@50501 Shame the Californicators want civil war.

@NocturnalMorning I'm someone who understands nothing is free. Something lost on libtards.

@NocturnalMorning It means people coming from other countries illegally and getting free stuff here, in Seattle luxury hotels, cars, and drivers licenses so they can vote, and unfortunately drive, isn't free, it's paid for by the legitimate citizens who worked for that money and now have to go without things.

@piccolo What makes them fascist? They are enforcing the law. Every country has laws. Non-open borders != fascism. In fact the type of liberal social society that Californicatia wants is EXACTLY what leads to fascism, if you're dependent upon government for everything then they've already got you by the balls.

@50501 If they came here and are living here without going through the proper vetting and going through the process to become a citizen then they are breaking the law. It is the job of ICE to find and return such people to the nation of their origin, or if they continue to break the law by returning illegally after being exported back to their home country, then they go to prison. US Citizens are entitled to due process, this is not true of non-citizens. Even so they are afforded some level of process just perhaps not the level that politicians in libtard states would prefer so they can keep their illegal constituents.

@Feathercrown I live within 13 miles of a sanctuary city, I've seen the economic impacts first hand, no jobs, cities land values falling by 50%, tent cities everywhere, human shit on the sidewalks everywhere, fentynal overdoses everywhere. About the only thing that has benefited economically is that we can get cheep street drugs, oh that and hookers. But since I'm not into either, no benefit for me.

@50501 Context is important, the people are citizens not illegals.

@Maggoty And just think, if the Germans had been successful we wouldn't be dealing with genocide in Palestine today.

@untorquer Ok to be fair mostly commercial real-estate property values dropped 50%, single family homes, nope, but that's because instead of building single family homes, they are bulldozing them to build ugly apartment complexes, and then they wonder why families aren't moving to Seattle and nobodies having kids. You can't raise a kid in an apartment decently, Family Affair was 100% fictional.

@untorquer These jobs aren't available because with the illegals taking the minimum wage jobs, other jobs that would be higher paying are now being taken by the former minimal wage workers at low rates. I've been here for 66 years, I've had the opportunity to see the before and after.

@untorquer Unfortunately you do not understand basic economics. Pay like price is a function of supply and demand, increase the labor supply without increasing demand and pay goes down.

@untorquer@lemmy.Basic economics is a function of reality. If you wish to deny reality it's not going to result in anything good for you and perhaps not for people around you. Wage regulation doesn't work. Seattle is a glowing example of that. They raised their rates to the point where the majority of fast food restaurants folded their operations in town. Many grocery stores also had to close because it just wasn't economically viable to keep doing business there. Many corporations up and left not only the town but the state. Now most of downtown office space is vacant. And they're raising taxes more to pay for what all the free stuff they give to illegals on a shrinking revenue base because everyone legitimate is leaving. I left 45 years ago because I saw the writing on the wall.

@Lumiluz The birth certificate I have in front of me at the moment proves it.

@Lumiluz It's an official state of washington document, it has a document number on it so it will take someone all of about 15 seconds to verify. This is a dumb game, you know it.

@Lumiluz Well it could be except that I've lived in the same area for 66 years so there is an ID trace from birth to current including picture IDs as I've aged, so yea don't think so. But I understand, you are one of those something for nothing typed and figure nobody else could possibly be legitimate, everyone must be on the take like yourself. projection I think is the term.

@untorquer Yes McDonalds survived although $15 for a McDonalds burger seems a bit steep, but many better restaurants did not.

@Lumiluz As I stated I was born 13 miles from where I currently live, it's on my birth certificate, so not terribly concerned. But this is just a straw man on your part anyway, you know that.