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EvolLove

The worst part is that AI can probably produce some melodies that are almost ok. Pair that up with mediocre singers with automatic pitch and put more effort into the technology and sound technique than the actual talent and we will get mediocre music that almost sounds like a hit.

The risk is that real musicians might get drowned out in a river full of mass produced garbage.

Anyone with money can produce a pop star now.

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@DrFell @ned @Humpleupagus
We still have music school. Young students are learning to play instruments and how to sing and they learn from real musicians and they practice on folk music and blues and rock and pop.

And there are classical schools too and people still sing in the churches.

I don't think people will forget about music soon. And when there is real music people will recognize it.

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15 Year Old Emma Kok Sings Voilà – André Rieu, Maastricht 2023 (official video)

André Rieu together with the 15-year-old Emma Kok, performing Voilà live on Vrijthof square in Maastricht. For tour dates visit: http://www.andrerieu.com Introduction Text: 00:00 Song: 01:54 Applause:
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@nanook @Humpleupagus @DrFell @ned

This is an interesting topic. How will the modern technique affect the music industry?

Perhaps it can be helpful for individuals who can not afford a monster production? Put them on more equal footing with big music?

Or is it so that the ones who pay the most to spotify gets to trend? I forgot how it werks these days.

I don't even have Spotify. I tried it when it was "free" and I didn't like it, got bored in a day.

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Sir Nedwood

@DrFell @Humpleupagus @EvolLove it's a bridge on a guitar that balances the tension on each string individually such that it's always in tune no matter what. Vibrato no longer works. If you bend a string slightly the bridge saddle moves with it and the note stays the same pitch. Metal rythym guitarists use it a lot so they can thrash around on stage without sounding like ass.
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Nanook

@EvolLove @🐘🐘 Humpleupagus 🐘🐘 @DrFell (Disgruntled Citizen)✅️ @Sir Nedwood @MummaBear 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁥󠁮󠁧󠁿 ( Dame) I think it remains to be seen. I have pretty broad tastes in music ranging from classical to modern pop and country, jazz, old style blues, don't really like what is passing for blues now, pretty much everything but rap and modern r&b, which is in my opinion almost rap, you've got some music but lyrics are still spoken rather than sang, so I'm fairly open to some new things but I suspect AI will be better at making something popular than making it good, just because popular is something measurable and a computer can tweak for the best measurements and learn from that but good is subjective, something a non-conscious entity is not capable of.
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Nanook

@DrFell (Disgruntled Citizen)✅️ @🐘🐘 Humpleupagus 🐘🐘 @Sir Nedwood @EvolLove @MummaBear 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁥󠁮󠁧󠁿 ( Dame) It does not have to though. You really end up with two issues with digital, 1) not high enough sample rates, and 2) lossy compression. I have a DVD of a puffy ami tour that was recorded at 96kb instead of the usual 44khz and it is clean as can be. The issue with CD 44khz sampling is that it results in beat notes between half the sample rate and high frequency content, this is why they roll everything off after 15Khz even though the Shannon limit says you can encode anything up to have the sampling rate of 22Khz. And no in spite of what people say super sampling does not fix this. Thus a 15Khz sine wave is impossible to reproduce without also getting some 7Khz beat content. This makes the highs sound more like white noise, unclear and imprecise. If you go to 96Khz, no audio content is going to produce an audible beat note with half the sampling rate so this form of distortion is entirely eliminated. Early on, the choice of 44Khz was a function of limited space on a CD (about 700MB) and a desire not to use lossy compression. Now modern media makes this not really a consideration. The other issue is lossy compression, mp3 encoding early on was absolutely horrid, it is better today but if I'm going to use lossy I find ogg-vorbis far less objectionable. The high pitched guitar bit at the beginning of the Beatles Here Comes The Sun really reveals this flaw in mp3 encoding, with mp3, the fundamental is for some reason suppressed relative to the harmonics making it sound hollow and weird, but this does not happen with ogg. Also, mp3 tend to consider reverb an unessential component and so you tend to lose the acoustic environment, especially at low bit rates. Again, I do not notice this so much with ogg.
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Nanook

@🐘🐘 Humpleupagus 🐘🐘 @DrFell (Disgruntled Citizen)✅️ @Sir Nedwood @MummaBear 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁥󠁮󠁧󠁿 ( Dame) @EvolLove I don't see any of it as cheating, it's all a matter of what sounds you are trying to create. And in some contexts some of those things are necessary, for example, broadcast AM and FM do not have the S/N ratio to accommodate the full dynamic range of some live performances, so they HAVE to compress to keep the music sufficiently above the noise floor to be aesthetically okay and at the same time prevent the peaks from over modulating their transmitters, in studio booth recordings where there is no natural reverb, if you don't add reverb the recording would sound totally dead so you need to create some acoustic environment even if it is totally artificial. Sometimes high-gain amps are to bring up small signals other times they are intentionally over-driven to create distortion as in guitar amps and pedals, I can't imagine Bush for example without them or Kings of Leon, and I think both use the intense clipping of the guitar to good effect.
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Nanook

