@cranston I don't question that there were planes, I question whether or not the planes caused the buildings to come down. Too much weird shit to blame on planes, they fell symmetrically, cars six blocks away were melted even though people immediately in the vicinity were not, and for that matter paper in cars with melted metal did not combust, some of the effects on the metals in the building strongly resemble Hutchison effect (which I've seen in person, met John Hutchison at a lecture at U-of-W and got to examine some of his artifacts). Just a lot of strange things there altogether.