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I know who needed to read this 3 years ago but maybe it can help someone else now, it's okay to come out as #transgender, but you can't expect everyone in your life outside of your relatives to keep the same kind of relationship with you after they know. Because even if you're the same person, you're changing the way you present yourself, gender, body and mind, especially if you're on Hormone Replacement Therapy. And it doesn't have anything to do with transphobia if most relationships drastically change or stop altogether because of that fact.

The sad truth is that nobody but you can know yourself deep down, everyone else only knows the person you're presenting. And relationships can very well continue after a coming out, but not necessarily, and there's nothing you or they can do about that.

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My girlfriend once said it (we both are heterosexual), that she wants a (biological) man who is masculine. Similar for me, as I want a (biological) woman who is feminine.

I said it also once very clearly: Heterosexuality are binary-exclusive genders and bodies.

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And there's nothing either of you can do about that. It is not great to say it publicly because it can hurt the people whose opportunity for romantic relationships may already be slimmer due to their identity/sexuality, but it still is a fact.
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No offense towards transsexual people, they just need to understand how heterosexuality works. A heterosexual man is not into a biological man (with XY chromosomes), same with a heterosexual woman, not into a biological woman (XX).

And it does matter what is between the legs for us (heterosexuals) a lot. I'm not talking here about society, that they (trans) are accepted in society, more on a romantic/sexual level. As loose friends they are okay with me (and her, too) as long as they respect our preferences back.

Oh believe me they do understand how heterosexuality works, and they certainly do not need to be regularly reminded of that fact.

If you are confortable in this sexual orientation then you do not have to tell about it publicly. Not sure what even « not respecting your preferences back » would be like in this context.

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I have a friend who started out as male, transitioned to female including anatomical surgery. He now she, ended up marrying a woman. I don't know what to make of that relationship. Are they gay, since they're both now women? or straight since he started out a biological male? I try to be respectful of now her desire to identify as a woman but since he didn't when I first knew him it's still a difficult mental adjustment for me to make and I slip once in a while.
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It would feel weird to me, being with a biological man who identifies as woman and has XY chromosomes and no vulva, vagina, uterus, cervix, et cetera.
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I feel this comment is uncalled for. You have obviously no doubt about your gender and sexuality, and no one asks you to undergo the same invasive surgery if you don't wish so, so why are you still trying?

It is not entirely uncalled on my side. I had 3 different experiences with #transsexual and also #homosexual (2 different, one positive the other negative) people.

The first one was more as a third party. A trusted friend of mine told me about his friend doing one-night stands. He (his friend) was in Singapore and was looking for an #ONS . He found on streets a nice looking lady and they agreed for it so they went to his hotel. She was beautiful on all edges, nice skin (no birthmarks), long black straight hair and so on. Then they talked there a little and got into action. When she undressed her upper cloths and opens her bra, he said it was all perfect, nice round breasts with large nipples (no objectification intended by him) ... until she opened her underwear (means exposing her genitals).

He was so much shocked down to the bones (don't worry, he does fine now) and had to use all his diplomatic words and efforts he could come up with that he has an issue with her genitals, a penis with a testicle sack.

I had a similar issue in my past and will not go to ladies with a TS in their profiles anymore, to say it openly. When we were doing #sixty-nine I know for 110% that transsexuals are not my thing at all.

The next was on #Okcupid where I also found my now-girlfriend. But before her I messaged there with a (I believed) #straight woman (her profile didn't state transsexual) but I also wondered why she looked so #boyish to me. I also sent my now-girlfriend links to her images and she agreed with me that she looks very boyish. So I decided to politely ask if she was a transsexual as she always looked so boyish to me (and to my now-girlfriend). She asked back if that would be a problem with me and I said "Yes, it is." because of what is between her legs (a penis). I didn't say it so directly as I didn't want to offend or insult her.

Just to make my point clear: I'm not only into #heterosexual women because of their sexual identity but more importantly that they are a biological, natural woman.

The last thing then I saw and felt as heterosexual man misunderstood are the videos I already (tried to) showed to you. They (transsexual activists) have really absolutely NO right in telling us (heterosexual) what we have to feel and not to feel and who we date (for romance/sex/LTR/ONS/...) and not date. That's what I have an issue with.

I recant my statement about you having no doubt about your sexuality, which might explain why you are so adamant about it and sensitive about the content of these videos.

My bottom line still is, your sexual preferences are your sexual preferences, and no one else but yourself needs to know about it, especially since they are so exclusionary, because they can be hurtful to simply read.

You will get no medal from me from stating them here for sure.

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My girlfriend knows about my sexual preferences and that is being a heterosexual and biological man I'm into heterosexual and biological women only. Heterosexual men are not into (sucking) dicks when it comes to sexual activities. We don't do that and so with being into biological women (and that they identify as feminine, of course).

I don't suck dick, I lick pussy. And I don't need a medal from you or anyone. Just respect heterosexual men's/women's preferences and we are all good.

