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updated the post to remove dupes. most of them are just default firefox connections but they also added there own:

floorp-update.ablaze.one
blog.ablaze.one
support.ablaze.one
docs.ablaze.one

and even more:

unsplash.com
twitter(.)com
www.amazon.com
www.reddit.com
www.facebook.com
www.youtube.com
www.google.com
raw.githubusercontent.com

tldr on first look worse than default firefox. if you want an actual private firefox fork use tor browser, mullvad browser or librewolf. i do hope firefox will add that sidebar.

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@DarkMahesvara well, they connect to Mozilla shit because they are, ultimately, a Firefox fork.
They also connect to their own shit because there are the updates and their "blog" on the tabs, etc. But, by their own privacy policy, they don't track users, and they have disabled all Mozilla's user tracking and telemetry, so they are a bit better than default Firefox.

As for the weird sites it is connecting, checking here, usplash is used for the wallpaper in the newtab (and can be removed), and I have no idea why you're seeing twitter and reddit connections or shit like that, I've seen nothing here.
One thing that they add and that may be deemed as "bad" is a "sponsored" button in the default new tab. But it's clearly marked as such, it's only one (all the others, including Amazon, are sites I tend to use often and so they were put there because I synced my shit with Firefox Sync).
Also, I should point that I could click on an option in the button and select "dismiss", and it removed the sponsored link, and didn't come back even after closing it and reopening.

It also doesn't advertise itself as a "privacy focused browser". It's only "Firefox with saner defaults, also we don't sell your data, and we added some cool shit that the Mozilla retards don't want to add".

discuss.privacyguides.net/t/fl…

As for the "privacy shit", Tor browser is designed to run just under Tor, and Tor is not designed to be used with the regular web if you care about your privacy).
LibreWolf sucks, and in the end it's just "Firefox with saner defaults and delayed updates".
Mullvad looks OK, but IDK if I trust a "privacy focused browser" made by a VPN company.
In the end, this "muh privacy" bullshit looks more like snake oil to sell VPN plans and associated crap than something really worth pursuing. The point is that if you really want to stay secure and private, you'll only use Tor and only access Tor sites, if you're on the open web you are screwed, and the most you can do is to avoid sending all your data to megacorps on a silver plate (but they'll get it by other means), so I'll just stick with whatever at least has nice features (and Floorp, despite it's stupid name, manages to mix Container Tabs, which is an awesome Firefox feature, with sidebar tabs, which is an awesome Vivaldi feature, so as far as I'm concerned, it's the perfect browser).

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>by their own privacy policy, they don't track users

so they claim. only traffic inspection could really rule that out

>have no idea why you're seeing twitter and reddit connections or shit like that

most likely because they show those at the homepage as a icon and pull the favicon. avoidable

>it also doesn't advertise itself as a "privacy focused browser"

"A Browser build for keeping the Open, Private and Sustainable Web alive. Based on Mozilla Firefox."
EDIT: maybe not focused but no2 of there three selling points.

>As for the "privacy shit", Tor browser is designed to run just under Tor, and Tor is not designed to be used with the regular web if you care about your privacy).

if it wasn't "designed" for clearnet then they would not allow it and allow JS by default. there is no law that you can only allow 1 browser ofc don't log in your bank on tor.
EDIT: you are right that tor, the network initially wasn't designed for clearnet. however tor browser itself very much is. ofc its weaker than staying within the tor network.

>LibreWolf sucks, and in the end it's just "Firefox with saner defaults and delayed updates".

updates are on the same or within a day. its not simply "saner" but it actually removes firefox bloat like pocket, all tracking (0 connections not like floop) and enables many feature used in tor such as ResistFingerPrinting also UBO by default.

>Mullvad looks OK, but IDK if I trust a "privacy focused browser" made by a VPN company.

code is open, they work with the torproject and you don't need to user there VPN to use it.

>sell VPN plans and associated crap

the only thing they sell is there 1 5$ vpn plan. they aren't proton with dozens of side hustle.

>The point is that if you really want to stay secure and private, you'll only use Tor and only access Tor sites

no, nuance exists. simply use different browser with different thread models e.g. tor for searching and general light browsing and others for more normal or IRL browsing.

>manages to mix Container Tabs, which is an awesome Firefox feature

container tabs are redundant for privacy since total cookie protection is enabled by default and all other browser data is isolated.

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@DarkMahesvara >container tabs are redundant for privacy since total cookie protection is enabled by default and all other browser data is isolated

I don't care about privacy, I want to be able to log in with multiple accounts on the same site with the same browser window, organize better my shit and be able to easily hide and get back groups of tabs. Container Tabs give me that.

>its not simply "saner" but it actually removes firefox bloat like pocket, all tracking (0 connections not like floop) and enables many feature used in tor such as ResistFingerPrinting also UBO by default.

Except they still have Mozilla connections, same as Floorp (even though they say it's "just the connections they think are harmless"). Floorp also has pocket removed. It also has uBlock Origin by default. And it also has ResistFingerPrinting (which in my case is disabled because fuck light mode).
It also has a bunch of user.js files for more privacy spergery.

The point is that everything Librewolf does you can do in Firefox, Librewolf is an useless project which is only worth it if you care about defaults. Ooooh, it comes with uBlock Origin by default, it's so private and secure, it avoids me the chore to go to the extensions menu, find UO and install it.
Conversely, most things you have in Floorp (everything privacy-related) you can also do in Firefox. But it has some neat interface customization options (including the sidebar) that aren't available on Firefox (and that, due to their nature, make fingerprinting easier, since you want your browser to be the same as everyone else for fingerprinting avoidance, if you have a set of unique options you'll be tracked).

