Kernel cannot follow or not follow any legal rules. Linux Foundation can.

And if regulations become a serious issue and go against the spirit of open-source, it is time to move the Foundation somewhere else.

Comments do drastically differ between .ml and .world. On .ml, you'll see more sympathy towards Russia and China.

But the issue on hand is way bigger than that. It's importance is not in Russia getting sanctioned somewhere else - it's in the destruction of openness and trust in the open-source community, which has far more reaching consequences. What has been done is pretty unprecedented - and dangerous.

And I'm surprised other Linux communities are silent on the matter.

Racists and Xenophobes will try to stop global collaboration,

Yes! Go on...

real conflict that matters will always be the smart vs the lowiq.

Uff... That's some serious brainworms right there. How do you call your worldview? IQ Supremacy?

Linus is an absolute cunt for not only following this gleefully but then attributing pushback to "russian trolls" and "state propaganda" fuck you man.

These people weren't the MIT pricks who inserted vulnerabilities into the kernel, they were contributors who did hard work and helped advance FREE software. Linus is now turning his back on the GPL and manning it clear that Linux can be controlled by the US state on a whim.

Uhh ~~sir~~ Linus, this is a ~~Wendy's~~ Linux kernel.

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Why force your political beliefs on something that has nothing to do with?

he's just an American nationalist at heart. his dad was a member of the Russian communist party and his biography seemed to make clear that rebelled from that.

socially he's not terrible but when the war drums come beating he's stepping in line for the stars and stripes

I haven't made any arguments in this thread, you are putting words in my mouth, and not really helping your credibility. All I said is that the person should defederate Lemmy instances and communities which go against the mission of their instance. Something that almost all instance operators would likely agree on.

Just for the record though, I don't believe people should be kicked out of a project based on their nationality, that seems incredibly xenophobic. I don't know where you got that idea that I said any of those things from.

You're encouraging someone who wants to block "problematic instances" in this case people voicing opposition to that xenophobia, to host lemmy (an open source project where most instances have large linux communities), and taking them seriously on their concern trolling in the first place. It does send a bit of an unusual message.

Anyways I stand by it, that person should fuck off back to reddit.

I'm pretty talkative on certain subjects when I see people mangling the discussion and engaging in bad faith.

This is just softpedaling it and telling people to suspect foul play just because they are Russian honestly. There are some significant sanctions going up against Israeli companies but nobody seems concerned with that.

Misskey forks and Mastodon all have a file drive to manage things, thread watching, one-click access to LibreTranslate without browser extensions (good for libraries and school). Lemmy is really only good for the insane blood bowl of comments sections - and I literally have to use SearxNG lemmy comments plugin to sift through it because federation is so annoying. Though I am being harsh maybe. Eh honestly it's workable if you babysit every aspect of federation but it was never worth it to me. A.gup.pe is pretty much the best way to bridge Lemmy with Mastodon/Misskey/Friendica forks.

Let's be for real though, Mastodon's ecosystem is horrible. They all support mindless aggression against Russia and "Israel's right to exist" where Palestinians used to live side by side even with Zionists. The few people who stand up even for international law, which is based in US oriented institutions, are constantly lambasted, to the point even mild radical liberals like that German "immibis" guy are driven to their own instances.

FediMap shows why. Until server hosting is less concentrated in NATO countries you can expect more heavy handed neoconservative moderation. At least there are cool Brazilians.

Literally just use a Misskey fork, Funkwhale, and Peertube.

This is all hypothetical

Yes, that is exactly my point: let's not get all worked up about something where we have almost zero facts. Although:

open source is beholden to western laws and corporate practices

is definitely the case for the Linux Foundation: it's beholden to US laws. And wake-up call or not, a foundation would always be incorporated somewhere, and beholden to the laws of that somewhere.

socially he’s not terrible but when the war drums come beating he’s stepping in line for the stars and stripes

Like pretty much every Finn would these days, really.

Also from seemingly reasonable commenters there are many arguments around security coming up. I don't get how one can jump to that idea? This obviously has nothing to do with security, it's about sanction compliance. And yes, likely a pretty pointless sanction compliance in this instance, as the sanctioned entities don't have a direct benefit from having an employee name mentioned in the kernel. However that's not how sanctions work, both just because, and also intuitively it makes sense: Sanctions wouldn't be enforcable at scale if every single case would have to be judged on merit - it's hard enough to enforce them as is.

