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"I was listening to the news this week when one of the anchors said that we needed to put the 137,000 people dead in four months with covid 19 into context so people can understand.
He said to imagine those 137,000 dead people were airline passengers, all dying from airplane crashes.
Losing 137,000 people in four months would be equivalent to 50 planes a week crashing, for four months, with all on board dying.
50 PLANE CRASHES A WEEK. For four months. All on board, DEAD.
He said if planes were falling out of the sky at a rate of 50 per week, not only would people be horrified, but they would expect something to be done. The government wouldn’t be shrugging their shoulders and acting like it was no big deal.
I thought this was a great way to put it. No one would or could ignore that. No one would call it a hoax. No one would question the “science”. No one would ignore it for four months. People would want answers, and they would be afraid to get on a plane until something was done. People would say "planes are crashing around us and no one is taking it seriously.”
This is 171 people per plane, 50 times a week.
Let that sink in."
in reply to diane
This doesn't hold together. Airplane flights are very different from death statistics. Let's call that number 400,000/year even though it is likely to be much less now that we know how to deal with it. Looking at worldlifeexpectancy.com/world-… this is less than Asthma, Malaria or Breast Cancer. About half that of Suicide and one quarter of Diabetes and Traffic Accidents. Good? No but clearly not the biggest problem going on and clearly nothing to shut down the world economy over.
in reply to diane

@Felipe Lopez None of those other things are contagious. And many of them have very active laws in place to reduce them as much as possible. We ban whole hosts of substances that can cause cancer even though that effects businesses bottom lines. There are all sorts of laws and safety regulations to reduce traffic deaths even though that means people can drive their cars as fast as they want and increases the cost of making a safe car. We banned smoking in public businesses across the country (US) because of Asthma and cancer.

So don't try to say that we don't change how we function, even at the cost of personal convenience and business profits, to protect people's lives.

in reply to Jess Nut
@Jess Nut Of course we change. But we don't economically shut down the whole world because some people catch "the flu". What we do is 1) allow herd immunity take effect and 2) use treatments where necessary that have been proven to work. That doesn't mean send infected people to nursing homes to infect others. As I said in another comment, see a42.com/pg/s/wiki/health/covid… and get a clue.
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@Andrew Pam Give me a break. I agree the numbers are way off but way too high. Covid-19 is a synonym for "maybe some lung problem was part of the reason someone died. Don't believe it? Compare recent flu numbers to what they were last year. Close to zero now.
And then there is the fact that a cure has existed all along -- HCQ -- but Bill Gates and Dr. Fauchi don't like it because it would cost them billions. Finally, I know of no hospitals that have been overwhelmed. The two hospital ships that Trump sent to New York and somewhere on the west coast treated close to zero patients. And hospitals have been closing. a42.com/pg/s/wiki/health/covid… offers some clues.
in reply to diane

..that's similar to how NYC was looking for a while...cooling trailer loads of dead - not enough room in either funeral places or morgues in various hospitals.

In Riverside, Queens, far too many arrived DOA...

Oh, and if the dead or dying have the Covid-19 antibody...guess what, that means they died of Covid-19

...it's a marker.

in reply to Violante de Rojas
@Violante de Rojas Please. If the dead or dying have the covid-19 antibody it means they had been exposed to covid-19. That's all. For example, there was a person listed as a covid-19 death in Florida because he had covid-19 antibodies. No matter that he died in a motorcycle accident.
in reply to diane

@Felipe Lopez If complications of having Covid caused him to lose control of the bike and then crash it is still valid. If I have Cancer but I die from a heart attack caused by chemotherapy, Cancer is still listed as being related to my death. If he had a heart attack and crashed his motorcycle then heart attack would be his cause of death.

And even if it isn't true, one idiot ticking the wrong box on a form doesn't mean there's a not local, not statewide, not countrywide, but globalwide conspiracy between multiple agencies and governments (many of who are antagonistic to each other) to some how mysteriously all work together to make up a virus and go around murdering people to make it look legit so that they can hurt their own economies.

in reply to Jess Nut
@Jess Nut Here is an important fact related to U.S. covid-19 deaths. Hospitals received a "bonus" for treating covid-19 patients and a bigger bonus if a ventilator was used. Not trivial amounts. I remember it was around $20,000 for a non-ventilator patient and around $30,000 if the ventilator was used. Thus there was a huge incentive for patients to be called covid-19 patients -- no matter what they had.
Or, put another way, there was a huge incentive to check the covid-19 box. I think the numbers of real covid-19 deaths vs. BS is out on a42.com. The current CDC "admission" is that only about 6% of those claimed to be covid-19 deaths really were. A very big difference.
I also pointed out that proper treatment (for example, using HCQ and zinc which is very inexpensive) pretty much eliminates covid-19 deaths if given early enough.
Bottom line: yes, covid-19 exists, it was likely "fabricated", and people can die from it -- just like other kinds of flu -- but, private profit and politics created the big issue.
in reply to debo
@debo I do believe the US statistics -- now that the CDC has admitted the real numbers are 6% of what they originally claimed.
The chart about halfway down the page on a42.com/pg/s/wiki/health/covid… reproduced from a42.com which was a reproduction from somewhere else, helps clarify my HCQ claim on a world level. BTW, I live in Guatemala.
in reply to diane
You "remember" an incentive. Weird I have several friends who work in hospitals and none of them have mentioned any incentives being gotten for people on ventilators. The only time they mention the ventilators is to say they don't have enough to treat all the patients. And my friends who got Covid and tried to go to the hospital for help and were turned away because they weren't sick enough and didn't arrive by ambulance doesn't seem to agree that there's a bonus for putting anyone and everyone on ventilators. But I'll be happy to review your source for that tidbit myself.
in reply to diane
Regarding the two navy hospital ships: They were never allowed to take covid patients, because they were not equipped for that. Their task was to reduce the burden of local hospitals by taking their "regular" patients. That hadn't been communicated very well in the beginning.
in reply to diane

And because of COVID, any patient they would take had to be quarantined for 14 days before they were brought aboard which meant that by the time their quarantine was done, the ship had left.

The whole thing was a complete wasted effort. Of course, the ship also went to Puerto Rico after the hurricane. And they didn’t bring on patients. And OF COURSE, Trump bragged about sending the ship in and then claiming that New York
“refused to send patients”, a patent, bald-faced lie.

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