What do you guys think about RHEL 10 adopting RDP instead of VNC or Spice?
RHEL 10 announced that RDP would be the preferred alternative to VNC. Red Hat replaced Spice with VNC in Red Hat 8 due to licensing issues with h.246. VNC is under featured and basic compared to both alternatives. Spice uses proprietary h.246 which caused disputes with licenses. RDP is proprietary to microsoft but has a few foss implementations.
just_another_person
in reply to potentiallynotfelix • • •VNC is outdated and outmoded.
Spice is, firstly, no longer developed, but second, not widely adopted.
RDP is open, has pluggable authentication, transport encryption, and an extensible backend.
Kind of a clear winner there.
Luke
in reply to just_another_person • • •Spice is slow as fuck too. It was so agonizing using my Windows VM (for Affinity Publisher) on Gnome Boxes because it requires Spice tools since the networking isn't bridged by default for whatever reason and you can't enable it without a bunch of fucking around, so network shares don't function. Everything is done via Spice WebDAV, which gets disconnected every couple of minutes, freezing the VM filesystem while the Windows VM figures out wtf to do with itself and reconnects everything. It's atrocious.
Eventually I spent the time needed to fiddle with the VM in Virtual Machine Manager and set up bridged networking. Now I can use normal network shares and it's so much faster and more reliable.
I know this thread is supposed to be about the remote access parts of it, but Spice is damned annoying, in my experience. I don't even want to be using a Windows VM anyway, the last thing I need is slow file sharing with my host OS.
ikidd
in reply to potentiallynotfelix • • •RDP is very well developed and an open standard. I don't have a lot good to say about Microsoft, but RDP is one of their wins. It's blazingly fast compared to any other remote desktop protocol and there's an extremely full-featured client for Linux in FreeRDP that can be used at the CLI or with one of the various wrappers for it.
If every distro just shipped and supported it for their desktops, it would make life much easier than knitting together the current underperforming patchwork of solutions for Linux.
Nanook
in reply to ikidd • •jrgd
in reply to potentiallynotfelix • • •Reading up on RDP as it's something I do not utilize, I wondered just how encumbered RDP is compared to Spice and VNC. Wonder how third-party server and clients are handling the patent-encumbered protocol.
Do third parties implement an older standard of the RDP protocol that isn't as encumbered?
Remote Desktop Protocol Licensing Available for RDP 8
MicrosoftSecurityandComplianceTeam (TECHCOMMUNITY.MICROSOFT.COM)ganymede
in reply to jrgd • • •there it is. (good info to dig up, shame we had to scroll so far in the thread to find these actual proper, highly relevant details).
well, everyone has to pick their battles, and perhaps RHEL just couldn't fight this one out.
but imo i'd much rather see VNC get some upgrades under RHEL than continue the ever increasing microsoft-ization of linux
Remote Desktop Protocol Licensing Available for RDP 8
MicrosoftSecurityandComplianceTeam (TECHCOMMUNITY.MICROSOFT.COM)Nanook
in reply to jrgd • •