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<<Can Europe Build Its Own Atomic Arsenal?>>

Sure it can. But the question is, can it do that powering the enrichment and reprocessing infrastructure with windmills while making sure a sea turtle doesn poke it's eye out with a plastic straw? 🤔

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Can Europe Build Its Own Atomic Arsenal

Following the Russian invasion of Ukraine and the on-and-off Russian nuclear threats, scholars have been analyzing Europe's defense capabilities against Moscow's huge nuclear warhead fleet.
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Nanook

@pat The question wasn't, "Can European Union Build It's Own Atomic Arsenal", it was, "Can Europe Build Its Own Atomic Arsenal", and the question of delivery systems also wasn't there either, though I would argue it's easier to develop a delivery system than the weapons themselves, the massive conventional missile response from Iran demonstrates that.
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Nanook

@pat There are enough nukes that would lead to at the very least the entire collapse of civilization. Keep in mind the average H-bomb is between 100kt and 10mt though over 50mt bombs have been exploded. This makes Hiroshima and Nagasaki look like a fire cracker, and the Russians have 5000 or so, not sure what our current count is, and it's hard to say how accurate either is, but suffice it to say it would not be good for humanity. There is the nuclear winter theory, it's hard to know exactly how much dust would be churned into the upper atmosphere for how long, there is just how large of an area would be rendered uninhabitable after the explosion of all arsenals. These are all things that speculating on in detail is somewhat fruitless and there are some scientific experiments that are better left untried.
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Caleb James DeLisle

I'm not convinced. The earth is massive, there are a lot of people living in mountains who will never really be affected by anything. They're going to keep reproducing and keep teaching their kids how to read and write. What's really at risk is long and complex supply chains - especially those which depend on esoteric knowledge, like chip fabs. That said, there's a pretty good chance of those surviving as well, because while it is esoteric, it's also going to be the second thing every remaining country thinks of, after "food, water, shelter"...
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pat

@cjd @nanook yeah, I mean it sure wouldn't be easy and average lifespan would go down to like 20, maybe 30 years, but we'll definitely recover eventually. And considering that practicality every human society in recorded history developed some form of written language within like 1000 years sinc domestication of plants and animals became a thing, I'm not very concerned there with.
We are way more resilient bunch than most of us realize.
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pat

@cjd @nanook oh absolutely. The high-trust city folk will be wiped out, that's fosho. After all, when you hit the big red button you target the population centers. Seems kinda obvious.
I'll prolly be relatively good, at least for a while. Have a chunk of strategically insignificant land in the shithole of the Philippines. Even made friends with the local tribesmen and their shaman. We can start repopulating right there lol
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Nanook

@pat @Caleb James DeLisle In another half billion years our Sun will have expanded to the point where it boils all the oceans off and fries any remaining life. So my take is we had better develop interplanetary and even intersolar ability soon or assuming somehow we don't kill ourselves off sooner surely we and all other life here will disappear then. It's a bit depressing to me that we haven't discovered intelligent life elsewhere because I'm not sure it exists here.
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Nanook

@pat Based upon present day genetic variety, and I know visually it appears there is a lot but really it's very little for a species of our complexity, it is estimated that between 900,000 to 800,000 years ago there were fewer than 1000 individuals world-wide and that condition persisted for 100,000 years, so yea we "survived" but by a hair, and now are genetic diversity is reduced to the point where our ability survive something of similar severity would be doubtful.
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