Kubuntu 25.10 Drops X11 Session for Wayland-Only Install
Kubuntu 25.10 Won’t Include an X11 Session by Default
Kubuntu 25.10 will not ship with an X11 desktop session on its ISO, following Ubuntu's lead. An X11 Plasma session will remain available for manual install.Joey Sneddon (OMG! Ubuntu!)
GolfNovemberUniform
in reply to Tony Bark • • •Semperverus
in reply to GolfNovemberUniform • • •I think that the fantasy of X11 sticking around forever is sweet, but the writing is on the wall.
vrighter
in reply to Semperverus • • •Semperverus
in reply to vrighter • • •Those users can stick with the last version of KDE or GNOME that supports X11. They're insisting on using unmaintained software already, so it shouldn't be much of a leap to do the same with the DE.
It's really not fair to demand that people building your DE for free maintain two vastly different rendering stacks when they clearly don't want to.
vrighter
in reply to Semperverus • • •Semperverus
in reply to vrighter • • •If it's not insisting, it's demanding, which is worse.
There are many tools now that replace X11 behavior. If Wayland doesn't "do what they need", at this point there's a strong chance they have not put in any effort into making it work for them.
For desktop forwarding there's
waypipe.For tablet users, KDE (And probably gnome) have pretty good tablet support at this point.
For artists, KDE JUST got much better color calibration.
For gamers, WINE now has an experimental Wayland-native mode, and barring that we have Gamescope to make it behave semi-native (so this one is more of a future-ish solution that you can use now).
Screen recording mostly just works with
pipewireand almost everything supports it now including Discord.Etc.
Nanook
in reply to Tony Bark • •kuneho
in reply to Tony Bark • • •Thing is, there's no real software KVM (or rather KM) solution for Wayland. Barrier (and the others) works only on X11.
It's a minor thing, but unfortunately major enough for me to be unable to switch to Wayland at all.
Completely dropping X11 sounds a nightmare in my case. I'm not against dropping X11, if Wayland proves to be a better alternative. But not with "holes" like this. :c
mizule
in reply to kuneho • • •Nanook
in reply to mizule • •Linux reshared this.
lambalicious
in reply to Tony Bark • • •On the one hand that means future Kubuntus (for a while) won't have remote desktop, remote UI commands, global hotkeys, nor other such useful features. Or, heck, won't have accessibility. On the other hand, from the progress I've seen KDE are among the better positioned to change that, so who knows. Prepping for a Kubuntu LTS?
~~On the third hand, it's still Ubuntu. The Wayland fixes are probably going to be shipped as snaps for the Pro version.~~
lime!
in reply to lambalicious • • •the problem now is that while kde and gnome do have most of those things on wayland, it's all bespoke. there are no universal wayland remote desktop systems or accessibility pushes, just "the gnome one" and "the kde one".
it's fragmenting the desktop.
UnityDevice
in reply to lime! • • •Unfortunately, that's by design. Mir was the display server that tried to combat that exact problem, and we burned it at the stake.
lambalicious
in reply to UnityDevice • • •Gotta love that about FOSS communities. Every time someone tries to do something interesting, we burn them at the stake. It's a classic of the Mozilla fandom, for example.
Nanook
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