@DrFell (Disgruntled Citizen)✅️ @🐘🐘 Humpleupagus 🐘🐘 @Sir Nedwood @EvolLove @MummaBear 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁥󠁮󠁧󠁿 ( Dame) Only problem is that, even amongst engineers there is a great deal of disagreement with regards to what constitutes "good". There is a local recording studio, and sorry I don't know the name but Nirvana and Foo Fighters recorded there, and rather than booth recordings and mix-downs they have a large brick walled room, high ceiling, and they put the band in there, mike everything up and record, and personally I like the sound they produce that way a lot better than the put everything in a booth and mix it down approach of say The Record Plant. I worked at a studio in Seattle many years ago that did have a couple of small booths but mostly recorded in one large room though they did not have the hard acoustics the shoreline studio did, they had sound dampening and would add reverb. Different approaches. But I think the former produces a sound that is like what you're going to hear live, and if I go see a band live and it sucks compared to the recording I will be massively disappointed. Fortunately I rarely encounter that.
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Nanook

@DrFell (Disgruntled Citizen)✅️ @🐘🐘 Humpleupagus 🐘🐘 @Sir Nedwood @MummaBear 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁥󠁮󠁧󠁿 ( Dame) @EvolLove Different people and their animals have different degrees of talent. And yea it's a genre that is just a novelty not serious music but I collect a lot of novelty music. Something to turn to when the world feels too serious.
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EvolLove

@nanook @Humpleupagus @DrFell
I know. I didn't mean to say that there was any sampling rates in an lp. But the discussion about the hertz came not long after CD became the new standard.

And then again when we started to save music files on computers and on USB stick.

This has been a re-occurring thing over the last decades. And it started when we went from LP to CD. That is when we went digital.

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Nanook

@EvolLove @🐘🐘 Humpleupagus 🐘🐘 @DrFell (Disgruntled Citizen)✅️ @MummaBear 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁥󠁮󠁧󠁿 ( Dame) Yes, I am explaining WHY the discussion happened after CD became standard, because before that there was no sampling rate, this only happened after CD's, the first digital format, became standard.
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EvolLove

@nanook @Humpleupagus @DrFell
No one in the in the history of mankind ever referred to HZ in an LP.

We are talking about digital sound here.

Anecdotal and not related. I used to cut audio tape with scissors or scalpel and tape it up again. Because that is how I edited sound in mid 80s. For no good reason other than being bored.

And I remember the DAT player from when it was the new thing. It was fast implemented among journalists. Small and reliable.

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EvolLove

@nanook @Humpleupagus @DrFell

I have no idea when it started. I just remember that ever since the CD it have been a re occurring topic. Perhaps it was only among musicians?

Some even went back to LP again. Perhaps it was more about pr than sound quality. Something to make U stand out.

When they get a demo on LP with cover and all. And fan service.

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It did. But I think I only heard and used the first gen. My life took another direction and the next thing I knew it was all CD and then even the CD was outdated.

Well I guess it has become a lot more convenient. I no longer aspire to do anything professional with sound. But I bought a small thing that I can just plug into the USB and it split to different mics and knobs. Easy to use. Very sheep.

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Nanook

@MummaBear 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁥󠁮󠁧󠁿 ( Dame) @🐘🐘 Humpleupagus 🐘🐘 @DrFell (Disgruntled Citizen)✅️ @EvolLove We're talking about something entirely different, you're talking about the musical pitch standard, currently A is 440Hz, earlier in history it was 432Hz. We're talking about the sample rate used to encode analog music into digital format.
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EvolLove

I think it is pretty safe to say that very few are mistaking contrails for chemtrails.

Contrails dissolve in minutes.
Chemtrails lasts for hours.

Questioning the moon landing might be far out but it is not crazy. Because it is not impossible.

A few people think that the earth is flat and there are no need to make a mixed a list with all the things that people might think. Because there is no connection between those things.

Unless the goal is to silence everyone who dare ask questions.

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EvolLove

@nanook @Humpleupagus @DrFell

A conspiracy does not have to mean that it is done for some evil purpose. Normal meetings can be specified as such.

It's a known conspiracy theory. Might be true might be false. I have no stake in this so I am fine with it either way.

I just find it interesting. Would I be able to hear the difference?

Is there a difference in quality?

What did we lose what did we gain when we changed it?

Perhaps Ill just ask some professional audio engineer. 😀

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Nanook

@EvolLove @🐘🐘 Humpleupagus 🐘🐘 @DrFell (Disgruntled Citizen)✅️ @MummaBear 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁥󠁮󠁧󠁿 ( Dame) Here is a fun bullshit conspiracy theory on the subject: sensoryland.com/blog1/440hz-vs… You'll note on the end he attributes the effect on people to being that 432 HZ resonates with the Schumann Resonance of 8Hz, never mind that the Schumann resonance is an electromagnetic phenomena having to do with the time it takes an electromagnetic wave to circumnavigate the Earth and thus be in phase with itself and reinforcing when it comes all the way around and NOT an accoustic phenomena, but this detail aside, 432Hz and 440Hz are BOTH even multiples of the Schumann resonance, and thus both harmonics of it, so even if that were a factor it would apply equally to both.
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Nanook

@MummaBear 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁥󠁮󠁧󠁿 ( Dame) @🐘🐘 Humpleupagus 🐘🐘 @DrFell (Disgruntled Citizen)✅️ @EvolLove 16bit 96Khz sampling generates 11.79mb/minute/channel, or about 23mb/minute for stereo. Thus on a 4.7GB DVD you could fit 199 minutes of audio, on a 1TB thumb drive about 200x that, I don't see that as prohibitively expensive.
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