Global Climate Change is Accelerating


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Nanook

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It's not. If you look over a long enough time period, it's been much hotter in the past with CO2 levels much lower. And we've also had CO2 levels 10x what they are today without the so called runaway-greenhouse happening. This is a scam for transferring wealth and power and nothing more. The people who promote this scam consider you a worthless eater not worthy of existence. They put out this propaganda while flying their private jets to meet their co-conspirators in Davos to plan the next round.
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See also this not-so-new article summarizing a meta-study (which is directly linked and freely available) that should have put to rest all the silly ignorant flailing by sticks-in-the-mud denialists:

news.climate.columbia.edu/2023…

Even with the obviously necessary massive error bars, the correspondence between CO₂ levels and average temperatures is stunningly obvious in the primary take-away graph.

in reply to Tom Grzybow

We have already almost doubled historic levels!

earth.org/data_visualization/a…

I know you don't want to worry, but think about why so many smart people are worried.

in reply to Tom Grzybow

@Tom Grzybow If you win Tom, and we tax carbon to death, rely on unreliable power sources, then what will happen is the economic overhead needed for progress will not exist. We will not develop hydrogen fusion, we will not develop molten salt reactors, and we will die out as a species. This is perhaps your desire, I know Klaus and Gates both desire it, but it's not mine. I would rather see a robust economy in which humans aren't freezing to death, and let's be clear here at present 10x as many people die of cold as they do of heat, which everyone can have adequate nutrition and in which everyone is free to live as they wish. I do not want North Korea for the world.
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Interesting about the Ordovician, but it's not certain that the CO2 levels were that high. It's also speculated that the heating then generated a deep and thick layer of clouds, which then led to a cooling... But again we are talking about processes over millions of years. You refuse to consider that it is the rate of change which is most important.

newscientist.com/article/dn186…

We need to rein-in our release of CO2, simple as that.

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I would rather see a robust economy in which humans aren’t freezing to death, and let’s be clear here at present 10x as many people die of cold as they do of heat

The future will change that. And many more will die of hunger. And we cannot simply move our agriculture north - the soils of the taiga are remarkably poor. But it will be the rate of change which does us in - massive change in the span of less than 10 decades. Already people are losing their homes along the seacoast...

in reply to Tom Grzybow

@Nanook I see you're continuing to ignore even the facts I put in front of you. Your story about pre-history does not seem to match those facts.

As for even further back, i.e. "500 million years ago", well you've clearly not kept up with the current science, as per Tom's demonstration.

Meanwhile it is becoming clearer and clearer that rapid changes in CO₂ levels will change the climate too fast for plants and animals to migrate and evolve and survive, even when "fast" is considered on geological timescales, never mind the abrupt changes we humans are causing. We simply don't know where the tipping points are for these problems within the current conditions on Earth, so even threatening to continue as-is is a risk beyond insane.

Your apparent claim that the continuing use of fossil fuels will somehow cause us to succeed faster on fusion and better fission reactors is so blindingly backwards I can't even begin to figure out where to start. In fact it is clearly stated by all of those working on such technology that one of their primary motivations for doing so is to be able to replace fossil fuel use! Indeed Bill Gates is one of the large investors supporting nuclear reactor technology development.

Conflating deaths from the cold with having any part of the problem is gas-lighting.

BTW, who is this Klaus? I assume by "Gates" you mean Bill Gates?