The whole "gay pride" thing has always been a mystery to me. It makes sense to be proud of something you've accomplished, but to be proud of something you intrinsically are makes no sense.
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As far as I understand, it is about showing pride of what they are, making (intolerant) people aware of that they are humans, too. That they belong into society, too. It is nothing about shaming straights. Maybe some #LGBTQ+ members have some mild or even harsh heterophobia but those I met gave me mixed feelings.

Many years (over 20 already!) back, I shared a room in a boarding house with a gay. He started finding me attractive as I was very slim (70-60-90, metric system, circumference on chest-waist-butt cheeks). He tried his "best" efforts to make my bed uncomfortable as much as possible and invited me almost daily to join his bed. Then one day (not night!), I was in his bed and he wanted me to relax so he can suck my penis. I felt so very awkward next to him that I had to speak with the educators about it and I had to let them call him off from me, that I'm not gay but heterosexual.

The next gays I met was then here in #Krefeld already and when I went to shopping and saw #vegan activism group I spoke to the group. Later I found out that 3 were gays. They showed all the respect towards me being a heterosexual and we even joked about anal sex. It was really fun with them and I'm thankful to them that none (2 were a couple, 1 was single) of them tried to question my sexuality.

An other more indirect encounter was in #Dortmund where I went to a Psychedelic Trance party called #Nibirii . There I saw a lesbian couple. I was about to approach them and wish them all love and luck in their relationship but I was to shy to do it. Next time, I do it! Let's show respect to reach other and our preferences.

Maybe some #straight men didn't understood the phrase "a man" here, meaning a #penis . I respect her openness to tell that she used to be a man.
Why would you bother an unknown couple to wish them luck?
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Okay, don't wish them all good and love. Fine, don't spread love.
I wish everybody good luck. But the fact you would interrupt their fun for you to show you like "their kind", is weird. It does make them feel weird, quite the opposite of your intentions.
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There are lots of "proud to be X". A local bank even printed stickers with "proud to be from <village>". They made them for every rural village in the area, but people liked them.
This kind of proudness is a way to meet like minded people.
Slipping is fine as long as you correct yourself to presumably female pronouns. But what they are together isn't relevant to you or me. It's their own business and we don't need to guess.
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And maybe, some people want to have children...
I know that's a rocky road, with no guarantee of success, but starting out with a trans blocks it immediately.
You can still adopt, even heterosexual couples do it, so any kind of queer couple doesn't automatically preclude from raising children. It may not be viewed favorably by your local adoption agency though.

Why would you want to date a transsexual only for later on adopting children? It makes no sense, unless you are not fully heterosexual but more bisexual or homosexual.

And have transsexuals ever though of how they have been created or made? By a sexual act involving sperm fertilizing an ovum. Humanity doesn't exist because of we adopt children (from other what then?), humanity exist because we MAKE children and that always requires both, one sperm cell and one ovum.

Sure, for many couples (declining birthrates in "Western" countries) it isn't about having children but they should really consider a brutal and scary, horrifying fact:

Your bloodline that exist for millions of years and through hundred-thousands of generates ends irreversible with YOU!

Personally I don't worry about what works for other people, I worry about what works for me. I've been married, 42 years, to a biological female, I am biological male. We've had and raised 4 children, and for us that works, but not everybody wants children and arguably there are plenty to go around in the world today.
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Some dream-dancers may call you selfish because you love your own (biological) children more than others ... Yes, I met them on street and they wanted to hear 5 reasons why they should make children now. My 6th argument would be the one I said already.
I don't follow the importance you ascribe to bloodline. Windows 3.11 worked for a while, it's served it's purposes, its dead and gone, other things move on, so it is with us.
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But you can reinstall it, if you wish. Not your bloodline, it is dead, period!
Well nature could recreate all the conditions and perhaps somewhere in a universe with 100 billion galaxies each with 100 billion stars, somewhere it has or will. We are spirits with a body, the body is transient and I don't know that it's bloodline is all that important, unless you are inbred royalty.
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But for how long should people wait thousands of years? There is no self-reproduction possible with us human and not even in the foreseeable future.

Plus, I don't date my own family members.

Then your blood line is diluted 50% on average with every generation. So it's being diluted into non-existence anyway.
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Do I have to clarify myself? I don't commit incest. And guess what, my sexual partners I'm making a child with are all from an other bloodline, which is good for variety in DNA.
I didn't suggest that you did, only that that's the only way you maintain a "bloodline", the way that royalty do.

For me, I also enjoy my sexuality for non-reproduction purposes, like pleasuring my partner with #Cunnilingus or being pleasured by her through #Fellatio or whatever we are up to. And there is nothing wrong about that, oral sex is just fine.

