With one of the largest instances closing shop (lemm.ee), should we be worried about the longevity and growth of the platform?
Lemm.ee closing down has me concerned about the way things are heading. Is lemmy still healthy and growing, or is this a sign of things to come?
LandedGentry
in reply to Sparrowette • • •No. It's mostly due to personal/personnel matters.
But it's a reminder to folks to not bring that shit from reddit where you scream at mods and admins all the time. When you post flagrantly illegal shit it's their asses too (some instances have their own interpretations of these things, so learn them!)
These are often unfunded volunteers begging for donations to provide a service for the rest of us. Be grateful and don't add to their list of problem. Don't go on witch hunts, don't put mods and admins on blast because you don't like their rules (saw this yesterday), don't be an entitled ass. Appreciate what we have and make their lives easier. This whole project is a gift.
krashmo
in reply to LandedGentry • • •LandedGentry
in reply to krashmo • • •krashmo
in reply to LandedGentry • • •LandedGentry
in reply to krashmo • • •flandish
in reply to LandedGentry • • •LandedGentry doesn't like this.
LandedGentry
in reply to flandish • • •And there it is - someone with a specific bone to pick because of a perceived slight or reacting to a bogeyman they assume is happening all the time. You are likely part of the problem.
If you get mad at a community or instance, then leave. No one is forcing you to stay. Yes power tripping jannies are real. Yes people get banned for bad reason. Just move on. You're not going to win some grand crusade for the internet.
No. It isn't. If you're wrong, you're being an ass. If you're right, why would they give 2 shits what you have to say? You're escalating things for a minuscule chance that maybe you'll do something positive. Mostly it's just neutral or negative results. Most likely you are being the problem.
flandish
in reply to LandedGentry • • •LandedGentry
in reply to flandish • • •Do you think that most instances of users fighting with mods and admins are over "legitimate criticism"? Pretty big "if" in my experience. In that case of course you're right, but you're missing the nuance of what I'm saying here and acting as if I would oppose that, which I don't.
flandish
in reply to LandedGentry • • •LandedGentry
in reply to flandish • • •Of course it's case by case, but generally speaking, I find the mods/admins are usually in the right lol
I'm on zip so idk about other instances, but I do not think I can message a whole mod team here.
Nanook
in reply to flandish • •flandish
in reply to LandedGentry • • •LandedGentry
in reply to flandish • • •Again, I know it happens. I am not pretending it doesn't. Some mods/admins fucking suck.
Yesterday a dude got mad because he "wasn't allowed to hold a different opinion of [issue] on [instance that is hostile to this thing]." Does that sound legitimate to you? He put the admins of the instance on blast after a mod banned him from a specific community. Didn't even attack the right people. He was violating the rules, starting shit, and couldn't accept it. This shit happens constantly
Let's also not gloss over he accused them of punishing him for a (framed as) privately held opinion that he insisted on arguing with people about
An admin had to take time out of their day to bring screenshots of mod logs showing this dude was full of shit before he riled up a pitchfork mob. All because this guy couldn't accept he wasn't allow to break the community rules.
flandish
in reply to LandedGentry • • •re point a: if the rules of the instance are not followed, of course mod action is legit. that guy was a douche it seems.
i think mods of nsfw instances also deserve certain praise; modding that stuff must be … ugh. especially since the instance could be on a 486 in someone’s bedroom. having ran newsgroup servers back in “the day” - turning on anything “alt.bin” was .. not advised.
LandedGentry
in reply to flandish • • •flandish
in reply to LandedGentry • • •i had content recently removed for “advocating violence” (iirc it was when i suggested criminal charges for all shareholders of corps who do violent things like allow death when choosing profit over people, yadda yadda.) No example of what the offending remark was and I could not find the old comment to manually review or correct or apologize. in this case I messaged a mod. no reply yet. was it a legit removal? probably certainly! was it poor “customer service” to not follow up with me? probably. does it make me confused as to what the line is there and therefore distrust that community? certainly.
anyway yeah. so the feedback loop could be improved. mods could be more human. and commenters could be less dicks all around! 😀
LandedGentry
in reply to flandish • • •Nanook
in reply to flandish • •@flandish @LandedGentry I simply offered my site as a potential option for those losing access to the site going down. In response to this I get 50 some odd dislikes and two SYN floods.
Unlike the admin of the existing site, I DO have a thick skin having been in the game since well before Linux existed.
But the environment would be so much richer and better if everyone didn't act like 13 year olds on a testosterone rage.
Corgana
in reply to LandedGentry • • •Not trying to victim blame or anything, but I find it hard to believe that someone operating a low-moderation instance would truly expect people who don't like moderation to stay away.
Don't get me wrong I agree with your sentiment and dislike that behavior, but what I'm saying is that asking or expecting users not to go on witch hunts or to behave in a certain way is a fool's errand that will always lead to burnout. A more sustainable approach for admins and mods is creating space for what they want to host and not trying to control what they don't.
LandedGentry
in reply to Corgana • • •Nanook
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