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friendica (DFRN) - Link to source
No, have other things that I shill for, please don't under estimate my shillingocity. Women's Rights to choose. Keeping the government from making choices for people. Solar Energy and Electric Vehicles, Science Fiction, Computers and the list goes on.
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@BR 549 ☎ I'm thinking that this chart is incorrect. I went to the Johns Hopkins University site and Israel is dropping and otherwise kind of looks like other places. Go to coronavirus.jhu.edu/map.html and select Israel to verify me.
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friendica (DFRN) - Link to source
Oddly, the majority of people who have died are people who haven't been vaccinated. Now if you can prove or demonstrate that the virus is actually human created and if you can, in addition, prove which group of people actually created the virus, I would give you some attention. But you haven't/can't.
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friendica (DFRN) - Link to source
I didn't say it was natural, I said we don't know. I was trying to figure out if you were calling me a corporate shill when you said "I know these corporate butt fucks would send shills to the Fediverse, but at least you can't shut us up here." I'm happy that you have a place to talk. btw, you still didn't provide any documentation. You know, the scientists could be dead wrong and you could be dead right, but they have documentation to back up their theory and you never provide any. What they are doing is a process. I think the CDC, FDA, NIH, etc are too slow myself and too much of a bureaucracy, but I think they are honest bureaucrats
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friendica (DFRN) - Link to source
Um, I don't think you have any documentation for mass deaths because of the Covid 19 Vaccines. On the other hand, there is plenty of documentation for Millions of deaths due to Covid 19. If you want to commit suicide by not taking the vaccine, I'm perfectly Okay with it, personal choice and all. And yes any of us who have paid attention to the science DO know that you have no idea of the actual origin of the disease, because nobody here knows. I would suggest that you get vaccinated, it's the right thing to do.
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friendica (DFRN) - Link to source
I don't think any of that is true, the Shots are still documented to be much better than the disease, the shots have not been show to have any significant down sides in almost all cases and are in line with other vaccines. We still don't know if the disease is of natural origin or created In a Chinese lab. And you don't supply any documentation for any of the information that you've provided above. (cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/…)
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friendica (DFRN) - Link to source
@BR 549 ☎ @Robert Dinse We probably agree that there are agendas that we suspect but don't know about. For instance I wonder if there is a cabal of people behind the republican efforts in the US to limit voting for Democrats and Minorities. So many Gun massacres lately, I wonder if there isn't a cabal of people promoting that too.
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friendica (DFRN) - Link to source
@Robert Dinse @Felipe Lopez @BR 549 ☎ Please give links or references to actual articles. swisscows.ch is just a search engine. (by the way, thanks for pointing swisscows.ch out, I'd never heard of them)
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@Robert Dinse @BR 549 ☎
That seems high, most people who recovered didn't even know they had the disease. Do you have a source for that stat? I know that older people (like in their 70's) are more likely to suffer from this on recovery, but what I read says a small number suffer from neurological damage.
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friendica (DFRN) - Link to source
@Robert Dinse Yes, things said by Fauci are what they believe will happen using what they believe at that time. If you are implying that they intentionally are saying things that they (at that time) don't believe to be true, I'd say you are wrong. But as always, data and sources please.
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@Robert Dinse @Felipe Lopez @BR 549 ☎ I'm not sure what you mean then. What do you mean by "complicit with the development of this virus". I have to admit I am just responding to messages that pop up in my email and may not see ever message in this chain of messages. I also know that fauci may have said things that he no longer believes, but "complicit"?? Convince me. Give me data that I can believe.
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friendica (DFRN) - Link to source
@Robert Dinse @BR 549 ☎ The quick search I did didn't specify which country the results were from and it's hard to get good stats, but their estimate was that the recovery rate from Covid 19 was between 97% and 99.75%.
webmd.com/lung/covid-recovery-…
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friendica (DFRN) - Link to source
@Robert Dinse I wouldn't say florida didn't do anything, Most stores require mask wearing and have hand sanitizer and most people are following social distancing (except when they aren't), Restaurants are open, but putting people further apart and sanitizing tables between customers etc. We do have a lot of assholes who don't follow the guidelines, but the rest of us just try to stay away from them.
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@Robert Dinse @BR 549 ☎ I think the strength of Masks is not preventing you from getting Covid19, it's preventing other's (who are wearing masks) from spreading it to you. It's more to prevent their coughs from spewing the virus many feet from their bodies if they cough or sneeze. At least that's what I've heard. Source control In the test in Denmark there were 16% few cases in the mask wearing group but that was non-statistically significant difference for the number of people in the study. I think this is where your Stats came from. Remember what I said about Science. I'll still go with the recommendations of Fauci and the CDC.

