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Michel Patrice
Michel Patrice • diaspora

This picture will make history.

#Picture #Photo #Climate

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David Shelton
David Shelton • diaspora
At first, I was skeptical. It looked AI-generated. But it's real: snopes.com/fact-check/valencia…

Real Photo of Cars Piled Up After Floods in Spain?

A photograph authentically shows a pileup of cars on a road after flash floods hit Valencia, Spain, in October 2024.
Nur Ibrahim (Snopes.com)
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Nanook
Nanook friendica
@David Shelton Floods happened, even pre-industry. Look in the Bible, reference "Noah".
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Michel Patrice
Michel Patrice • diaspora

@Nanook,

Yes, floods happened before. The thing is they are happening more and more often, as well as droughts and storms, more often and more intensely.

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Nanook
Nanook friendica
@Michel Patrice The thing is if you actually take the time to look at the statistics, FLOODS and FIRES and HURRICAINES are neither happening more often NOR with more severity, they are actually down somewhat. What IS happening is more capital damage but this is only because stupid people build condos on the shorelines.
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**joe
**joe • diaspora
I think I could tell it was real because I saw real flood damage in New Orleans after hurricane Katrina. You can almost see the motion of the water in those cars
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Michel Patrice
Michel Patrice • diaspora

@Nanook,

Statistics do show an increase in frequency and severity of floods, fires and storms.

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Nanook
Nanook friendica
@Michel Patrice then you're looking at cooked statistics. I should correct that, you may be looking at very narrow statistics, if you look at 2000-2024, yes there is huge variability in this period, but if you look at 1900-2024, within that time frame there is an overall decrease.
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Shoreline, WA, USA
arnst
arnst • diaspora
@Nanook Would you care to provide a source supporting your claim?
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Nanook
Nanook friendica

@arnst Let's start with an overall graph of deaths due to natural disasters from 1900 to current:

And then fires:

And then Storms:


Unfortunately I was not on the fly able to find flood data going back more than about 20 years but I think this is largely due to the fact that prior to dams, flooding along river basins was a seasonal occurrence. In fact, it is floods that brings silt down stream and makes productive farmland the rich soil that it is.

But with the exception of short term storms, and I really believe this is largely a reporting bias, until recently we didn't have Doppler radar and the link and a day of rain just wasn't worth recording, but with that exception everything else peaked between 1890 and 1930 and has been less than those peaks in current times.

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arnst
arnst • diaspora
Oh, you mean fatalities before ambulances and fire engines, so climate change sure is a hoax. But I’m sorry you have to climb one more time up into the cherry tree.
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Nanook
Nanook friendica
@arnst A hoax no, an emergency no. It's not worth going back to the stone ages over.
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**joe
**joe • diaspora
arnst thinks this picture is a hoax.
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arnst
arnst • diaspora
@**joe No.
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**joe
**joe • diaspora
You are on the side of the corporate planet destroyers. You want more pollution. Do you own stock in the energy industry?
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Nanook
Nanook friendica
@**joe No I don't own stock in the energy industry. I am simply not into cave dwelling. I do realize that fossil fuels are eventually going to run out and if we don't shift to better sources before that happens we'll starve to death. But by the same token, if we stop using them before we have alternatives in place we'll starve to death. Thus the ignore it crowd isn't the right solution, the be a lemming and jump off the cliff isn't the right solution either. And windmills and solar panels aren't the right solution because the power they deliver is to diffuse and intermittent and we don't have enough rare Earth metals to make enough energy this way even if we were willing to dedicate the land. Molten salt breeder reactors are the immediate solution and a longer term solution is fusion, which has been now demonstrated in Wendlestein-7x so it is no longer "in the future", it is now a proven technology.
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arnst
arnst • diaspora
Continuing CO2 emission might mean going back to hunter gatherer societies, since out civilizations weren’t developed for this climate.
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Nanook
Nanook friendica
@arnst Our civilizations won't be significantly affected by 1-2 degrees, here at least the seasonal differences between mid-winter and mid-summer are on the order of 60 degrees.
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arnst
arnst • diaspora
@Nanook I don’t ask where you got "1-2 degrees“ because you failed providing meaningful info before.
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Nanook
Nanook friendica
@arnst If you have anything like honest data, this is as much as it's risen in the last 120 years, and at best we might double CO2 by the end of the century IF we do nothing. CO2 doesn't create a linear increase because it doesn't absorb broadly across the entire spectrum, it absorbs along spectral lines. Those lines are already saturated by the time you get 12-14 feet above the ground. Further increases will somewhat broaden the lines but the majority of the absorption is already in place, so we're not talking huge increases in temperature.
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arnst
arnst • diaspora
@nanook Thanks, but I go by theories that keep being proven by reality while we speak. The tipping points will eventually put it all completely out of our control. Ruthless profiteers will still be ruthless, lying profiteers, but our senses will be that much sharpened!
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Nanook
Nanook friendica
@arnst And the stupidity of people who want to push us back into the cave also sharpens.
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