And btw I so hope most of the comments on here are Russian trolls, but I fear many are people that fully drunk the Russian trolls' cool-aid and are now fully brainwashed...

i don't know what exactly was in question in the kernel, that the lawyers had to worry about, but From EAR rules...
"note that open source software can still be subject to export control measures if it includes technologies or functionalities that are regulated. In such cases, specific controls may be applied to prevent the unauthorized export of these technologies or functionalities."

IF something was deemed controlled, it makes sense to pull it so kernel can ship anywhere, and whomever received it can do their own tweaks

That's so cute that you think that anyone who doesn't eat out of the hand of Google News is brainwashed by Putin. You're such a critical thinker. Thank you for weighing in.

Actually the difference between me and people like you is I actually read what Washington and Kiev are saying about the war and have memory longer than a goldfish! Plus, I avoid search engines that have gone under heavy censorship since February 2022 by groups like Alliance to Secure Democracy. I have far more cogent criticism of the Russian government and their media, their central bank, and MOD than anyone like you, or most of the supporters of the SMO. Mainly that they let the west get away with a Nazi coup in Ukraine in 2014 and sat on their hands.

Of course support for the Ukrainians has nothing to do with western propaganda LOL, you have no choice whether America and its sub-imperial partners in Europe, Australia, Japan, and South Korea send supplies and funding to the Ukrainians. It doesn't make any difference whether you buy the propaganda or not. These same thinks tanks that call for a war in Ukraine are now discovering that western industrial capacity cannot be restored and falls far short of doing anything other than delaying Ukraine losing.

The economic shock of the coronavirus pandemic has now rolled into the mass realignment caused by sanctioning Russia. Sanctions place a burden on all countries which are expected to abide by them. Outside of western countries which constitute 14% of the world population, people are ambivalent about the Anti Terrorist Operation Against Donbas Separatists entering year TEN, they only care about the western financial system being turned into a weapon against them.

In fact, even American vassals like Europe and Japan are becoming more cagey about war. It certainly is not inspiring the hardcore faction of the Taiwanese about war with China.

I can't stress how much the western supremacists are off the rails on this one: agreeing with the standard sanctions policy commonly used by the US, of punishing entire civilian populations based on the actions of their government, regardless of how you feel about that government and its actions.

Code is code, the nationality of the person shouldn't be used to exclude them. ppl know how most of us here feel about Israel but I would never even think of excluding an Israeli contributor to any of the projects I work on.

Lemmy needs way better management of uploads than a randomly created URL floating in the void. If you accidentally paste a picture of your face or dick it is just stuck there and you have to beg an admin to help. You don't even have to hit post.

Oh yeah I skipped over the Nazi microblog instances because they are pretty isolated and infighty. It's the full throated imperialists who ban anyone who talks about the genocide like anyone is responsible for it but the Palestinians.

They do actually often use EU laws to back up their censorship. They of course would never consider other hosting options. They are proud of the EU for some reason.

But whatever if that's what people decide "Mastodon" is going to be like there is a lot more to be done with ActivityPub services other than link it to your chosen flavor of microblogging, and it certainly doesn't need to have the sheen of Eugene Rotchko on it haha

That's interesting because I remember reading that in 2022. Meanwhile Zelensky is publicly threatening to deploy "3 secret weapons" which he apparently discussed behind closed doors with western leaders who are responding negatively to this pronouncement (indicating an unwillingness to escalate)

Let's be for real, Russia could tac nuke a non NATO Eastern European country in response to whatever dual use weapons zelensky is talking about with a nuclear payload, and their chief worry would probably be the global backlash, not the threat of strategic nukes

Put down the washing machine memes and listen to the quieter admissions of Ukrainian soldiers. That's how I saw them throwing civilian bodies into a pit, gloating, before editing 30 min later to claim they took it off a Russian phone (despite visible armbands). Morale is breaking down, conscription is failing versus the Russian mercenary and volunteer partial mobilization. There is no political change coming in Moscow.

It's a horrifying prospect unless you just want to maintain access to natural resource and monopoly rents via international corps, offered up by whatever Navalny type they would want to take power.

Medvedev... yeah no way but it would be funny.

Allegiance is another thing. Russian citizens unfortunately are subject to Russian law and the influence of the agencies.

Maintainer is more than a contributer in that it is a position of trust, which is called into question when they and their computer systems are subject to a belligerent governments jurisdiction.