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No shit Sherlock!

Europeans say they fear a rising dependence on American energy even with a Jan. 1 deadline to end liquefied natural gas imports from Russia.

American producers now supply about two-thirds of European liquefied natural gas, a share that could rise to as much as 80 percent by the end of the decade.

nytimes.com/2026/07/24/busines…

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Nanook

@Fou I agree it's bad, it's better for you not to have any energy at all, shut down your manufacturing, wait you already did that, well I guess to make fertilizer and run your farm equipment then, or ignore the sanctions which I think are largely garbage anyway, you've already abandoned any commitment to NATO not on paper but just by refusing to contribute, so why not.
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Nanook

@Fou Here is the thing, Europe has LARGE shale deposits, if they were willing to frack, they could be energy dependent there, but ok, global climate change or warming or whatever existential fear mongering fits the season and region, so nuclear, France has it well developed, why not contract with them, or if not France, China, point is Europe has all sorts of avenues towards energy independence, what they lack is political will, but whining won't get them there, and I guess they aren't hungry enough yet.
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Nanook

@Caleb James DeLisle @Fou Yea somehow it has to be our fault, you've got no problem fining our IT billions or at least trying to but when suggesting developing your own energy, yea it's definitely our fault.
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Caleb James DeLisle

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> our fault

If you want to take responsibility for the American Globohomo Imperial Regime - I guess go ahead ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

> you've got no problem

But I sure as hell ain't the EU

> yea it's definitely our fault.

Well the way I see it, you've got a whole bunch of countries all basically punching themselves in the head. And then you've got a handful of countries that seem to be more-or-less looking after their own interests - and For Some Reason those are the exact countries that the goons in DC are all real excited about LiBeRaTiNg. So you'll forgive me for suggesting that PERHAPS all of these insane, dumb, self-defeating policies are actually being demanded by Washington.

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Nanook

@Caleb James DeLisle @Fou I am not happy with my governments interventionism, I am not happy with the EU's attempt to regulate industry outside it's borders, I'm not happy with the world being unwilling to work together towards our mutual survival. You and I can at least agree to disagree, reasonable people are capable of at least that much and maybe some day even find some common ground to build on.
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Nanook

 — (Shoreline, WA, USA)
@Caleb James DeLisle @Fou I have more than just my dick, it's already performed it's function, I have four children. If your only tool is a hammer then all the world's a nail, if your only tool is your dick, then all the worlds a, well, no point in going there. The point is there are tools that are better for the world problems at hand. Won't argue that it would be nice if the world's nations cared about it's citizens, we can only champion that where we are to the best of our abilities, still I would suggest your dick isn't the best tool.
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Fou

@nanook What I want to say isn’t whether or how the EU will become energy-independent (there are ways to do it), but rather the boundless hypocrisy of the West.
They condemn Russia—and rightly so—for the war in Ukraine, but they support nad side with the U.S., which has committed countless more crimes.
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Nanook

@Fou You take agency with respect to our IT, but you do not take agency with respect to your own energy policy, you're happy to enjoy our nuclear umbrella as part of NATO but not willing to fund it, or even let us use your air bases when we, an ally in theory, are in a conflict. The US is increasingly headed towards isolationism and it's this kind of one-sided nonsense pushing us in that direction.
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Fou

@nanook
1. as you said, ally in theory
2. Which of all the conflicts?
The US is always involved in conflicts; the US is constantly seeking out and creating conflicts in order to maintain its global hegemony.
No country attacks the US; the US has attacked dozens of countries.
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Nanook

@Fou I think the idea would be everyone take responsibility for their turf, that is difficult for nations with overlapping historical turf as in Russia / Ukraine because cultures of a once united USSR aren't neatly divided along boarders, where the US/EU are concerned, the EU won't take care of it's own needs, so we will be we need resources to do that, but you don't want to do that, my take is that's fine we can find a market for our natural gas or use it in our own industry and you can fend for yourself, likewise if Russia decides to invade. I don't care to exercise hegemony nor do I care to be the worlds police force and piggy bank. I would like to see a cooperative rather than isolationist world, I can see much promise in such a world, for example, we could build an intercontinental HVDC supergrid that spans Europe, Asia, and Africa, North and South America by crossing the Bering Strait, making renewables actually viable by matching production to consumption across the globe, and as long as we've acquired the right of way might as well add an electrified railway along side, that way no country is starved for warm water ports, rail transport is more efficient than shipping, but that requires a level of cooperation we just seem incapable of getting to.
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Jolly Rancher

It's hard to get that kind of network going in the middle of the current hatefest. I don't think it's entirely organic, I think there are some parties driving it, and benefitting from conflict. (interestingly the Russians just hit a drone and weapons expo west of Kiev the other day, not sure if that counts as love or hate) ...

But, yeah, I have seen a suggestion that HVDC conduits could be made out of metallic sodium, since it is the cheapest conductive material on a per-electron basis. It reacts violently, but of course anything carrying 100,000 volts at 100 amps will be violent if you interrupt it. But all a (suicidal) terrorist would have to do is make a hole in the insulation and the whole line would self destruct.

Ordinary copper conductors are being stolen by thieves .. and I expect the destruction of surveillance cameras to become a sort of national sport in the medium-term future. And train tracks and oil/gas pipelines are being attacked in Ukraine. They don't even have a lot of respect for nuke plants.

So, no, no globe-spanning HVDC networks for you!

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Nanook

@Fou

It's hard to get that kind of network going in the middle of the current hatefest. I don't think it's entirely organic, I think there are some parties driving it, and benefitting from conflict. (interestingly the Russians just hit a drone and weapons expo west of Kiev the other day, not sure if that counts as love or hate) ...

Could not agree more, there are the obvious surface level benefactors, the military intelligence industrial complex, but they've been around forever.. I can't help but think of Klaus Schwab's 2016 speech in which he stated, "You'll own nothing and be happy", I think what he really meant was, "We'll own everything, you'll own nothing, and we'll be happy", but beyond that he outlined a future of basically enforced impoverishment which he seemed to feel were necessary for the planet to survive long term.

I agree with him that our current path, even before all the wars broke out, was / is suicidal as a species but I see much better ways forward that what he envisioned, still I am not completely convinced that those same actors he was speaking for aren't carrying out their agenda towards depopulation and intentional poverty.

With respect to HVDC lines, we are talking voltages upwards of 1.2 megavolts, to distribute electricity globally with even 50% efficiency these are the kinds of voltages required, and generally on towers far higher than thieves are going to climb and if they did they'd be so much human BBQ. The conductors for these lines are generally a steel core with aluminum conductors wrapped around them.

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