in reply to poVoq

The constituent assembly, the bourgeois institution the workers had already abandoned in favor of the soviet government? Why would anyone hold legitimacy to that? The workers rallied around the bolsheviks, and the SRs backed the overthrow of the state and following the soviets anyways. The bolsheviks had their power from mass support, and because the other groups rallied around them, rather than the SRs, whites, etc.
in reply to poVoq

No? It was the truth. The majority of the faction vote supported overthrowing the constituent assembly and only recognizing the soviet government, which was by that time the government recognized by the working classes. That means that the total of the SRs, Mensheviks, and Bolsheviks voted in outweighed the votes the Right SRs and other factions, and thus support for overthrowing the constituent assembly in favor of the soviets was popular.

Shortly after, the Left SRs and Bolsheviks formed a coalition, and won against the Right SRs among the peasantry, effectively a vote to support the soviet government. After the overthrow of the Tsar, the workers threw the broad majority of their support behind the bolsheviks, with most Left SRs and Mensheviks joining the bolsheviks and the rights split between the whites and the bolsheviks.

I really don't know what you're trying to get at, here, do you think the Kerensky government was popular?

in reply to Cowbee [he/they]

Yes, the "truth" as written by Soviet historians afterwards 🙄

The Bolshevik were deeply unpopular and could not claim at all to represent the working class. They only got into power through political maneuvering and outright violence. Maybe at the time they were seen as the lesser evil, but that sure turned out to be a big miscalculation after Lenin started to purge his former political allies.

in reply to poVoq

Source: you made it the fuck up, lmao. Repeating Red Scare fearmongering about the "evil commies" and wielding it like a club, regardless of the truth of the matter, is how you operate. You'll go to any lengths to disavow socialism in action.

The bolsheviks were very popular, throughout their existence, to the point that George Orwell's Animal Farm's main critique is the assumption that the Russian working class simply went along with the bolsheviks because they were too stupid to know any better. Liberals and fascists had to invent conspiracy theories of communist mind control in order to explain the popularity of socialism while painting it as the supreme evil.

The bolsheviks were chosen because Marxism is correct, and the bolsheviks represented both the workers and the peasantry. The Mensheviks represented only the petite bourgeoisie, the Left SRs were more popular among the peasantry, and the Right SRs supported the outright bourgeoisie. The bolsheviks, on the other hand, were able to unite the workers and peasants soviets and won the Russian Civil War, creating the world's first socialist state, which managed to:

  1. Double life expectancy
  2. Implement genuine socialist democracy via the soviet model
  3. Tripled literacy rates to full literacy
  4. Lowered working hours while raising wages and vacation days
  5. Went from a semi-feudal backwater to space in half a century
  6. Implemented free and high quality healthcare and education for all
  7. Modernized housing and nearly eliminated homelessness
  8. Dramatically expanded on women's rights
  9. Defeated the Nazis
  10. And much, much more.

The bolsheviks weren't a "lesser evil," they were immensely popular, to the point that today the vast majority of those still alive that lived in the USSR want it back.

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Deceptichum

Sounds like you need to work on improving your local community.

Where I am in Melbourne, we're a large and diverse group of people, there are constant events and community acitivities, a large co-op garden is just down the hill from me, at the park nearby there's frequently food trucks helping the poor/homeless.

It's not perfect, but give me more of that over Albanese and his genocidal enabling, Trump buddy-ness any day. I'd rather see my taxes/work go towards building this up than subsiding a mining company.

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in reply to Nanook

Armed conflict is happening all over the world, mostly perpetuated by states. People in the communities I listed, generally live happy peaceful lives, it's not everyday is a literal battle-zone.

It would be great if the human race could move beyond it, and that's why I agitate for anarchism as a means of us achieving that.

We waste resources because there are people who are antagonistic to self-governance, they think they have an authority to control people. Self-defence is a necessity until they are defeated.

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