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Sanctus
in reply to Deceptichum • • •JillyB
in reply to Sanctus • • •Cowbee [he/they]
in reply to JillyB • • •poVoq
in reply to Cowbee [he/they] • • •Results of the 1917 Russian Constituent Assembly election - Wikipedia
Contributors to Wikimedia projects (Wikimedia Foundation, Inc.)Cowbee [he/they]
in reply to poVoq • • •poVoq
in reply to Cowbee [he/they] • • •Deceptichum
in reply to poVoq • • •Cowbee [he/they]
in reply to poVoq • • •No? It was the truth. The majority of the faction vote supported overthrowing the constituent assembly and only recognizing the soviet government, which was by that time the government recognized by the working classes. That means that the total of the SRs, Mensheviks, and Bolsheviks voted in outweighed the votes the Right SRs and other factions, and thus support for overthrowing the constituent assembly in favor of the soviets was popular.
Shortly after, the Left SRs and Bolsheviks formed a coalition, and won against the Right SRs among the peasantry, effectively a vote to support the soviet government. After the overthrow of the Tsar, the workers threw the broad majority of their support behind the bolsheviks, with most Left SRs and Mensheviks joining the bolsheviks and the rights split between the whites and the bolsheviks.
I really don't know what you're trying to get at, here, do you think the Kerensky government was popular?
poVoq
in reply to Cowbee [he/they] • • •Yes, the "truth" as written by Soviet historians afterwards 🙄
The Bolshevik were deeply unpopular and could not claim at all to represent the working class. They only got into power through political maneuvering and outright violence. Maybe at the time they were seen as the lesser evil, but that sure turned out to be a big miscalculation after Lenin started to purge his former political allies.
Cowbee [he/they]
in reply to poVoq • • •Source: you made it the fuck up, lmao. Repeating Red Scare fearmongering about the "evil commies" and wielding it like a club, regardless of the truth of the matter, is how you operate. You'll go to any lengths to disavow socialism in action.
The bolsheviks were very popular, throughout their existence, to the point that George Orwell's Animal Farm's main critique is the assumption that the Russian working class simply went along with the bolsheviks because they were too stupid to know any better. Liberals and fascists had to invent conspiracy theories of communist mind control in order to explain the popularity of socialism while painting it as the supreme evil.
The bolsheviks were chosen because Marxism is correct, and the bolsheviks represented both the workers and the peasantry. The Mensheviks represented only the petite bourgeoisie, the Left SRs were more popular among the peasantry, and the Right SRs supported the outright bourgeoisie. The bolsheviks, on the other hand, were able to unite the workers and peasants soviets and won the Russian Civil War, creating the world's first socialist state, which managed to:
The bolsheviks weren't a "lesser evil," they were immensely popular, to the point that today the vast majority of those still alive that lived in the USSR want it back.
Communist Nostalgia As The Reality Of Bourgeois Democracy Hits Home In Eastern Europe
Richie Brown (Medium)poVoq
in reply to Cowbee [he/they] • • •Cowbee [he/they]
in reply to poVoq • • •cassandrafatigue
in reply to Deceptichum • • •The whole point is that truth=group acceptance.
I swear to fuck nothing has set back Marxism as much as the ussr
poVoq
in reply to cassandrafatigue • • •LibertyLizard
in reply to poVoq • • •cassandrafatigue
in reply to poVoq • • •bigkahuna1986
in reply to poVoq • • •Western "leftists" were responsible for the USSR
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SatansMaggotyCumFart
in reply to Deceptichum • • •Nanook
in reply to Deceptichum • •Deceptichum
in reply to Nanook • • •Cool, so we'll shoot them.
It is not complicated, and we already see it in action today so your 'natural law' theory is bullshit like every other time chuds try to bring it up as an argument.
Nanook
in reply to Deceptichum • •Deceptichum
in reply to Nanook • • •Deceptichum
Unknown parent • • •Sounds like you need to work on improving your local community.
Where I am in Melbourne, we're a large and diverse group of people, there are constant events and community acitivities, a large co-op garden is just down the hill from me, at the park nearby there's frequently food trucks helping the poor/homeless.
It's not perfect, but give me more of that over Albanese and his genocidal enabling, Trump buddy-ness any day. I'd rather see my taxes/work go towards building this up than subsiding a mining company.
Envy
in reply to Deceptichum • • •Nanook
in reply to Deceptichum • •Deceptichum
in reply to Nanook • • •Nanook
in reply to Deceptichum • •Deceptichum
in reply to Nanook • • •The Bolsheviks suck shit.
Of the two I listed, they both still exist and are both still armed and defending themselves.
Nanook
in reply to Deceptichum • •Deceptichum
in reply to Nanook • • •Armed conflict is happening all over the world, mostly perpetuated by states. People in the communities I listed, generally live happy peaceful lives, it's not everyday is a literal battle-zone.
It would be great if the human race could move beyond it, and that's why I agitate for anarchism as a means of us achieving that.
We waste resources because there are people who are antagonistic to self-governance, they think they have an authority to control people. Self-defence is a necessity until they are defeated.
Nanook
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in reply to Nanook • • •punkisundead [they/them]
in reply to Deceptichum • • •“On Authority” Revisited
The Anarchist LibraryDeceptichum
in reply to punkisundead [they/them] • • •May I interest you in a meme?
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lemmyverse.linkNanook
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