I want to enjoy life, too. And it is short. Still I make sure that I have at least one or two descendants with at least one of my partners and I do have one own daughter. 😀

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So you are accusing me of incest falsely. I'm German/European my ex-wife is a #Filipina . How can we be from the same bloodline? My now-girlfriend is an #African, how can we be of same bloodline?
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No, I am saying that since your not your blood line is not maintained, it is diluted 50% every generation, you've got very little of the DNA from the life you descended from some 3-1/2 or 4 billion years ago.
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Ah, okay. I understood it that way. And good you didn't kill that bloodline as you have 4 children (all own biological, I assume?). It is not my business when they (transsexual, homosexual, bisexual and even heterosexual) don't want own children. It becomes mine when they call me selfish wanting own children and accuse me indirectly for the (non-existing here in "Western" countries) population boom. They mention that as a reason, that they don't want to over-populate the world and I should show some decent solidarity by adopting children from poor families. That adopted child is ripped out of its original world and environment and friend-circle and is brought into a complete different world, e.g. when we speak of #African children.
Yes but I think my bloodline dies with my children, only one of them has an interest and his chosen partner has health problems. And by the way I'm an adopted child.
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And maybe from even 10 generations back, no original DNA is left. 10*50% is really less (and I'm aware of that that fact that I share 50% of both mother and father).
You will have mitochondrial DNS ten generations back because that you inherit from your mother only.
Ten was only an example, nothing I would even remotely think about.
We may not see each other eye to eye on much politically, but I do agree with you there.
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What the fuck man, get off your high horse, you are doing no one a favor here.

I don't understand where this natalism comes from but I don't want to have to do anything with it. You want kids, have kids, leave other people be.

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Wouldn't that be a reason to be proud? When your bloodline ends with you, then you are the ultimate product of eons of evolution. All your ancestors where a study to produce you: the ultimate end stadium of evolution.
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I applaud you in advantage! Job well done! You have archived something useful in your short life!
That's me: always finding the sunny side of life ;)
Kids are beautiful. I have been to the birth of my daughter and it was my obligation to cut the umbilical cord.
True, but I don't think about blood lines, when looking at my children. Although seeing them look, or act like my family is special.
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It's different. Some people like external secondary sex characteristics, some people like the whole reproductive process.
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What do you mean by "secondary sex characteristics"? Sure some heterosexual likes only the reproductive process as they find everything else (#Cunnilingus , #Fellatio and anal/vaginal sex for non-reproductive purposes) "dirty" or morally "wrong". I by the way, enjoy my heterosexuality for both sides reproductive and non-reproductive purposes with my girlfriend.
I mean: that what grows during puberty, making you look male or female.
There's more in a hetrosexual relationship than the looks of the body.
The fertility-dimension is part of it, even if you're not planning to have children.
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Ah, in simpler language: The enjoyable sex that is not for reproduction only but for pleasuring your partner? I'm fine with that. I just don't want to be told who I should love or else I'm called *phobic. And hey, seriously, which heterosexual man is into a biological man (trans woman)? And same with a heterosexual woman, which is into a biological woman (trans man)?

Why do you even care if you're happy with your partner? Why do you have to take it so personally?

Please take your weird insecurity about sexuality and reproduction elsewhere, this is the last time I'll ask.

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You got block, ignore, and block author in your options, ain't one
of those sufficient to solve this problem?
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No, that's not a free society where nobody is being judged for their sexual/dating/whatever preferences. Once heterosexuals, and I'm not the only one with this kind of desire, express their desires and preferences we are being called *phobic because we don't respect them.

Let Barf from #Spaceballs speak for me: "It's not us."

My only answer is ask me if I give a shit. Been married 42 years, other people's sexual interests are not my concern.
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Sure thing, respect each other's preferences and desires. No need to call someone *phobic.

@Hypolite Petovan Sorry that you got me wrong. I'm not insecure about my desires. I know for 100% sure what I want from life. And if others don't want to have own children, their business. Still I AM called selfish from them and that I should name 5 reasons to have own children in this world.

Reminds me of watcheing #Idiocracy ...

oh, my insecurity about #sexuality and #reproduction is weird, sure! I don't enforce on people that they should have made children in their lifes. if they don't want, let them die out.
is it weird that I exclusively date in the #heterosexual community and not #transsexual ?
is it weird that I want to lick a woman's #pussy and being sucked by her? and is it weird I want #vaginal penetration sex? maybe even #anal with her but not with gays/trans?
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Me: Of course, characteristic plays a big role when it comes to relationships in general. And a #heterosexual #relationship is never only about the #looks, that would be very shallow. It is also about who you want to have next to you and who you want to have in bed for #lovemaking, when your #sex-drive is high enough.

A friend: I think everyone is allowed to make a decision that suits them but should not judge those who think different from them.

Me: As long as they consider also the #consequences (and I have considered), all fine.

Me: I think people don't want to fear consequences of their actions, e.g. getting depressed and #STD-infected from making #porn (to much without a #condom you can find!) or having no children and nobody will say Dad! or Mom! to them.

Me: At first, you see the looks of a person, the movement and not character traits. nobody is a mind-reader. But it (looks) shall become lesser relevant later on as people grow older and older. Your beautiful girlfriend/wife won't look the same she was when you first met her. Still she is your girlfriend/wife (same with boyfriend/husband).

A friend: Some people were not meant to be parents so if they don't have children then good for them.

A friend (basically): #Chemistry also plays an important role, especially when it comes to online-dating.

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Generally said, what I wish for is that nobody has to come out and respects each other's preferences.