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in reply to Nanook

lemmy - Link to source

Viking_Hippie

You're obviously one of Klaus Schwab's brain-washed minion


Alex Jones fanboy and/or antisemitic conspiracy theorist detected 🤦

I don't think billionaires or greenwashing faux-nonprofits like the WEF should exist. And no, Soros isn't paying me to say that 🙄

Sun don't shine at night


Ever heard of energy storage?

wind blows randomly


Nope

hydro is great but only limited opportunities


Which is why you combine it with other sources of renewable energy

and the Indians want to be able to fish unlimited salmon and are blaming the dams for not being able to do that


Nope

so yea, renewables are a problem.


Nope. Disinformation like what you're spreading is the problem.

in reply to Nanook

lemmy - Link to source

Viking_Hippie

You're no fan of authoritarianism


Correct.

yet you want authority over others access to energy and goods


Incorrect.

And you want to deny people access to reliable affordable energy


Literally the opposite of what I'm advocating.

which is necessary to the production of damned near everything.


Fossil fuels? Nope. There's literally no fossil fuel product or process that doesn't have alternatives.

The only reasons why fossil fuels haven't been COMPLETELY phased out DECADES ago are billionaires and their conglomerates bribing politicians and buying media to spread disinformation and useful idiots like yourself helping for free.

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friendica (DFRN) - Link to source

Nanook

@Viking_Hippie Sure there are alternatives but nothing can be put in place overnight and the capacity should be there before you should down fossil fuel plants. Also the only real reliable alternatives that can be scaled are nuclear fission and geo-thermal, and geo-thermal is only available in some geographical regions, although in the US you could build enough capacity in yellow-stone to supply the entire country, the same namby-pambys that are panic'ing over carbon dioxide don't want to risk diminishing the geysers. And most of them are also opposed to nukes.
in reply to Viking_Hippie

friendica (DFRN) - Link to source

Nanook

@Viking_Hippie Yes I've heard of energy storage, there is enough for about five minutes worth of electricity. Every heard of economics? There are only so many areas for pumped hydro and they are mostly tapped out. Lithium ion batteries have a habit of self-immolation and are prohibitively expensive and there isn't enough accessible lithium on the planet to put a dent in the problem. What other brilliant ideas have you to offer?
in reply to Nanook

lemmy - Link to source

Viking_Hippie

there is enough for about five minutes worth of electricity


That's absolute nonsense.

Every heard of economics?


I have, yes. That's part of why I'm arguing for energy production that's cheaper in the short, medium, and long term and doesn't rely on finite resources that have a deleterious effect on humanity.

There are only so many areas for pumped hydro


Pumped hydro? Wait, you're talking about hydrogen powered cars now? 🤦

Lithium ion batteries


Are on the way out as alternatives such as sodium batteries are being researched and improved

What other brilliant ideas have you to offer?


Here's one: shut the fuck up with your nonsense before you embarrass yourself further.

in reply to Nanook

lemmy - Link to source

Viking_Hippie

Total world wide electricity generation is 17,400,000,000,000 watts, total battery energy storage 57,000,000,000, pumped hydro adds another 17,900,000,000 do the math and you can see why storage ain't gonna get us there


Fun fact: the current amount of storage is not the maximum amount possible. You're conflating current capacity with maximum capacity possible, which is idiotic at best and deliberately misleading at worst.

You might as well say that it's impossible for me to ever roller skate anywhere due to not currently owning any skates.

at least not with existing technologies


First of all, that's not true. Second of all, even if it was, that's irrelevant as new and improved technology is constantly being developed in spite of luddites like yourself trying their hardest to make it stop.

The recent outages in Spain and Portugal were the direct result of unreliable renewable energy.


Nope. I ask again: don't you ever get tired of lying all the time?

in reply to Viking_Hippie

friendica (DFRN) - Link to source

Nanook

@Viking_Hippie No I'm not conflating anything, what we have NOW determines how long the grid can tolerate under production and that is about five minutes. But wind might not blow for days, the sun is on average not in the sky 12 hours out of the day and the majority of those hours it is at an angle that makes less than peak production possible. But even if we used every gram of lithium we have we couldn't produce enough storage. There are some alternatives, vanadium flow batteries, but again vanadium is expensive and in short supply, or sodium ion batteries, here we've probably got adequate materials, but sodium has a two step discharge curve that make the electronics more expensive. In short we don't PRESENTLY have enough storage and it is doubtful that we will ever have enough to last overnight.
in reply to Quadhammer

friendica (DFRN) - Link to source

Nanook

 — (Shoreline, WA, USA)
@Quadhammer So far that hasn't proven to be the case. Any nation that has wide spread application of renewable energy also has very high rates. Take Spain for example, approximately 50% of it's energy comes from renewables is 19.9cents / Kwh. Saudi Arabia by contrast, less than 1% of it's energy from renewables, 6.1cents / Kwh, less than one third the cost in Spain AND their grid doesn't collapse on a regular basis when clouds obscure a solar farm or the wind dies down.
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friendica (DFRN) - Link to source

Nanook

@iAvicenna Yea, you have the typical communist mentality, if you don't have enough goods, it's not because there aren't enough goods, it's because they aren't equally distributed.

The Bolsheviks had this mentality. They had a few big land owners farming the land and providing food for the masses. But the Bolsheviks thought everyone should own an equal amount of land, so they took it away from the farmers, divided it up, and gave it to all the plebs.

The end results, the new land owners didn't know how to farm and ten million people starved to death.

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friendica (DFRN) - Link to source

Nanook

@iAvicenna Your accusations of what I know to be facts as being fabrications only points to your own lack of knowledge.

I know, history is scary, if we get too attached to the past we might be tempted to recreate it. The truth is NOT knowing history is what dooms you to recreate it.

Picture yourself on a boat on the ocean, far away from any land. If you don't know where you've been how do you know you're not going around in circles?

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