me over for Friendica.
Nanook friendica
@Hypolite Petovan @Rabuzarus @Michael Vogel @utzer @Claes Wallin 🇸🇪🇭🇰 Well now that I am running one of each I feel better qualified to speak to both. Hubzilla has a dark mode that in my view hands down beats ANY of the themes available for Friendica in terms of aesthetics. In terms of difficulty of use, there is more "stuff" in hubzilla so initially it is more difficult to find your way around. Installation wise hubzilla is hands down FAR easier to install, it's a pure PHP app, no perl, no ruby, no java, just PHP which means no necessity of a reverse proxy, etc. In terms of efficiency, friendica is a major win, hubzilla makes a lot of sequential accesses to database instead of selects, I had to do some tuning of mariadb to get it to handle the load which peaked at over 400 transactions per second. Never seen anything like that with friendica. Hubzilla's scraping is even worse than Friendicas, basically non-existent. Hubzilla's search feature for other users seems to work better. Hubzilla's channels is a feature Friendica could really use. So all in all they are different, they both have their place.

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