webmd.com/lung/news/20201119/h…

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friendica (DFRN) - Link to source
@Robert Dinse I just checked and New York has had about 51K deaths while Florida has had about 34K. Florida has a population of 21M while NY State has a population of about 19.45M. So, I think you should check your facts. Unless you were looking at it differently than I did. I admit I only do quick google searches but I think you are kind of flailing about to make your points.
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@Robert Dinse @BR 549 ☎
The top shareholders of Moderna are Robert S. Langer, Stéphane Bancel, Noubar B. Afeyan, Baillie Gifford & Company, and Flagship Pioneering Inc.

The three largest shareholders of Pfizer, J&J and Merck are Vanguard, SSGA and BlackRock,

I don't see Bill Gates or Microsoft on these lists. Easy to check.

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friendica (DFRN) - Link to source
@BR 549 ☎ The info about Covid being primarily airborne is relatively new I think, like in the past couple of days they've been talking about it. So, you could be right about that. It could be that washing hands is less important. The articles I browsed said "Primarily" and I see that other articles mention the Lancet article. I would still follow the lead of Fauci and the CDC. If the mode of transport is now believed to be Airborne, then they will probably change what they are emphasizing. Sounds like masks are a good idea then.
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friendica (DFRN) - Link to source
@BR 549 ☎ @Felipe Lopez I disagree, if fauci recommends or doesn't recommend something it's based on the best knowledge at that time, So, what Fauci recommended in the past would change based on the best knowledge at the time. That's how Science works. snopes.com/fact-check/fauci-qu…
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friendica (DFRN) - Link to source

@BR 549 ☎ exactly, you are right, they were trying to keep people apart in an imperfect situation, like they didn't have the equipment or enough of it at first. Cruise ships at sea, they didn't want to bring a bunch of infected people to port w/o knowing what to do about them since there were no systems set up to handle them. I remember people freaking out about HIV at first when we didn't totally know what caused it (well sexual relations) and how to treat it.

The best bet currently for Covid is the old standards, Wash Hands, Stay away from people in crowds especially, wear masks when out and about especially in crowds and the new thing... get vaccinated.

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friendica (DFRN) - Link to source
@BR 549 ☎ There really weren't that many total lockdowns, the only ones I remember were in China and maybe Japan (I don't remember). There weren't that many lockdowns in the US, certainly not in Florida. Partials yes, even here in Florida. I mean Florida is famous in the US for having fewer restrictions than other places and we seem to be being rewarded with higher Covid rates. Figure that
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friendica (DFRN) - Link to source
@Robert Dinse Well, I didn't blame it on you nor compare it to New York. I think stupid things were done in New York and in Florida. I usually feel that the stupid things are basically related to ignoring the experts (Fauci and CDC) recommendations. I understand that keeping the economies going are very important too and that a balance needs to be made. Finding the right balance point is the job of our leaders.
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friendica (DFRN) - Link to source
@Robert Dinse On reading your message again, I decided that I"m not sure what you mean. I would normally say, staying away from people (staying at home a lot when possible), wearing a mask when out, washing hands and getting the vaccine when it's available next year was pretty middle of the road. Seems to be working as the rates are generally dropping, and I live in Florida.
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friendica (DFRN) - Link to source
Yeah, people kind of freaked out about aids when it first became a thing too, before people understood it and before there was any treatment. Basically, people didn't know what to do about the new disease so they kind of freaked. Kind of like how people freak out about hurricanes.
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