Either way, the only sane option is Firefox with user customizations to remove crap, bloat and telemetry, everything else is a meme.

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>Except they still have Mozilla connections

no. here they are:

blocklists for UBO:

pgl.yoyo.org
curbengh.github.io
malware-filter.pages.dev
malware-filter.gitlab.io

addons:

versioncheck-bg.addons.mozilla.org
services.addons.mozilla.org

empty request:
push.services.mozilla.com

>It also has a bunch of user.js files for more privacy
most likely arkenfox.js which is developed with and from people working on librewolf :shrug:

>The point is that everything Librewolf does you can do in Firefox
more or less. if you recompile it and remove the things and change things....so just like any other fork lol

>Librewolf is an useless project which is only worth it if you care about defaults
so almost like a "privacy focused browser"? don't see your point it would be like calling floop useless project that is only worth it if you care about sidebars.

>it's so private and secure, it avoids me the chore to go to the extensions menu, find UO and install it.

stop acting retarded. we both know thats not the only thing.

>Either way, the only sane option is Firefox with user customizations to remove crap

true if only there was such a software. some might call it even a privacy focused fork...

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@DarkMahesvara >true if only there was such a software.

There is. It's called "Hardened "Firefox". And you can harden it by yourself, or using a user.js like Arkenfox, which you mentioned (which, BTW, is not "developed with and from people working on Librewolf", Librewolf just uses Arkenfox and then changes some stuff that they think is better). Nothing that Librewolf changes requires recompiling, it just requires you to do the changes manually.
That's why I'm saying Librewolf is only worth if you care for defaults, like having UO installed by default instead of doing it yourself.

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> (which, BTW, is not "developed with and from people working on Librewolf"

"LW exists only because AF exists, and because I bitched and fxbrit listened and we have worked together behind the scenes for over a year" - Thorin-Oakenpants (creator and main maintainer of arkenfox)

github.com/privacyguides/priva…

>Nothing that Librewolf changes requires recompiling

hardcoded feature like pocket do

in reply to DarkMahesvara

@DarkMahesvara it's funny that you mention this github pull request, because in it they are refusing to include LW on the privacyguides wiki for the same reasons I pointed, and, in fact, it's still not listed there, they recommend you to just cut the middleman and use Firefox and configure it yourself.

privacyguides.org/en/desktop-b…

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@DarkMahesvara the whole fork for the sidebar is there because Mozilla devs are retards and they haven't put the fucking sidebar even after people have repeatedly asked them to do so. People have been asking for it since before Vivaldi released with it, and checking here, Vivaldi has been a thing since fucking 2015.
Granted, they have some other customization options that are more involved than what Firefox has, but this is pretty minor.

But still, between having a sidebar and using arkenfox+UO, only one of these two things is not possible with default Firefox.

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@DarkMahesvara I'm not complaining about "unfucking the original". The original is not fucked. The original just needs some hardening, which is something easily done by the user through configuration and extensions. There is no need for a pointless fork just to add default settings.

The retardness of the original comes from the lack of features. Which there is a project that solves. And this project is not Librewolf.

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@DarkMahesvara what the fuck are you talking about?

I showed a browser with a cool feature, and you came here sperging about privacy retardness that no one cares about, shilling snake oil VPNs and pointless projects no one uses.
Dude, if I want a secure and private browser, I already use one, it's called "Firefox", and it doesn't have pocket or any other bulshit like that because I'm not a retard and I know how to configure it so I don't need some third party dev to create a browser with saner default for me.

Privacy spergs are almost as retarded as FOSS spergs with their stupid purity spirals. No one with a job cares about half of this shit.

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@DarkMahesvara even then, your "critic of one of it's main points" is asinine, because it also removes pocket and uses the arken js, so it's the same shit.

And Librewolf is completely pointless. Privacyguides also thinks it's pointless. The only situation where it is not pointless is if you are a retard who cannot configure anything by yourself, and in that case it would be better for everyone if you didn't use the internet.

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@theorytoe
>"open source" is not a bulletproof

next you will tell me seat belts aren't 100% protection :teio_shock:

>I would go as far to argue that open source software and proprietary software are neither more secure than the other.

obviously just because the code is not open to see its not instantly insecure. its the transparency that makes it more secure or at least the resulting accountability and possible way to catch it which with closed source its more or less impossible.

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DarkMahesvara

@theorytoe

>but every time I see you talk about ""open source"" you claim it to be 100% bulletproof

doubt it. since you seem to be such a avid follow of all my posts you welcome to proof otherwise

>mfw openssh

mfw the hundred of times seat belts don't work :soy2:

>also mfw most reverse engineers and security researchers probe binaries and objects files for locating holes even in open source projects

im aware hence the "more or less". reverse engineering every binary vs seeing every pull request. wonder what is easier to do since you seem to mention that nobody takes the effort to verify the code :thinkinghrr:

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@s8n @theorytoe @DarkMahesvara >it's worse than firefox
Citation needed. All we have is a sperg complaining about icons and shilling shitty browsers.
It has the same privacy as hardened Firefox.

No one cares about privacy to the same level as you retards. As theorytoe said, if you drop a sledgehammer on your router and disconnect from the internet you won't get any extra connections.
As an added bonus, you'll spare everyone from your spergery.